bk-MDMA (Methylone) wonder drug?

[optimuswind]

two people found by randomly searching the internet

As opposed to YOU two people telling me otherwise? Do you have any peer-reviewed sources for your claim that methylone does more than cause oxidation in the brain (which hasn't, as far as i'm aware, even been proven).

Methylone according to wikipedia works on the same things MDMA does, but only by ONE THIRD.

Why don't you re-dose when taking MDMA? neurotoxicity, your body can't get rid of the toxins fast enough. Plus, I believe most of the damage done by MDMA is due to overheating, as far as I'm aware Methylone doesn't cause you to overheat or sweat (1 person i've found online said they sweated on it, maybe they took too high a dose? I can experiment before I go to university anyway)

If this drug is affecting those things at one third that of MDMA, which is far below a recreational MDMA dose, then I think the body can keep up with the antioxidation in the brain on its own. Regardless, I still intend to take MDMA antioxidants with it because I care about my brain - it's me.

Methylone is far more speedy than MDMA, so you need to consider that, at some point, after you redose 3 or 4 times, the good feelings will go, and all the joyous stimulant side effects will be hitting you full force. You'll be wanting to compulsively redose (especially if you have clean methylone) so you're going to need the willpower to avoid that (and if you've done mephedrone it's not as hard to avoid, but the temptation is there).



It's extremely positive in the short term, but you're not really in a place to "properly" socialize. People will know something is wrong; if you're not hyper talkative, you'll likely have a weird grin and/or fidgeting motions complementing your huge pupils.

When the comedown hits though, you may experience an increase in anxiety depending on your dose and redose timings.

Unfortunately, you can't say it's 100% safe. The reason people push themselves further with it is because it's comedown is less depressing, more stimulant/amphetamine like (This is because methylone doesn't work as strongly on serotonin receptors as MDMA does). However, if you try and over do it, you'll be greeted with a comedown reminiscent of MDMA.

Most people who claim to do it "every day" are either exaggerating or they have a product that is so inferior in quality, they can (if whatever they have is mostly cocaine or meth cut with corn starch or something, they might report about how their experience was slightly speedy, comedown not too bad, etc, etc).

I understand your situation though and I wish you the best of luck...I don't mean to derail your topic, but maybe you could look in to low dose Ketamine, Adderral (or Vyvanse), or a 2C?

So things to be mindful of: don't re-dose more than 3-4 times per day, resist temptation (I've never done mephedrone)

I'm told by someone else that nobody will notice you are on it, what doses are you/did you take that would cause people to notice you being overly hyper talkative and fidgeting motions? From what I can tell 100mg seems to be the sweet spot for just socializing, but obviously it depends on person and tolerance.

Missed your post in my reply. Thanks for the info, but Ketamine and things like 2C(which one?? there's like 10) just sound too...exotic to me, are they really a safer alternative? I remember being told in high school that they cut hash with ketamine (and so now in my mind ketamine is some horrible drug (I know nothing about it)) and Adderral, isn't that for increasing focus and such for studying for exams etc?

 

[JimSteele]

All im saying is that our knowledge should be considered at least equally useful and not dismissed as useless. That's all. Best of luck

Edit: in my experience, benzos work wonderfully for racing thoughts and feelings of worthlessness associated with social anxiety.

 

[optimuswind]

Edit: in my experience, benzos work wonderfully for racing thoughts and feelings of worthlessness associated with social anxiety.

And in mine it's the opposite, funny how that works. It's almost like everyone is different and reacts to different psychopharmaceuticals in different ways.

 

[homeydontplaythat]

methylone is great for social anxiety....it is true. however, the dose you would have to take to get to the state where you want to talk to people may be the same that you look so fucked up that no one will want to talk to you.

you can take it everyday but you can also take cocaine everyday.....chances are you will end up abusing the SHIT out of it. to use it like a benzo or an antidepressant.....well that probably wont happen once you experience the euphoria it gives.

what mg and what type of benzo are you on?

 

[optimuswind]

I take diazepam and alprazolam, 10/1mg respectively, I can take 4 of each and it only makes me feel "calm", I am already upping my dosage because of this after only a couple of months.

methylone is great for social anxiety....it is true.

