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Blondin Welcome back my friend! Have to hear about your trip when your lap top back online. DS- thanks for your article- should have known those filthy Turks had a hand in this Anthrax business (lol)- just kidding (about the Turks). I still think Special Branch or MI6 were in on it. In all seriousness, thats scarry shit- everybody be safe. Jancrow- thanks for the link, that was a great docu about dope production in Afghanistan.

Talk to dope fiends over here at meetings and I still havent met one that has heard of the drought. Dont any of these people use Bluelight?

Anyway, Cranknit here is a docu about the main cartel in TJ - there rise and fall. Prety good insight about the drug war down there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X8HxQ6DQYo&feature=related

Remeber we had a drought around 95' when there was the most pressure on them.

Anyway, I got to get ready- its my five year olds birthday party- I'll check in latter.
 
couldnt be arsed waiting to go get some pins so i just sniffed what i had left, mm i missed gear forgot how nice and scratchy and relaxing it is.. am i the only one who loves snorting the stuff? lasts longer than smoking imo, dunno where in the uk this stuff came from though been out of touch with local dealers & users for a while now, not far off a nod and all iv had was a v low dose of benzos and some promethazine to go with it =D

Anyone know what the situation is locally (yorkshire/leeds)?better than the last stuff i had before from leeds a few months back and it was shit for a year or 3 before that
 
couldnt be arsed waiting to go get some pins so i just sniffed what i had left, mm i missed gear forgot how nice and scratchy and relaxing it is.. am i the only one who loves snorting the stuff? lasts longer than smoking imo, dunno where in the uk this stuff came from though been out of touch with local dealers & users for a while now, not far off a nod and all iv had was a v low dose of benzos and some promethazine to go with it =D

Anyone know what the situation is locally (yorkshire/leeds)?better than the last stuff i had before from leeds a few months back and it was shit for a year or 3 before that

AHHHH the ol sniffing debate heroin base (brown) shouldnt be sniffed as it isnt really absorbed cos its not water soluble maybe 15% B/A tops you can mix with an acid (citric,vit c) make a solution and spray it up yer snoze otherwise imo its just a waste of time......waits for a page and a half debate yawn zzzzzz
 
probably aint as effective as if you smoke it properly, but it lasts longer and if its a placebo then my chest and nose covered in scratch marks/the fresh bum holes in my mattress are telling me that i could live with this placebo :), so long as i'm high i dont really care, a nice shot would've been lovely though i dont think i've ever shot h just on its own its always been during a bender, il get myself some more as a treat for next weekend ha, my tolerance must've been way down, .2's kept me pretty mellow for a good while. lovely warm bedtime now anyways, nn y'all x
 
I don't quite know what the fresh BUM holes in yer mattress are telling me :)

if i were a maid, that wuld be my maid service name

some nice gear up this way, light pale brown with massive rocks (my mate got a bag that was basically one big rock) runs well on foil and really makes ya gag with that taste, cant compare it to alot of gear as i aint had alot but a personal rating is 7.5-8/10, a half bag had me in a very nice place last time

question from someone that rarely chases/smokes on foil - does leaving barely any black bits on the foil when gear is running a sign of good gear? first gear i tried it left a black track, this newer stuff doesnt leave much and hit me much better
 
^^^

Good question Cornishman! I always get mixed up with the different types of heroin, not that we have a choice of different types in Dublin, but it is interesting.
 
I'm beginning to think it might be a mix of #4 and #2 cause it has both water soluble & insoluble characteristics.

Maybe next time I'll try a shot using just plain cold water. No citric. No heat. Just to see if there's a chance of a proper #4 high before unleashing the citirc.

There must be if peeps are snorting it.

Roll on Friday
 
Hi Cornishman, not sure the idea of having a HIT without heat & citric is a good one . I'm no chemist but i reckon the outcome will be a disaster...

The cut ie: caffine is more than likely the soluble part ( No NESCAFE jokes pls ) whereas the Heroin which is 99% #3 in the UK is definatley not .

Hi to all the old crew , good to see you all still posting. Ructions congrats on finally finding something worth smoking ! ;-) . As for me well been on a break due to work , Stuff around here is still ok , nothing worth shouting about but a huge improvement on 2011.

See you all soon .

Louie.
 
I always thought our brown heroin was no. 3, freebase mixed with caffeine to lower the melting point and help it run.

I am 99% sure that it is Not a mixture or #3 and #4.

As far as I know heroin freebase is very poorly soluble in water, but nasal BioAvailabilty depends on other things as well, such as lipid solublility.
I have snorted brown gear meant for smoking. It stung my nose and at the time when I had little tolerance it got me high. I would still say however that the nasal BA for freebase heroin is very low.

If you really wanted to sniff your gear I would advise you to mix it with the correct amount of citric, vinegar or vitamin c, add the smallest amount of water possible, cook it until it changes into water soluble salt form and dissolves and then leave the water to evaporate at room temperature or at low heat.
The remaining powder should be scraped up and will be heroin citrate, acetate (or ascorbate - that right??) and should have a similar nasal BA to east coast US powder dope (no. 4).

