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Hello

My name is Simon im almost 24 i started using Extacy about 3-4 years ago now for about 6 months almost every weekend.
After all this time after taking i still do not feel 100% myself.

I have been on Zoloft and other SSRI's for some of this time but still feel like i make the most progress not taking them at all. They do help with the social anxiety & slight depression but make me feel like a zombi and have a limited range of emotions - Not to mention the sexual side effects

I honestly don't know what I'm going to do with my life if i don't get right again. I feel like i made a huge mistake ( Which i did) and now will never have a normal life the way i would have wanted...

I try to keep fit and workout often to try boost dopamine and general health, Works a little compared to doing nothing but not a cure. I hope with more time, life will become normal for me again....

Does anyone know anything that might help in anyway.. ?
 
It takes me a lifetime to talk... all I can say is a very small dose of psilocybin containing mushrooms may help you out, it could help unravel & discover what is causing some of your problems that you may not even be aware of or think is the root of what's trapping you in a constant state of illness. I can say it worked wonders for me especially over time after the experience but as they say YMMV.

I'm sure there are lots of other things you could do/ work on out there that will help too this is just my snippet.
 
Hello Stickman

Thanks for your message.

Just to suggest that you dont use your name on here. Dont worrey too much but just because of the topic of conversation. I would advise you to edit your post and remove your name.

i started using Extacy about 3-4 years ago now for about 6 months almost every weekend.
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Whats your total dose ie total number of tablets / doses consumed. when you took ecstasy how much did you take at once ie number of pills or approx mg dose each time? Did you have multiple days of taking ie 3 day rave festival?

I have been on Zoloft and other SSRI's for some of this time but still feel like i make the most progress not taking them at all. They do help with the social anxiety & slight depression but make me feel like a zombi and have a limited range of emotions - Not to mention the sexual side effects
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Re the SSRIs if they are not doing anything for you then I would seriousley consider coming off them. Some people on bluelight say that the SSRIs can prolong the long term comedown that you are experiencing. If you do choose to come off SSRIs you have to sometimes gradually come off them and not too suddenly. Just like going on them expect for a little bit of an emotional rollercoaster as you come off them.

Seek medical advice before finalising this decision this is only my opinion.

I honestly don't know what I'm going to do with my life if i don't get right again. I feel like i made a huge mistake ( Which i did) and now will never have a normal life the way i would have wanted...
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These comedowns are awful I know exactly what you are going through. You will get right it just takes time. You did make a mistake but not an unworkable mistake. You will feel normal again I promise you.

I have had one of these comedowns before and came out of it. Time is the key.

I try to keep fit and workout often to try boost dopamine and general health, Works a little compared to doing nothing but not a cure. I hope with more time, life will become normal for me again....
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Fitness is so important. Your body needs all the chances possible to restore its natural balance.

Does anyone know anything that might help in anyway.. ?

Exercise, Healthy Diet, No alcohol, No drugs, Ideally no sugar but at least low sugar, No caffeine. No smoking if you smoke and can resist.

Learn to distract your mind from thinking about your condition, force yourself to live as normal a life as possible.

Suppliments are a debatable topic but I would recommend Krill Oil and Omega 3 Oil. There are many more that some members may advise.

5HTP I have been using now for one year and it has done nothing for me. I dont think 5HTP is particularly successful for long term comedowns. It seems to be better for short term comedowns.

Piracetam also some members report being good. I havent tried this yet so cannot comment but I intend to try it. Consider this as an option also.

The biggest healer is TIME. I know what you are going through.

Good luck and please post back keeping us posted on how things are going.

Futura


all I can say is a very small dose of psilocybin containing mushrooms may help you out, it could help unravel & discover what is causing some of your problems that you may not even be aware of or think is the root of what's trapping you in a constant state of illness.
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Ecstasy is a psychedelic. Taking more psychedelics to fix an issue with psychedelics. I dont agree with this as a good plan forward. The risks are way too high.
 
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^ good advice.

Time is indeed the most important factor of all.
I am 22 months into recovery from Serotonin Syndrome and the evolution simply never stops.

Mushrooms are a 5HT-2A agonist, which populates the prefrontal cortex.
Unlike other psychedelics, mushrooms have been shown to have long-term anti-depressant effects in people with severe depression/anxiety.
Even after a year some patients continue to report improved mood and outlook on life.

Why this is unique to mushrooms is not known.

Serotonin is an inhibitor and moderator of dopamine, and the flow of dopamine from the limbic system into the prefrontal cortex is a critical component of emotional health.
Perhaps the activation of prefrontal 2A receptors causes a lasting reorganization of the prefrontal dopamine tract.

It is important to note that the 2a receptor is notoriously easy to down-regulate and difficult to up-regulate.
In other words, high dose or repeated use of mushrooms could be a VERY bad idea.
But sub-threshold doses, like .25 grams, have been reported to have profoundly positive effects by people with mental illness.
Including on BL...

