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Warning on brown powder (mdma/pmma) - ireland

Have to agree, when I saw the picture of the powder it didn't even look like MDMA. Reminded me a bit of the 'speed' people were trying to shift a few years back were you were expected to eat the whole gram. Pity not everyone is as informed though.

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That's the image there, looks like grated soapbar or something.
 
looks like nasty oul stuff. I wouldn't have touched it if it was put in front of me. Rest in peace to the two lads
 
SpecialK_ said:
Have to agree, when I saw the picture of the powder it didn't even look like MDMA. Reminded me a bit of the 'speed' people were trying to shift a few years back were you were expected to eat the whole gram. Pity not everyone is as informed though.

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That's the image there, looks like grated soapbar or something.
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looks like a bag of mdai i had for about 3 years
 
parttime crackhead said:
Edit - Haha, £200 a gram if that news report was accurate. Where the fuck do these stupid journalists actually get their information?
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Same place as the Sun got their information about Hillsborough.

The police.

Lying to protect the state (and piss on the individual) since 1829.
 
Tryptamite said:
I wouldnt touch powder mdma of any colour. Unless it had a certificate of authenticity via gc ms. Or I knew for a fact that it was just the end of a big bag of good crystal.

MDMA is produced in crystal formation. The motives behind reducing crystals to powder are nefarious to say the least.

That brown shit in the pictures looks horrendous. Altough I imagine the pmma or pma is there due to bad chemistry as oppossed to contamination after production.

I get so frustrated with the lack of knowledge re drugs in the public and the media.
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Sometimes the way it comes, it does get broke up. And if its packed when its fresh its really crumbly. Id keep the powder of my own stuff for me, and give the lumps to mates. But I can understand your concerns. That said, it could still be crystal and not be what you hope.
 
A post-mortem on the two bodies determined they had died from a drug overdose. Gardai are now awaiting the results of toxicology tests to confirm they had taken the ecstasy mix.
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Sorry, what?
 
Tryptamite said:
Am I right in thinking mdma tainted with pma results in using a different starting material other than saffrole? I remember shulgin talking about something_
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No pma/pmma are started with anise oil, and mdma with saffrole. the only way you can get them both in the pill is by deliberately mixing them in (usually to trick the testers)

AFAIK you cant end up with pma/mdma mix from one synth.
 
When I first started doing pills, one of the risks associated with it's use was the possibility that inexperienced, greedy producers might synth up a batch of Doc or some other, ultra powerful MDMA-like drug, press 100mg tabs of it & ravers will start dropping like flies.

So, point being, the danger of adulterated pills or inadequte/alternative synthesis has been known for a very long time. How is that WE, just normal, every-day recreational users know more about what's going on than officials/media/medical establishment, who should be as educated as we are? Most people who don't actually use drugs or have a specific interest in their use (rehabilitation workers etc) know absolutely sweet fuck all. How can this inclucde our politicians, police & A&E staff? Surely information about PMA & all/any dangerous drugs should be deciminated quickly & the media should be ALL over these stories. Maybe these paranoid types aren't so paranoid & that the system really is quite happy for young people to die needlessly from drugs use because it reinforces the "all drugs use is bad" doctrine.

Another thing... Does anyone here think that people who are selling PMA are doing so accidentally? That they don't realise what dangers exist?
 
I think quite a lot of the people selling pills directly to the people that are eating them are doing it accidentally. Someone a bit higher up knows what they're doing though.

No-one I know that sells pills has ever tested a pill, or even seen a test kit. Back before the drought, when loads of my mates were selling them cheap as fuck, most of them had never even heard of pillreports or if they had they didn't bother to look at it because 99% of the time the pills were decent. A PMA batch could easily have been sold & 10 of my mates would have became "evil PMA dealers" but they would have just thought they were selling ecto exactly the same as they did the week before.

I bought large amounts of pipz from one of my most trusted mates/dealer back in '07. He wasn't trying to be a cunt to me. He'd been sold them, had no reason to think there was anything wrong with them, so sold them on as he always did.
 
The people who sold this brown shit though must have known it was bunk. It looks dodgy enough just from the pictures
 
RaveOne said:
No pma/pmma are started with anise oil, and mdma with saffrole. the only way you can get them both in the pill is by deliberately mixing them in (usually to trick the testers)

AFAIK you cant end up with pma/mdma mix from one synth.
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http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/76245-Pma

Why is PMA being sold as MDMA?
PMA is being sold as MDMA because it is easier and safer to make - the precursors are not as strictly controlled/watched. Also, the effects of a low PMA dose can be confused with the effects of MDMA. This makes PMA seem to be a good substitute for manufacturers who do not want to make MDMA.

