Heroin heroin detox advise

[jones-in_J]

So tomorrow im going to detox from heroin.... again (this is gettint old). Ive been thru it a ton of times but want the communitys opinion on which route i should take

I have to go back to work in two days so not working isnt an option. I have about 48mg of suboxone, 120 grams of kratom and mxe at my disposal

Kratom with mxe works pretty well for withdrawals the only pain is needing to redose.... fortunately i receently bought empty capsules so dosing kratom at work will now be possible amd wont be any trouble at all

One thing im worried about with the subocone is i used it about four weeks ago to do a rapid detox in incriments of 8-8-4-4-2-2-2a and then again maybe two weeks ago i took it but only 8-8-4... i know using suboone to rapid detox too many times to close together can risk catching a habit to it and can result in even worse withdrawls so im worried about that. But if i do use it itll prob be on a schedule of somethint like 8-8-4-4-2-2-1-0.5. I think the times ive recently ppreviously used it were brief enough and far enough apart that i should be straight but dont wanna risk it if it is in fact a risk

Oh yeah i have immodium too though i refuse to take more then 6mg at a time since i have existing stomach problems and am not risking takimg a shit ton of it, plus that ammount perfectly cures stomach problems durint withdrawal though the suboxone alleviates the need for it

What would you guys suggest? I did my last shot like 5 hours ago so if i take the kratom/mxe approach amd skip suboxone altogether then i wanna take the immodium tonight

Thanks in advance for any replies

 

[cj]

It really depends on the size of your habit and your tolerance to the pain of withdrawal. Personally im a pussy so I would do the sub taper then switch to the MXE,Kratom,immodium plan after that. But if you can handle the intensity then the Kratom,MXE,Immodium combo will get it over with alot faster. Also why are you starting your sub taper at 8mg? I would start at 4 and work down from there.

 

[bayhead415]

I recently read an article over at the shroomery about a study of taking nalaxone with opiates to reduce the addiction effect. I am not recommending doing dope with it, but just that it may play a role in suboxone maintenance as well as being abuse deterrent. Have you tried a suboxone clinic? I am guessing to pricey if you have, but I am sure they would have some counselling to go along with the drug maintenance.

Honestly IMO useing multiple opiate binding compounds will make it harder to ween as well as MXE/ketamine/other dissasociatives in this family as it develops its own addiction. I was recently prescribe clonidine to help with some withdrawal effects (dialated eyes, raised heart rate, temperature fluctuation) and found it very helpful while the only noticeable effect was being out of breath climbing large flights of stairs and slight fatigue. If you have insurance and a doctor ask their opinion about this.

Just a few things to consider while getting off. I'll be checking for replies to see if you posts Q's.

 

[BiggDirty01]

Just my .02 here but the 8mg seems a bit excessive and may be the real source of your problem jumping back and forth between heroin and suboxone. Realistically, and coming from my own experience, doses above 4mg for even the biggest of dopeheads (I was doing 1-2 g of tar) makes detox a much rougher experience than need be.

When I went to rehab for the first time, they detoxed me off multiple pain meds (back surgery-fent, methadone, hydromorphone and morphine daily!) and I felt absolutely no WD symptoms being detoxed in the period of 9 days using smaller doses of bupe over a bit longer of a period, something I and most dope fiends would have no taste for as it requires much patience when you have the detox meds yourself versus a scheduled dispersement.

So with the kratom and mxe, consider using less suboxone and realize that jumping back and forth can only be destructive to your opioid receptors as your juggling powerful substances with a high affinity for the receptors.

 

[psychedelicate]

jesus christ, beats kicking cold turkey in solitary on your 30th birthday.

 

[jones-in_J]

So i decided on starting with suboxone and tapering and using kratom/mxe lightly after since i woke up today much worse off then expected

I took 8mg todsy... prob shoulda tried to use less but i was so sick and sweat so bad all night i just took the whole strip

But starting tomorrow i have one of two plans what do u guys think is better

4-2-2-2-1-1-.05-.05-.025

Or take 1-2mg "as needed" without exceeding 4mg the first few days... 3mg couple days after... 2mg couple days after that ect?

I almost think a scheduled ammount in the morning is better to stop the thought of "omg when can i dose again i need it i meed it!" ..... that part drives me crazier then anything

So i guess that mostly answers my own question but want ur guys opinion or a third plan if u have one u think is betterr?