Aside from the healing potential of psylosibin, few options exist to alter the path of healing among former MDMA users suffering severe depression.

SSRIs have failed in most patients, believed to be caused by altered transmission of serotonin.
Many on BL report a lack of effectiveness and a negative impact on healing, including a serious delay in time.

A new standard in anti-depressant use is emerging - the combination of Lithium with SSRIs.
I know at least one BL member who suffered severe problems from a heavy night of rolling and his doctor put him on such a combination.
He doesn't think about the problem anymore.

Lithium is shown to significantly increase the 'prolactin response' to SSRIs in both control patients and those previously unresponsive to them. This is very significant, because prolactin is the measurement by which higher brain serotonin transmission is measured.
It is also the direct hormonal cause of 'magic' from using MDMA.

On its own, Lithium is neuroprotective and regenerative.
It increases stem cell proliferation, glial progenitor proliferation, and actually increases BDNF expression in the cortex.
Brain derived neutrophic factor is a protein that selectively grows new serotonin axons and increases the viability of existing ones.
It is an 'activity' based protein and is one of the primary benefits of physical exercise.

That's right - working out and taking Lithium increases BDNF in the higher regions of the brain (where loss of serotonin innervation has occurred).

SSRIs also do this, by the way, substantially.
But they also deplete brain stores of serotonin, requiring an increase in dosage in nearly all patients.
Over time they cause down-regulation of serotonin receptors, resulting in an ongoing or permanent use of the medication.
Many studies have demonstrated that 'withdrawal' from SSRIs results in a WORSE depression than the patient experienced prior to using the medication. And the neuro-endocrine profile, which looks at pituitary and adrenal function, backs this up.

SSRIs make an amazing difference for many people, by increasing serotonin and dopamine in highest pathways of the mind.
MDMA also does this, but much more rapidly.
Both cause a loss of cortical serotonin innervation and a deficit in pituitary/adrenal function long after withdrawal.

The use of anti-depressants is still considered controversial by many scientists.
Data exists that shows serious negative side-effects, including long-term or even permanent loss of libido and sexual function.
But some doctors insist that many of their patients come to them with such SEVERE depression that all the down-side of SSRIs are worth the risk.

In other words there are some people that are so sick that a life-long requirement of medication is not unreasonable.
All that is unreasonable is HOW OFTEN these powerful medications are prescribed.

Now there is a belief that Lithium may protect the brain from some of the changes in 'gene expression' that occur during SSRI use.
Or life stress.
Acute stress can cause lasting changes to the use of mitochondria in various neurons - but Lithium prevents this.
And SSRIs cause down-regulation, which may be slowed or prevented by Lithium.

Obviously I am recommending that you try Lithium.
I do NOT recommend SSRIs - make sure you withdraw slowly and under supervision.
And lithium does require monitoring as well - blood levels need to be checked regularly.

As an alkaline salt compound, lithium can cause toxicity.
In fact the pharmaceutical options are only effective at dosages that approach bodily toxicity.
For example, polyuria or very frequent urination is common.
Dehydration is a danger because this can quickly increase the amount of lithium in your bloodstream.
Loss of salt is also a problem for the same reason.

It deposits in your thyroid and can cause hypothyroidism.
And it can cause renal impairment and possibly damage after long term use.
It is very important to be monitored.

Make sure you research the interactions and signs of toxicity.
With every medication there are risks.
But Lithium may be a remarkable option to regrow neurons - including cortical serotonin.
It may prevent changes in other areas of the brain that occur due to a result of post MDMA anxiety and depression.
It also restores regions of the brain to their original morphology (shape)!

Amazing stuff.

Piracetam was a miracle - as a pause button.
It no longer causes such a drastic change in me.
But lithium is really interesting stuff - something I wish I had tried in the beginning stages of my 'recovery'.

Want another option?
ECT - it regrows serotonin nerves FAST.
And causes memory loss...
(so does recovery)

Whatever you do, don't stop exercising.
Its benefits for the brain are only beginning to be understood.
Even when you don't think it is helping you must continue.
Believe me, I have felt WORSE after working out - but persistence always returns the powerful benefits.
Never ever stop.

Good luck with whatever path you chose.
There are limited options for you medically.
Find a psychiatrist experienced with prescribing Lithium and give it a try.
You will like how it makes you feel.
 
hi fbc,

thanks for that post.

i tried lithium but i got a lot of sweating from it and had to stop even though i drank a lot, as you know it's hard on the kidneys. so unfortunately no lithium for me.

if it doesn't get better in a few months i will consider ect.


i wanted to ask if you could share your opinion on valdoxan (agomelatine) in regards to recovery. it's a novel antidepressant :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agomelatine

do you think it could hinder the recovery process ?

thank you very much for your opininon.

best of luck
 
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its weird as i am 8 weeks tommorrow into recovery and i have recovered a hell of a lot since the first 2 weeks but it seems that the problems that i have (which i posted in my post on the forum) seem to be on and off. Each week the symptoms seem to change or dull in different ways ? its getting better but it seems as weeks go on different symptoms come up.....is this normal ?
 