I would process several doses at once instead of one dose at a time to minimise the inevitable but minuscule loss of product that tends to occur with these things.

Be warned that your dope will go further this way so be sure to adjust your dosage accordingly if you are used to sniffing freebase.
 
Cornishman, here is a post from a few years ago from opiophile. Its from Rachamim that post here on BL as well. The system of classifying dope was devised by our DEA. Probaly find this info on their website.

Anyway here is the post:

The numbering system was devised by the US DEA in the very early 1970s, in the DEA's first few baby steps and represents their ignorance.

The system is as follows:

Heroin #1: Morphine Freebase or Morphine HCL

Heroin #2: Heroin Acetate or Heroin Freebase

Heroin #3: #4 heroin but specifically altered at the POM (Point of Manufacture) to make it conducive for smoking. The technical definition is a 60:40 mix, with 60 representing heroin hcl. and 40 representing caffeine hcl.

Heroin #4: Heroin hcl made specifically for injection.

A couple of forms are not represented.

"Tar," made, as I said a week or so ago by using a different acetylating agent (other than Acetic Anhydride), heated much longer, and not heated in a reflux apparatus. The lack of reflux is what is responsible for its "tar" life form, and the acetylating agent and time are what is responsible for the ration of MAMs (MAM 3 and MAM 6 are usually only seen as by products of hydrolysation. As heroin degrades it turns first into MAMs and then into morphine although it is always a mixed ratio unless very old and decomposed.

"Homebaked" is made from either Rx morphine tabs or more often from OTC codeine preps that have had a CWE, and then subjected to O-Demetylation into morphine, . Eother way, when they have morphine they then acetylate usually using AA but any acetylating agent will work. Like "Tar," it is not heated in relux so it is a "tar" like consistency but the composition is much different than "Tar," in that it has very little MAM. When they used to use Diconal as the precuros it would be a pink or red tar, but more often black just like Mexican "Tar."

Both "Tar" and "Homebaked" are forms specifically made for injection so they meet the technical definition of Heroin #4, but because they were only disocvered AFTER the system was created, they really fall outside of it.

"Tar" is a form only made in parts of Mexico and only seen in Mexico and parts of the US, while "Homebaked" while very rare today is only found in NZ and Australia.


I will post this and then post the answer in a following post, things are a hectic now.



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12-26-2008 09:44 AM#27




rachamim18

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Re: Heroin 1,2,3,4



So how do you know what form you have? #2 is almost always freebase although it includes both freebase and aAcetate in the tech. definition. When you acetylate, you end up with Acetate, and it is a salt with very poor pH attributes so it is NEVER sold as is. All producers then convert the Acetate into freebase by suing simple sodium bicarb (most of the time). if sold at this stage it is #2. #2 is the form most often exported from SW Asia, meaning Paki/Afghan product , basically the only thing in Europe now and the UK of course is in Europe .

If they are exporting there in the US and from time to time a tiny bit gets in, it will be a finer product, almost always, meaning #4. they generally make both while 4 is much more expensive and hence it is not often going to Europe.

Why is #1 morphine some bright person MIFGT ask. Well, that is because when this sytem was devised morphine was an illicit commodity itself. Almost all SE producers were making #4 from already illicitly manufactured morphine. Today, only one group still makes it, "999 Brand," with 3 9s pressed into the block, always a very white brick. Made by the Wa Tribe in Mynammar/Burma it is sold only to one area in the world today, the Thai/Malaysian jungle straddling the border, to Muslim producers who are too lazy, etc to do the process themselves.

For all intensive purposes #1 is dead.

Those same Muslim producers are the only people alive today making #3, and only KL (Kuala Lampur) and one other Malaysian city has any #3.

#3 usually has aside from almost50% caffeine, strychine and quinine (both for flavour), and barbitone (for potentiation). In days past you would also see dyes like "Red Rooster" brand in HK, or "Grey Pearl" in Kowloon, and Macau, etc. Today, just white pieces about as big as a piece of uncooked white rice, looks just like rice in fact.

Today, #4 in the Us is almost always Colombian white to brown poweder, usually darker coloured because Colombians are sloppy cooks. By and by they are terrible but at least they make #4, right? Still, they adulterate it even before selling it down the first step of the ladder and that just shows their pure and utter contempt for their product. It would be one thing if they were whacking it with lactose, etc. but they pout all kinds of weird things in it and if I could ever help it I would never touch that crap without recooking it.


The best today? SE Asians and their #4. Even there it is a dying art, sad to say. Everyone wants that profit. Do you know what the Double O stamp says in Chinese? In Cantonese it means "Best Untouched Brand" and used to mean you had the best thing going. Now everyone is using whatever they want but wait, I sound like the old man I am becoming.