Excellent, some good news.

the dose you would have to take to get to the state where you want to talk to people may be the same that you look so fucked up that no one will want to talk to you.

I guess I'll find out. Perhaps in combination with the benzos I won't need as much so I don't get the fucked up look. I have a month to experiment before university anyway.

 

[muvolution]

I had a period of methylone abuse, with use every other day or so for a couple weeks. It really fucked me up man. I am ashamed because I know better than to do something like that. It took me easily 6 months to feel normal again after that, and I didn't roll on MDMA for over 2 years in order to feel it again.

You are entering extremely dangerous territory. I urge you to stop.

College is hard, making friends is hard, but unless you try it sober, you are never going to learn anything about it going forward. Did you not receive therapy and counseling following your last suicide attempt? Have you learned anything about how to interact socially? Are your benzos not working for this?

Mixing an unknown seratonin releasing stimulant with benzos (SSRIs? don't know if you are rx'd these, but they would probably help) and existing anxiety is a recipe for a MUCH WORSE breakdown than last time.

 

[optimuswind]

I had a period of methylone abuse, with use every other day or so for a couple weeks. It really fucked me up man. I am ashamed because I know better than to do something like that. It took me easily 6 months to feel normal again after that, and I didn't roll on MDMA for over 2 years in order to feel it again.

You are entering extremely dangerous territory. I urge you to stop.

College is hard, making friends is hard, but unless you try it sober, you are never going to learn anything about it going forward. Did you not receive therapy and counseling following your last suicide attempt? Have you learned anything about how to interact socially? Are your benzos not working for this?

Mixing an unknown seratonin releasing stimulant with benzos (SSRIs? don't know if you are rx'd these, but they would probably help) and existing anxiety is a recipe for a MUCH WORSE breakdown than last time.

There seem to be more good stories than bad with this drug, but it doesn't mean I'm going to take the bad ones lightly.

Can you tell me how you used it, how much mg each dose, how many times you re-dosed during the day, did you do it every day?

Was it small therapeautic doses like I plan to take for anxiety (50-150mg) or were you taking it like one would abuse MDMA? (Remember MDMA is 3x as strong so 150mg of Methylone isn't the same as 150g MDMA)

These are important details that you left out which leaves your "report" pretty ambiguous and quite frankly seems biased towards demonizing the drug, if YOU fucked up and took too much too fast, that's your own fault, don't hide the truth, we're all here to learn from eachother and share experiences, and hiding things just because your experience with the drug was bad. I'm not saying this is in fact what happened with you, just that you left out a lot of important information which clouds the real truthand makes things ambiguous, which is less of what we need from this drug, not more.

I have tried therapy and it doesn't work for me, and you say sober like i'm going to walk into the room tripping balls rolling my ass off, I am only planning on taking enough to get that 'glow' and anxyiolytic properties of the whole process, not to be trippin' balls 24/7.

As far as i'm aware benzos don't do anything to MDMA except kill your roll or something, I also don't take any SSRIs because i've tried loads and none work for me.

 

[mindtools]

Therapy isn't equal to therapy. Probably you just need to find good psychiatrist and have patience. I've tried a few and I felt "in good hands" only with one. And recently when I tried to register to her I saw that she has calender full for 2 or 3 months ahead. Self medication is easy way to harm yourself.

btw, I would feel more safe using tramadol, which is strange drug than (under)research(ed) chemical. Tramadol has, besides opioid action, SNRI and SSRI proprieties and helped me a lot in social situations (before I started abusing other opiates).

 

[optimuswind]

Therapy isn't equal to therapy. Probably you just need to find good psychiatrist and have patience. I've tried a few and I felt "in good hands" only with one. And recently when I tried to register to her I saw that she has calender full for 2 or 3 months ahead. Self medication is easy way to harm yourself.

btw, I would feel more safe using tramadol, which is strange drug than (under)research(ed) chemical. Tramadol has, besides opioid action, SNRI and SSRI proprieties and helped me a lot in social situations (before I started abusing other opiates).

You're right, I didn't like my therapist, but with university in <1 month (and across the country) it's going to be hard to get a therapist to see me. I was thinking of trying to see one at university if the drugs (benzos, weed, and now methylone) failed to help me cope.