Sasha Shulgin also offers this take:
There are some reports of safrole being sizable components of Star Anise Oil (Illicium verum, I. parviflorum) but the major compound in these Oils is Anethol, not Safrole. And if Anise Oil were to be used in error as a presumed source of Safrole, this material would give rise to PMA, which has been shown to be very toxic. PMA has been seen as an "Ecstasy" substitute, and I wonder if the uninformed use of Anise Oil as a presumed Safrole source, could have been the origin of PMA in the Ecstasy rave scene.


So, if they use Anise, which does have some Safrole in it, I think they may end up with a mix?
 
Deeply embarrassing piece of in the Irish times today, and in which among the many errors MDPV bzp and mdea is described as ecstasy, 2cb as amphetamine, and Diaz as depressant. Conor Lally, Brian, O Connell, go back to primary school you fucking dances. It also 'quotes' users talking about the emergence of powder mdma, I have never seen md powder in Ireland only crystal which the writers don't have seem to have heard of.

More error ridden, badly written, contradictory, harm increasing drivel masquerading as journalism. Newspaper of record me hole.
 
Sounds exactly like the sorta journalism we've all come expect from any mainstream media when discussing our evil drugs...

jinx9000 said:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/76245-Pma

Why is PMA being sold as MDMA?
PMA is being sold as MDMA because it is easier and safer to make - the precursors are not as strictly controlled/watched. Also, the effects of a low PMA dose can be confused with the effects of MDMA. This makes PMA seem to be a good substitute for manufacturers who do not want to make MDMA.

Sasha Shulgin also offers this take:
There are some reports of safrole being sizable components of Star Anise Oil (Illicium verum, I. parviflorum) but the major compound in these Oils is Anethol, not Safrole. And if Anise Oil were to be used in error as a presumed source of Safrole, this material would give rise to PMA, which has been shown to be very toxic. PMA has been seen as an "Ecstasy" substitute, and I wonder if the uninformed use of Anise Oil as a presumed Safrole source, could have been the origin of PMA in the Ecstasy rave scene.


So, if they use Anise, which does have some Safrole in it, I think they may end up with a mix?
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Fascinating! Cheers :)
 
I would think it highly likely that any "MDMA" that is not recognisably crystals but is powder, has crushed pills in it, which means that it could be pretty much anything. I would be suspicious of anything that isn't crystally.
 
I had a gram of that killer md, same stuff now doubt.
It was very Crystaly and looked just like a bag of brown sugar, nothing like the pictures posted above.
I had a bomb and then a line about 4 - 5 hours later, it was class.

A real shame those guys died :-(
Maybe if I had taken a heavier dose it would have killed me..? No way of knowing.
 
Donagh said:
I had a gram of that killer md, same stuff now doubt.
It was very Crystaly and looked just like a bag of brown sugar, nothing like the pictures posted above.I had a bomb and then a line about 4 - 5 hours later, it was class.

A real shame those guys died :-(
Maybe if I had taken a heavier dose it would have killed me..? No way of knowing.
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No. It wouldn't have. You didn't have "killer md".
You had brown crystal. Lots of MDMA comes as brown crystal. Even the best stuff.
The PMA stuff that killed those 2 guys was a dark brown powder & it looked nothing like MDMA.
 
I'm currently writing an article for MixMag about the recent spate of possible PMA deaths. I visited the Trimbos Institute in Utrecht 2 weeks ago and also a pill-testing lab there, where heard how most Dutch pills - 97%- have MDMA in them.

It seems to me that the existence of testing labs (and local production) means MDMA is in great abundance in the netherlands, meaning people are relatively safer.

The recent spate of deaths seems strange to me. It's out of the typical statistical range for deaths of MDMA.

It all started with the blue einsteins (wit the stamp E=MC2), then the pink mcdonald's, it seems.

My biggest concern is that some idiotic, greedy, immoral pressers are beefing up low-dose MDMA pills with PMA or PMMA. This means Marquis will be fooled (showing purple reaction, indicating presence of primary amine - while Marquis has no reaction for PMA or PMMA. So even pill-testing kits are unsafe.

If anyone has direct experience of this drug, or if their friends have, please drop me a PM with your email and i'll interview you and quote you anonymously in my story.

There's also an advert on the front page of pillreports kindly placed there by the administrator with an email forward.

Mods pls delete/edit as appropriate and apologies if this breaks protocol etc.
 
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