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What are 'mints' + 'pokeballs' i see mentioned so much on the pills forums?

They have a longer come up than 20 minutes, depends on the press. They're pretty crumbly, some more than others. Sometimes you'll be missing the tops of the pill they're so crumbly. I've only taken mints so I can't really say how they are different than other pills. But they are a damn good time.
 
He means has anyone had any of the mdma before they were pressed into mints
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I guess to answer this you would first have to figure out why a mint is such a clean high.

Many suggest the Salt Type of the mint is where the key may lie.

If you knew the salt type you could theoretically take some MDMA HCL powder. Basify it and then crash it or resolve it as another salt.

This would be a bit of hassle but fairly basic to do. Some basic chemistry knowledge could pull this off quite easily.

If I were to make an educated guess a mint is MDMA Acetate. Thats why the buzz is different.
 
futura2012 said:
Many suggest the Salt Type of the mint is where the key may lie.
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Well.. actually... it's really only you that's ever said any MDMA might be anything other than the HCL. No offense meant, I'm just saying, there isn't enough evidence to make any kind of assumption like that..


I think mints have a different "buzz" simply because they have almost no filler in them. If you've seen pics of them, you would know they're soft, crumbly and break apart in the bags all the time... it just makes sense that a pill like that would come on faster than a pill with the same amount of MDMA, but twice the filler and that's pressed 4 times as hard
 
there isn't enough evidence to make any kind of assumption like that..
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There is no evidence to suggest anything else.

I think mints have a different "buzz" simply because they have almost no filler in them. If you've seen pics of them, you would know they're soft, crumbly and break apart in the bags all the time... it just makes sense that a pill like that would come on faster than a pill with the same amount of MDMA, but twice the filler and that's pressed 4 times as hard
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Nonsense. MDMA powder has zero filler and doesnt come up anywhere close to the speed of a mint.

If you crush em up it still has the same effect.

Try it with your next pill crushed up it makes virtually no difference.

There is some evidence to suggest that certain cuts like lactose might make a difference but the filler and hardness of the press I dont reckon makes much difference.

Time release coatings maybe but not in the clandestine world.
 
Folley said:
it's I think mints have a different "buzz" simply because they have almost no filler in them. If you've seen pics of them, you would know they're soft, crumbly and break apart in the bags all the time... it just makes sense that a pill like that would come on faster than a pill with the same amount of MDMA, but twice the filler and that's pressed 4 times as hard
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Naw folley there is a different roll to them and specific only to them from my experiences. If filler were the culprit then why doesn't straight shard in a capsule give me an identical come-up, roll, and comedown? The whole roll from start to finish is unique.
 
futura2012 said:
There is no evidence to suggest anything else.
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don't confuse absence of proof with proof of absence.

you didn't answer my question about why an educated guess concludes the acetate salt. why not the phosphate? the citrate? the fumarate? the sulphate? the tartrate? the lactate?

alasdair
 
I'm not sure what you mean by "different average MDMA?" The shards that I get are always fantastic and world renowned as the best there is, but just like we've gone over in the '90s thread, it still feels different than what MDMA felt like years ago. Only the Mints have felt the way I remember rolling to be.

I have no idea if anyone has tried "Pre-Mint Molly" or if that information would even be available to the regular consumer in Chicago. Given how many Mints have been pumped out over the last 4 years and most always bringing the heat with every new batch or press, I'd bet the Mint Org. is using every last scrap of their crystal to press. I'm sure somebody in or close to the Org. has had the privilege to roll on the un-pressed shit, but not us commonfolk here.
 
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haha i can see why you didnt want to repeat...theres a solid battle in 90s thread, cheers for the link

so what are the shards, different average MDMA? does anyone get this mint stuff in crystal or 'molly' form?
 
you didn't answer my question about why an educated guess concludes the acetate salt.
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Sorry alasdair I missed your post cause it scrolled onto page two.

Acetate salt is as easy to make as HCL.

Acetate is relatively non Hygroscopic

Acetic Acid is an easy precursor to get

Lots of cooks talk about Acetate on the synth sites

don't confuse absence of proof with proof of absence.
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It could be synth impurity unlikely as the symptom of this is usually a heavy duty high like with the dark brown MDMA. The clean comedown leads me away from this idea.