Anyway, the OP wishes to know what he/she has in Chicago. Chicago is the one area in the US where they have ALL forms. To see if you have #2, take 1/4th od a dose, put it in a cooker, add 2 to 4 CC water, stir. Observe it, is it cloudy? Heat it. If you have #2 it will not cook it will just begin to gel like a "blob" in the cooker. It needs an acidic catalyst, citric works wonders. If you want to see how good it is, put the same amount on a piece of foil, heat under neat the foil, not directly but apply the flame about an inch under the foil. Watch it cook. Does it run? Let it harden if so. If it runs it is #2, and when it hardens take a good look. the clearer it is the better your product. The darker the worse, ie.e less pure the product really is.

With #4, do the cooker test again and observe it. Good #4 needs only half the water of any form and NO heat at all. You drop it in the body of the syringe, etc. already filled with water, and do not even need to shake it as the solubility is excellent.

If you want to do a bit more accurate assay do a MP test, etc. These are just to find which form you have.

Finally, #2 should always be fine for insufflating as long as it is very fine consistency. Make sure it is finely pwodered. Your nasal mucous will adjust the pH naturally. You only need the acid for injection. It also smokes perfectly without caffeine so that it is another benefit.

Duck: Those #5 viials are standard in Bangkok ever since those days. I was getting them for , last time, about 45 US in Baht, with 1.2 grams per vial #4 no adulteration. Great stuff. Red Top is better though!



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12-26-2008 09:51 AM#28




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Re: Heroin 1,2,3,4



"Colour of Heroin"

The analogy I like to use is the following...

If I had a 6 pack of beer and then urinated into a bottle it would be clear as the best water iin the world. If I took the best water in the world anf filled a 2nd bottle with it, and then dropped in 2 drops of yellow food colouring and then left on a table for thirst workers which bottle would they choose? They would choose Bottle #1, the "beer bottle."

Think about it, that is what "colour" means. It means nothing.

"Why do people prefer brown or darker coloured heroin?": They did not until the mid 90s and only then in some places. The reason THEN was because they ignorantly believed/believe that because the purer product was brown (i.e. dark) it could not be effectively adulterated without making it much lighter. I.E. anything "Dark" meant that it was closer to the source.

However, all one has to do is put lactose in a stove for a good 45 to 120 seconds on the lowest setting to have it turn brown and stay powder. Take it out, regrind, mix, and voila, VERY dark powdered product even with the whitest heroin. It is a fool's game. Edcuate yourselves.

As we talked about in the "East Coast Stamp" thread in "Scene" forum, heroin and morphine are naturally chocolate brown and are lightened through a simple chemical process. The problem though is that Colombians rarely if ever care to take the 2 hours needed to make it white as driven snow. All it is is Activated Carbon (i.e. charcoal).

Heroin-1-2-3-4 Opiophile

Tryptamine Just another little bit of Trivia. On the US Eastern Seaboard, heroin is called "Diesel"- mostly #4 Colombian. West of the Mississippi and in Ohio you get Mexican Tar. This is called dope, stuff, black, Chiva, and Chai. Chicago like Ohio is an exception to the Mississippi river rule. Here one finds Colombian # 4 and Mexican Tar. To a much lesser extent Afghani and SE Asian dope is also available but I'm not sure what the current availability is.

The rumor is that trafficking syndicates made a deal to make the Mississippi river as a line of demarcation through mutual agreements. In times passed, Cocaine, in general was prevalent in the East. In the west, CA and Hawaii in particular, methamphetamines were the predominate stimulant. But as the nexus of cocaine importation moved from Florida's Dade county (Miami area) to Los Angeles, the availability of Cocaine increased on the west coast. This became particularly true as crack hit the scene- a brainchild of 2 Nicaraguans with the tacit approval and complicity of the Reagan administration to import cocaine and market it in South Central LA to raise gun money for the Contras. Meth has proliferated into other markets but to this day it is somewhat rare on the cocaine dominated east coast. But I digress.

Anyway, tar is very suitable for smoking. The worst tasted sickly sweet and burned the back of my throat leaving alot of residue on the foil. Good dope had a vinegar taste. This was a result of contamination by glacial acetic acid (as opposed to AA) used in the production process. This left a light black trail with very little to no particulate material. The best tar tasted like enticingly bitter medicine mixed with a pleasant, almost floral taste. This left a light grey trail and melted easily with absolutely no residue.
 
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Excellent post Jspun. Thanks man.

I always thought U.K gear was #3, but if that's the case then we needn't use citric for IV use?

Think about it , with the amount of cut you need the cit just to dissolve that if nothing else.

I remember the 1st time i had a Hit & we didn't use any citric probably wasted quite a bit but it was a ten bag & two of us still got royally fuked up on it that was about 18 years ago .
God knows what half a ten bag of todays street gear would do without citric ?
 
Thanks Jspun I have tried to explain a number of times the different types of gear ...and that tar is not really heroin because of the high mam content (burn off the acetic, it creates huge plumes of smoke as it it burns off yer left with nice smokeable gear).Uk has #3 and the cut is normally 30% caffeine sometimes higher but these days who knows.
when we 1st hitting up we use to use lemon juice - for a few years, never made me blind or any one else i knew.
still payin silly money for bags but at least i gouch after 1 or 2.
laptop back in action so should post a bit more often.
 
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