 

[homeydontplaythat]

yeah, man tramadol would be a safer option. seriously. methylone is a cathinone and by nature you are simply going to want to do more....you cant help it. redosing is just inevitable. once you feel good you are going to want to maintain that feeling. trust me, you will feel good and you will want more, you will redose and staying with small theraputic doses is going to be veeeeery difficult.

i know many that have used it everyday and got REAL fucked up from it. if you have it on you, you are going to use it. cathinones by nature have more of an compulsion to them than amphetamines...and that says a fucking lot.

to use methylone for anxiety is like using cocaine for anxiety. yes, it will help but you are going to end up abusing it and find yourself not able to stop until it is gone.

it is VERY common for people to use a gram a night. no one intends to use this much but it just happens.

i would urge you to find a GOOD therapist. like another person said, there are a lot of people you dont click with and you just need to wade through shitty psychs until you find one that is awesome.

i have depression and anxiety as well. using schedule I drugs is NOT going to get you anywhere.

i would get a good psychologist to talk to and a good shrink to prescribe meds. you may need 2mg of klonopin/xanax to get you through the first week or two of university and then stop. i think you will find that once you get over that hump it will get much easier.

i understand the crippling anxiety, believe me, i do. i know someone that tried MXE in the way that you are intending to use m1 and it lead to nothing but fucking baaad ass news.

even benzos are pretty dangerous but if used short term in high doses(sounds like what you need) and then STOPPING they can be very useful. last thing you want is to get addicted to benzos or fry your brain with methylone by using it everyday. everyday use of methylone will probably make your anxiety worse and may even make it develop into paranoia. i have seen it. im not just speculating.

i know you said you have used SSRIs but using them in conjunction with benzos is ideal. the benzos help for a few weeks and give time for the SNRI,SSRI to kick in, then you stop the benzos.

blasting your system with serotonin and mostly dopamine is going to lead you to abuse no matter how disciplined you are. taking "theraputic doses" with something like this is going to lead to non therapeutic/recreational doses.

i gotta run, but please be careful. feel free to PM me as well.

one last piece of advice. if you do go through with this, please get a small amount so you dont have a pile of powder staring at you.

 

[optimuswind]

Is Tramadol really safe? I know nothing about it, except some quick google-fu tells me that the withdrawal effects are really bad. Worse than benzos? Cause i've already pretty much resigned to taking them for a few years so I will have to deal with that withdrawal when the time comes.

 

[mindtools]

No, it isn't safe. It has quite a lot of interactions, lowers the seizure threshold and WD is pain in the ass (some say worse than "normal" opiates, but better than benzos). It was helpful for me in times of social stress. Plus, probably because of it's SNRI and SSRI action it brightened my mood for few days after each use.
I just said it might it could be better than bk-MDMA.

Probably there isn't any magic drug that will make your life great in matter of minutes and ask nothing in return.
I'm pretty sure you still need to google opinions on therapists / psychiatrists + psychologists combos around your area.

 

[weskejak]

at the end of last year, i gave up drinking, but still wanted to go out to the bars without feeling like all my friends were a bunch of drunk assholes, and being an irritated prick myself. so i started taking methylone when i went to the bar or the club. not very often, couple of times a month. I would take 150mg each time. i found myself happy, and outgoing, and high as hell, but in december, with all the holiday festivities, i ended up going out each week, maybe more. and soon, instead of enjoying the company of my friends, i found myself looking around for something that was missing. i stopped taking it because it had lost it's magic, something i have heard can happen when one takes mdma frequently. my girlfriend told me that when i took it, i would be an unbearable prick for the next couple of days, moody and irritable. and i found that it increased my tendency toward depression. i still love the feeling i get when i take it. and every couple of months, i'll indulge myself. but there are definite negative effects. i would love to do it every day, but the tolerance builds up, it no longer gives anywhere near the same effects at the same dosage. and while i didn't feel physically crappy the next day, the emotional effects were difficult. ymmv, so it might be fine for you. but i rather doubt this would be an effective long term solution. based on my experiences taking it, on average once every two weeks, at the most once a week, for roughly 3-4 months. I always took 150mg except for the first couple of trials. i suspect, but can not ascertain that if you took it every day, the tolerance would build up much faster then it did with me, possibly leaving you worse off then when you started. hope this helps.