Isomer is as we all know very unlikely cause of extra hassle and loss.

Other than that I can only assume salt.

GC/MS sais clean MDMA.

Might be a sugar that edata havent reported cause of the silly DEA restriction

Process of illimination really. Of course I dont know for sure im not in the lucky position of being Mr Mint

why not the phosphate? the citrate? the fumarate? the sulphate? the tartrate? the lactate?
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Lot of these mentioned are way too hygroscopic sulphate and citrate.

Tartrate is normally associated with isomer resolution.

Phosphate is a posibility

Lactate and Fumerate possible but slightly more novel acid type and likely more expensive

Again this educated guess is based on a proces of illimination (as best as possible)

Transformer would be a great chime on this if he is around.
 
futura2012 said:
Phosphate is a posibility
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so why not the phosphate?
futura2012 said:
Lactate and Fumerate possible but slightly more novel acid type and likely more expensive
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novel? likely more expensive? given its widespread use in cosmetics, lactic acid can be bought easily (and in some cases more cheaply than hydrochloric acid).

the point i'm making is that this is speculation and that has limited - if any value - here.

alasdair
 
being from chicago, its the only pills ive eaten in the last 4 yrs. Sooooo fuckin clean, Rollin ballz Rollin ballz Rollin ballz---->BAM!! your sober----->sleep like a baby------>wake up feeling so good, hungry with no signs what so ever you even rolled the night before
 
so why not the phosphate?
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The acetates are more spoken of on the synth sites. I have only seen a phosphate in a forensic report.

novel? likely more expensive? given its widespread use in cosmetics, lactic acid can be bought easily (and in some cases more cheaply than hydrochloric acid).
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Novel is a bad choice of word. It is less common than hydrochloric acid. Also I dont know how easy it is to resolve MDMA to this particular salt form I also dont know what hygroscopic properties it may contain. Most of my pointers come from synth forums I like to read up on.

Most synth forum chat is either Hydrochloride or Acetate. (clearly this does not prove factual evidence). I have heard chat of citrates, sulphates, Tartrates, but less talk of and usually attached with some complaint with mush or being less caviliar friendly. The caviliar friendlyness of HCL is a good reason why it is top choice. Acetate closely follows in this regards (or at last what the general chat topic seems to suggest).

the point i'm making is that this is speculation and that has limited - if any value - here.
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I think an alternative salt type is quite likely. I have looked at this in quite a lot of detail and cant see any other obvious possibility.

I do accept the acetate argument is more flakey.

I think there is value to these speculative discussions as things often get highlighted. Being challenged from yourself for example always makes me think this is of value at least to me anyway :) An additional chime from Transformer will inevitabley make me learn something new also.

A little quote from an "alternative" forum about citrates. I can dig a few more out if needed for interests sake. I accept this is a forum and is not factual evidence.

All the salts are hygroscopic, including hydrochlroide. Add a little water and see what a bitch it is to remove.... I'd stick with hcl. I tried citrate on a big batch and it was a mess. By time I got things cleaned up I'd find out that the citrate is not any better, just fat soluble so is suppose to last longer..... Oh and the other real big huge thing is with hcl you can be real cavalier with the workup since any excess is just evaporating off. Not so with citrate, citric acid is a solid and will pollute your final product in a big way if you are not careful with the workup and pay close attention to the pH. With hcl I can add excess to make sure I get every last bit of freebase, with citric you have to add just the right amount or less. Nothing wrong with eating citirc acid but thats not what people want.
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Futura, uncapped molly shows it's first effects in like 20-30 minutes... 45 minutes and I'm beginning to peak and an hour the roll is usually going full force... and I'm almost positive that everything I've taken has been the HCL salt form


So I still think that the mints just comes on very fast just due to the crumbly nature of the pills... not to mention I'm sure the 20 minute come up is a bit of an exaggeration... a pill that dissolved instantly when it hit the stomach would certainly have a faster come up and shorter roll than a pill that released it's dose slowly like the hard presses European pills... those things are rocks!



Also Future man... your inbox is full, delete some messages, eh? :)
 
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