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DeathDomokun

DeathDomokun

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Do you feel like existence is a test?
I don't know what it may be testing, maybe the 'hope' that existence will improve?
If you were dissatisfied, disgusted with life, you wouldn't hold onto it if you thought there would be no rewards (good feelings) to reap in future
If it weren't for the blind faith of improvement, however indirectly it is felt-
Why then, if that were the case, would we need to be tested of our 'worthiness' of contentment?
What is it about there being a 'point to suffering' that drives us to continue suffering?
I guess I probably shouldn't make this thread, because I don't really care about the answers. Fuck, I don't even care about the questions.
When we've got no control over what we care about, our passion(s), what we find meaningful, what we're driven to do...
I mean sure, I can do something in spite of my aversion, but one still needs the desire to push through their aversion.
It's not even an aversion.
I mean how much can the individual claim to when there are things out of their control that influence things more than what they can control?
That's rhetorical I guess, or at least I'm not interested in it.
 
DeathDomokun said:
I guess I probably shouldn't make this thread, because I don't really care about the answers. Fuck, I don't even care about the questions.
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"We feel that even when all possible scientific questions have been answered, the problems of life
remain completely untouched. Of course there are then no questions left, and this itself is the answer.
The solution of the problem of life is seen in the vanishing of the problem."
 
DeathDomokun said:
Do you feel like existence is a test?
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Sometimes. I used to feel that way quite intensely; now, as I have become less pompous, I am coming to accept the interpretation that I am merely God expressing Himself ineffably.

That helps take away all forms of judgment and self-criticism. It is experience I am to experience, growth I intend.

I don't know what it may be testing, maybe the 'hope' that existence will improve?
If you were dissatisfied, disgusted with life, you wouldn't hold onto it if you thought there would be no rewards (good feelings) to reap in future
If it weren't for the blind faith of improvement, however indirectly it is felt-
Why then, if that were the case, would we need to be tested of our 'worthiness' of contentment?
What is it about there being a 'point to suffering' that drives us to continue suffering?
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You sound like you may be depressed.

I do not think attempting to find logic in depression will be successful. It is something experienced in the right brain, not to be understood by the left. It is a self-perpetuating cycle; once you are in it, it feeds upon itself, and takes great wisdom to pull oneself out of. This usually involves "manipulating" the aforementioned right brain.

I also believe it is human nature to submit to a higher power. We are pack animals and while men in particular crave individuality, it is easy, particularly if you are intelligent and logical, to overrate individuality and consider it synonymous with freedom.

Whether you like it or not you will be submitting to something. God, drugs, food, sleep, entertainment, significant other -- all to varying degrees. It is up to you to make the best out of that something.
 
i can relate to these sentiments, deathdomo. however, just as often i feel that the test is the reward. sure, it's fkn hard at times, but that is what develops me, as a human, as an adult and as a man. like at the gym, pain is gain.

i also think that video games have warped me a bit, in real life there are no distinct levelling up or do overs. it's an ongoing process, not an end point. it's the journey, not the destination.

i have just completed a particularly difficult three years, like the hardest thing i have ever done. extremely stressful period, most people ask me how i managed it. as relieved as i am, i miss it.
 
Maybe not necessarily a test, but if you kill yourself, you fail. My belief system incorporates a bit of eastern philosophy, so I also believe that our 'spirits,' if you will, are recycled until we master the set of constraints/tests/trials that are presented to us. Once we master (detachment from) these, we receive an A and are thus invited to enjoy paradise on earth.

"Rule 4- a lesson is repeated until learned"
 
DeathDomokun said:
I'm not quite sure how a test of ones will to live is more pompous than the idea of being an expression of god, but that's cool.



Is there any proof opposed to throw it away?
None that I can see.
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What?

pastelcircus said:
Maybe not necessarily a test, but if you kill yourself, you fail. My belief system incorporates a bit of eastern philosophy, so I also believe that our 'spirits,' if you will, are recycled until we master the set of constraints/tests/trials that are presented to us. Once we master (detachment from) these, we receive an A and are thus invited to enjoy paradise on earth.

"Rule 4- a lesson is repeated until learned"
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Co-signed.
 
I think that existence is a test in the wide sense: "let's see what happens when the universe comes to perceive itself on this particular level, via these particular mechanisms, bringing this particular mode of perception about." In this way, we're all a good try that will end up a mixed bag...

ebola
 
I think that existence is a test in the wide sense: "let's see what happens when the universe comes to perceive itself on this particular level, via these particular mechanisms, bringing this particular mode of perception about." In this way, we're all a good try that will end up a mixed bag...
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Well, if you happen to be one of those sentient beings that wasn't brought up in and/or does not live in a wealthy Western democratic republic (like, 99.99999% of every human that has ever lived - to say nothing of non-human species), this is a terribly cruel experiment indeed. Whoever or whatever is responsible for the enactment of such a 'test' surely deserves quite a lot of flack from the vermin in his/her/its cosmic petri dish. It's like some intergalactic Nazi vivisection from Hell...
 
Maybe language thinks in matter.
And matter thinks in language.

Each unknowable to the other.
Each envious of the other.

The perfect abstraction.
Abstracted into life - without end.

Just a matter of thought; don't you think?
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It really isn't.
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As beings of matter trying to rationalize existence through the use of language, we are bound to only come-up with language as the explanation. There is no accounting, then, for the existence of the matter (the person) that is pontificating in the first place -- this is the flaw of most philosophical positions.

To overcome this difficulty - where only half of the problem is ever being explained - perhaps we can imagine that language is itself thinking -- but language cannot think in language: just as we cannot think in matter --
So if language thinks in matter, and matter thinks in language: that explains everything quite neatly! (a bit like yin/yang, but better!). So humans, ants, trees etc. are the thoughts of language; and language's thoughts (i.e. matter) create language in-turn -- this is perfect abstraction! -- self-supporting!
 
Well; assuming that your assertion is true! -- does a baby think in thoughts?
"I think in thoughts" -- that sound like nonsense to me!

What do you mean by thoughts?
 
"I think in thoughts" -- that sound like nonsense to me!
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Well; assuming that your assertion is true! -- does a baby think in words?

"I think in language," sounds like nonsense to me. I guess this puts us at something of an impasse then, doesn't it?
 
A baby doesn't think, in my view of the world. If children and adults thought in thoughts (which is circular logic, to me), then why don't we remember the thoughts we had as a baby?
 
P A said:
People don't think in language. They think in thoughts. Thereby, the whole idea is reduced to a vague waffle with lofty pretensions to profundity, and nothing more.

/nonsense
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People think in thoughts just as they think in language.

Thoughts are converted to language and vice versa throughout any thinking process. Do words not stream about your mind when thinking? And do these words not come together at some point to reach some sort of conclusion or non-conclusion?

Granted, some people are more visual thinkers than others, but the point remains the same.

Shouldn't be too hard to imagine, for "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it"- Aristotle
 
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Well, if you happen to be one of those sentient beings that wasn't brought up in and/or does not live in a wealthy Western democratic republic (like, 99.99999% of every human that has ever lived - to say nothing of non-human species), this is a terribly cruel experiment indeed. Whoever or whatever is responsible for the enactment of such a 'test' surely deserves quite a lot of flack from the vermin in his/her/its cosmic petri dish. It's like some intergalactic Nazi vivisection from Hell...
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if ebola's correct, and his sentiments are another i have seriously considered from time to time, whatever the universe subjects any individual, it subjects to itself.

sometimes i think this makes sense as the only way for an immortal being to learn to appreciate being in existence, through the illusion of our finite lives.
 
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