Im on lexapro 15mg, 6 month recovery time, i would try to dimisnish it along this months with the help of my gp.
I want to ask if somebody have been xperiencing jaw pain from this comedown (bruxism maybe) , or it someone feels little pain when touch the place when brain zps happen (may this be a brain-death signal? im really worried about this, the brain zaps are diminishin btw but not at all).
 
stickman242 said:
Hello

My name is Simon im almost 24 i started using Extacy about 3-4 years ago now for about 6 months almost every weekend.
After all this time after taking i still do not feel 100% myself.

I have been on Zoloft and other SSRI's for some of this time but still feel like i make the most progress not taking them at all. They do help with the social anxiety & slight depression but make me feel like a zombi and have a limited range of emotions - Not to mention the sexual side effects

I honestly don't know what I'm going to do with my life if i don't get right again. I feel like i made a huge mistake ( Which i did) and now will never have a normal life the way i would have wanted...

I try to keep fit and workout often to try boost dopamine and general health, Works a little compared to doing nothing but not a cure. I hope with more time, life will become normal for me again....

Does anyone know anything that might help in anyway.. ?
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Have you roll during 4 years or only 6 month every weekend? simptons? do you have had a "horrible one roll" or just the acumulation of all your rolls?
 
I would like to ask a question if I may, I am a recovering addict, I was 11 years clean until I met my current girlfriend who is a weekend warrior using mdma, since I have been off the drugs I have had to go onto antidepressants and antianxiety medication namely zoloft, my girlfriend has said to me that I have changed and I have to admit some of my behaviours is not normal for me, as well as some of my thought patterns. Currently my girlfriend wants time to "think"over our relationship and I am pretty sure that the reason why she wants to do that is cause of how I have been acting over the past few weeks. I am wondering if anyone can tell me if mixing antidepressants and mdma can cause many abnormal behaviours and thought patterns. Right now I have decided to stop using altogether again, as really my body just can';t handle illicit drugs watsoever any more. So my program starts from scratch again. If anyone can help me out with some answers it would be appreciated cheers

brian
 
Zoloft + MDMA is a nasty nasty nasty combination. Taking these together is a very bad choice. Lots of information in the forums here against doing this.
 
Ecstasy is a psychedelic. . thats debatable

many on BL would disagree
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Psychedelic Drug Definition

A psychedelic substance is a psychoactive drug whose primary action is to alter cognition and perception.


Looks psychedelic to me :)
 
futura2012 said:
Psychedelic Drug Definition

A psychedelic substance is a psychoactive drug whose primary action is to alter cognition and perception.

Looks psychedelic to me :)
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By that definition any drug is a psychedelic. Alcohol alters cognition and perception.
 
Renz Envy said:
I agree MDMA is mostly a psychadelic.
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futura2012 said:
Psychedelic Drug Definition

A psychedelic substance is a psychoactive drug whose primary action is to alter cognition and perception.


Looks psychedelic to me :)
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there are entire threads dedicated to this topic on BL

alls im saying is it isnt cut n dry

some say it is some say it isnt, is all i was pointing to

and i dont like that definition of psyhadeli drugs, opiates alter my cognition and perception but definately not in a psychadelic way
 
By that definition any drug is a psychedelic. Alcohol alters cognition and perception.
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Valid point. What would you suggest is a good definition the english dictionary?

(of a drug) causing effects on the mind, such as feelings of deep understanding or seeing strong images

I still think MDMA falls into this category.

there are entire threads dedicated to this topic on BL

alls im saying is it isnt cut n dry
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The way I see it is you define the word "Psychedelic" from the English Dictionary and it either is or isnt.

If it is unclear then the relevant definition is at fault.

I see what your saying do you have a link to the thread mentioned I am interested to see the argument and how it pans out.
 
First Bad Comedown said:
Mushrooms are a 5HT-2A agonist, which populates the prefrontal cortex.
Unlike other psychedelics, mushrooms have been shown to have long-term anti-depressant effects in people with severe depression/anxiety.
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I suffer from social anxiety, how can mushrooms help with that? Are you saying if I just go on a couple magic trips i'll have some sort of brain-revelation and become a different (better, no anxiety) person? Seems too good to be true. I have taken shrooms before, but I also take benzos and I didn't know that benzos completely muted any pyschedelic experiences so I experienced nothing from it. (Talking 3g/7g/3g doses from different sources on silk road)
 
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