 

[optimuswind]

btw, I would feel more safe using tramadol, which is strange drug than (under)research(ed) chemical. Tramadol has, besides opioid action, SNRI and SSRI proprieties and helped me a lot in social situations (before I started abusing other opiates).

I recieved my 10x tramadol today, I took 1x 50mg pill on an empty stomach and according to google it takes an hour to take effect, well, 5 hours later and I don't feel a thing.

99% sure they are legit, still in blister pack, all the information checks out, seller on silk road has good feedback. I guess it just doesn't work for me? I did get a lot of chores done today though, would that be the "energy" people say it gives them?

 

[mindtools]

Yeah, cleaning stuff and putting things on desk in some order is a thing I often do when on tramadol
Maybe it doesn't work for you, but as I understand your biggest problem are social interactions; wasn't there any positive change today?

I don't know what to tell you to be honest. One thing is that you took small dose, 100-150mg is more likely to have effect on you (use the lowest dose that's working for you). The other is that it that it may cause problems in longer run, like tolerance and may escalate your problems when you stop using them. Or may not work for you at all.

I hope you'll find the right treatment for yourself
pzdr

 

[optimuswind]

I haven't had any social interactions but I don't feel like I could do it while on the Tramadol, maybe if I were to put myself in that situation it might actually work and I just can't tell now? I will save the rest and test it when I anticipate a time when I will be anxious.

I took 100mg with 10mg valium about half an hour ago (I read that benzos lower the threshold at which tramadol can cause seizures, but that's only on higher doses like 300-400mg from what i've read on this forum, but better safe than sorry)

But yeah, I did a bunch of chores today and the time seemed to pass really quick through the day.
My mood has improved, I think, but it could just be returning to normal after my MDMA comedown which I think has gone completely now.

I can't wait to test out the Methylone and see how that affects me. At this point I feel like i'm just "chasing the dragon" to be honest. When I first started self medicating with benzos a couple of months ago it was amazing, I could walk around in public and just not give any fucks at all, gave me confidence, I was sociable etc, it felt great to feel how everyone else feels all the time, just NORMAL.

 

[12hundo]

BK MDMA is a piece of shit...
It's cool now until you see a whole festival high on that shit...

Then, you realize you are the only one who knows whats up.

 

[DubNaut]

yeah i'd say its not for going all out on all night (re-dosing beyond)
that's where the k, beer and weed come in to play

 

[whataboutheforests]

Except anecdotal reports from allover the internet say that you CAN take it every day, re-dose, and it doesn't fuck you up like MDMA.

Does nobody on these forums have any actual useful knowledge to contribute?

you have to remember that these anecdotal reports say that the AUTHOR, not you, can take it everyday , redose, and not get fucked up. BK-MDMA will affect everyone differently and jhust because it helped/worked for some people doens't mean it will for you. People have given you pretty sound advice IMO, I would treat it like MDMA. I would never rely on any drug for help with social interactions; this doesn't solve anything in the long run.

 

[rave_itsrealfun!!!]

Also, I have seen the rolling experience help people short term, while the experience of being an extrovert out of your shell is fresh in mind. However, in the long term blasting away an important neurotransmitter with lab drugs and accumulating neurotoxicity isn't going to help you become any more of a social guy. That's what it was like for me - I became much more social in between my rolls, but when I stopped rolling (and it didn't last long until I knew I had to stop) that crutch was gone, and I was probably more antisocial than when I originally started. I was completely, totally obsessed with Mdma - I thought it was my only chance at fitting in (how foolish I was) - and I don't crave rolling whatsoever these days but it took a good few months of abstinence to even stop thinking about it day and night. If you abuse methylone, you'll probably wind up more prone to depressive states and emotional outbursts I imagine.

Right from the start you've got the wrong attitude. You're looking for something you can assimilate into your daily existence and this should never be a serotonin releaser. Mdma shouldn't be too neurotoxic for you at all if you respect it. These drugs are meant for the occasional, maybe once-a-year events that tend to wind up being the best times of your life.

You should totally start off by accepting yourself, who you are presently. Chances are, you are a nice guy. If you arn't naturally extroverted then just deal with it man, it's who you are. There are plenty of guys out there who struggle with the same issues man and I'm sure you could find some cool friends!