 

[muie]

Advice is patience, ive quit opiates for 1-2 months easy and thats not worked (relapsing). Best thing to do is find a hobby or something to do, people i know in including me that have been off dope for over 5-6months find they drink more, smoke weed more which are all good but you need to do something to take up your time so that everymorning u wake up without narcs you dont count away the moments on benzos leing on a couch and shit. Go do some excercise, get some dumbells and a workout table u can put in ur place easy and u can do practically every excercise in the book, that it easy since its not a competion ur workingout to rehabilitate urself not to be Arnold. If a drink or a smoke/coffee motivates you do that, eat healthy.

p.s. I drink around 2L of wine a day now since i dont use, smoke over a pack, puff a bit of weed but the wine i drink from morning to night i hardly get drunk unless its night and i cant sleep so i down a glass and red wine stimulates the appetite (our immune systems r weak opiates suppress the immune system), it took me a few months to enjoy showers and the water again

hope this helps peace

 

[AminoAcid]

Hey dude, have you considered going on completely suboxone maintenance and allowing your body to adjust to that and then withdraw from the sub? Reason being is that when I saw my doctor just recently he said that suboxone withdrawals are a lot more smoother than withdrawals from heroin/oxy/etc, due to suboxone having an epic half-life. If you're withdrawing from heroin then you'll experience a monstrous "crash", but if you're withdrawing from suboxone you won't experience that.

 

[jones-in_J]

Hey dude, have you considered going on completely suboxone maintenance and allowing your body to adjust to that and then withdraw from the sub? Reason being is that when I saw my doctor just recently he said that suboxone withdrawals are a lot more smoother than withdrawals from heroin/oxy/etc, due to suboxone having an epic half-life. If you're withdrawing from heroin then you'll experience a monstrous "crash", but if you're withdrawing from suboxone you won't experience that.

Yea theres no way im going on maintainance, tried it many times before and i dont like subocone so i always end up back on dope, trust me ive tried coubtless times

And also i have crohns disease for some reason suboxone causes me excrutiating stomach pain to my crohns... in fact i tried to do the taper guide i set up for myself but stopped taking the suboxone because it started hurting my stomach soooo bad (my crohns is pretty bad right now so the suboxone affected it worse then ever.)

 

[bayhead415]

I actually remember seeing someone mention for them suboxone is a longer withdrawal, but less intense vs other powerful short acting opiates (heroin specifically mentioned). This is not based on recognized tests, but it does make sense that longer binding compounds have longer & smoother W/D while shorter binding compounds have a more powerful & shorter W/D.

 

[jones-in_J]

I actually remember seeing someone mention for them suboxone is a longer withdrawal, but less intense vs other powerful short acting opiates (heroin specifically mentioned). This is not based on recognized tests, but it does make sense that longer binding compounds have longer & smoother W/D while shorter binding compounds have a more powerful & shorter W/D.

Either way im done fucking with suboxone at anything above. 1-2mg tops and dont really wanma use it for withdrawal at all, maybe when im clean ill save it for cuz then 2mg will get me FRIED lol

 

[bayhead415]

Well I continue to wish you safety as you go through this experience. I have yet to go through a serious W/D and hope I never do.

I do recommend being careful with using the MXE too much. From personal experience I know how easy it is to just start getting woofey every day with it as it does not feel as sedating as K. Remember it has its own dependency as well as kratom.

If you smoke cannabis already it will help a lot. I would defiantly recommend using quality water hash hopefully from an indica strain to go with it as it will produce a very strong similar narcotic effect if used properly. The key is making sure you don't increase the dose and either keep it stable or have it decrease.... Specifically with the cannabis that is. If you don't smoke cannabis or do not have easy access (medical or pro grower) I would not recommend this as it will still be an addiction that could become problematic even if it is not as problematic as the current substance.

Again I wish you good health and safety as you get through this. You defiantly will feel better without the draw to go back to it. If you want a recommendation hobby object manipulation dance. Such as various known toys with history like poi, staff, juggling, contact juggling, hoops, and really whatever you can pick up and play with. It is a great way to keep your body moving while filing yourself with sounds of either music or even nature and really help develop a strong balanced body. I believe extending your energy into an object and move it around yourself it really helps to develop awareness of the energy of the space around you. Do not go overboard when you start though as it is easy to strain and stress yourself. If you want any recommendations or video examples just ask or shoot me a PM and I would be glad to help you find a hobby you can pick up at any time to play with when you need to keep your mind busy.

 

[AminoAcid]

How are you going mate?? Keep us updated!