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that's total crap - sexual goals? like you have a check list? Lol OK me too BUT it's not a deal breaker if a girl I'm seeing says she isn't up for a threesome but I see her in every other way as totally my type - she can be convinced! The power of teh mind is infinite lol.

I find it hilarious you find that so fundamental. it's a sexual fantasy, not fidelity in a committed relationship - you juvenile joker!

I don't participate in or respect the terms of monogamy... committed relationship or not. If you're into voyeurism, exhibitionism, and group play then you're never going to have a satisfying sex life without other people in the long run.
 
To answer your question, Coolio.. The girl continued to date the guy because she was young and knew absolutely nothing about human relationships. And he was older, and devious and sneaky enough to brainwash her into believing that it is normal and even healthy for him to want other women. Also, she loved him and, due to being extremely inexperienced, hoped that he will change one day...
This was an historical example - the couple in question split up a long time ago.

It is normal and healthy to want threesomes, and it is also normal and healthy not to want them. Neither choice is inherently evil, a pathology, or otherwise wrong. That being said, if the two people can not come to agreement on the issue, it is probably better to part ways, a least in terms of a sexual relationship/romance.

Another couple. Bf is a rock climber. Gf had never climbed until she met him, wasn't really into it, but enjoyed it occasionally, when she was in the mood. On her days off work, gf wakes up and finds out that they're going climbing that day and she has no say in it. All her attempts to reason with bf completely fail. Gf has her own interests that she would care to pursue in her spare time. Bf insists that his interest is the only worthwhile thing anybody can do one's their spare time.

Well, the fact he is forcing you to give up your time to do any activity you do not want to do, is a bit unfair. He is thus making your suffering (in the broad meaning of the word) the means to his end of rockclimbing Refuse? just be like fuck you bro, I are doing <whatever> instead"

Or again, if you two share so many divides, it may be prudent and result in more happiness for both of you to part ways...
 
To answer your question, Coolio.. The girl continued to date the guy because she was young and knew absolutely nothing about human relationships. And he was older, and devious and sneaky enough to brainwash her into believing that it is normal and even healthy for him to want other women. Also, she loved him and, due to being extremely inexperienced, hoped that he will change one day...
This was an historical example - the couple in question split up a long time ago.
I never saw this - lass why is it not normal and healthy to want other women? We are mammals, and therefore are all naturally polysexual and polyamorous to an extent. It's just society has trained us to think that this sorta behaviour is not acceptable (apart from you will never see the bigwigs giving a shit - it's for the layman this kinda social conditioning rule).

Just coz he is older and can manipulate her mind a bit does not mean it is bad - she would not let him do this if she was totally against it - it shows openmindedness, which is a valuable quality.

If I am going to make a commitment to someone, then we will make some rules together - and that is OK. But what if I don't want a monoamorous relationship? I need to find a mate who will accept what I do want, and that sometimes I will want to share some sexual intimacy with other people - variety is the spice of life, after all.

Fair enough if this isn't what you want, but you can't hope that someone will change their ways. You need to push it if you want to keep them, push their boundaries a lil, see where they are, and if they freak a bit, then work out together what they will not compromise on, and work out if you still wanna be seeing this person in a sexual way.

Like me for instance - I want to go into a relationship or marriage with my partner knowing that I look elsewhere, but not in her company. That I am attrracted to other people, but that right now she is the only person I want to spend my life with. I want her to know and realize that I am a human and I am capable of making mistakes, and that I only have a certain amount of restraint - so I will try not to fuck anyone else when I am with them (unless it's agreed I/we can do that), but I won't feel guilty or bad if I do it - because it's natural. That being said - I would also talk, when making these boundaries, about if I did slip up whether they would want to know or not.

That way - you can control the situation as much as possible. You cannot control how you feel about something until it happens, but if you let things open up a little, and not be so rigid, then you most likely won't feel awful and hurt and angry and bitter if your partner sleeps with someone else and you're told/find out about it.

OP - I feel like I a m derailing somewhat BUT you haven't returned with a more illuminating post, so this should at least all shed light on what us males are like as a collective.

Peace
 
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Or again, if you two share so many divides, it may be prudent and result in more happiness for both of you to part ways...

That's what it came down to in the end, all for the best :)

I never saw this - lass why is it not normal and healthy to want other women? We are mammals, and therefore are all naturally polysexual and polyamorous to an extent. It's just society has trained us to think that this sorta behaviour is not acceptable (apart from you will never see the bigwigs giving a shit - it's for the layman this kinda social conditioning rule).

My bad, I didn't explain the situation properly to begin with. I agree that looking at other people is normal and healthy - to an extent. It's an inevitable urge in both men and women - to continuously seek out breeding partners. It goes back to our primal beginnings. However by "to an extent", I mean the point when the male in question starts to bend the rules of common decency and respect for one's partner. When he sees a female specimen he likes (walking down the street, for example), he would point her out to his gf, discuss what he likes, comment on what he would like to do to her. This would occur at least several times a day, pretty much whenever a good-looking girl walked past. And if that didn't make his gf uncomfortable enough, he would refer to the female as an "it" throughout his whole commentary. So, by "want other women", I meant that he didn't just want them quietly, in his own thoughts - it was a constant narrative.
 
I've found that the most fulfilling relationships come when you aren't chasing one. Forget about guys, spend your time working on yourself, and once you're content with your situation it'll be easier to find what you're looking for. I can't say I've ever seen someone that unhappy and stressed about the opposite sex find a relationship that worked out well for them.

They should put that shit on a fukn coffee mug.

God, it's a lifetime of truth in a paragraph right there. I don't believe in karma or anything like that. I've lost all that spiritual stuff, but it is really strange how it all plays out like that. When you're on your game and focusing on you, I suppose you give off this strong vibe of confidence and security that other people pick up and someone is compelled to talk to you.

Women are usually raised to get married and have kids, so I think it's more difficult for women to accept being alone and how awesome it is to focus on you 24/7 and be all about your own success. We're raised to think that babies and marriage or men will complete us, which is why I think we have a really hard time with insecurities when we are younger. It's still looked down on when a woman plays the field versus a man. Once you get rid of all of that nonsense in your head, you realize that working on you without the hassles of kids and a husband is fulfilling and then when you find someone who ADDS to that instead of COMPLETING you, it's like you have a friend for life and someone who enhances you rather than someone you need for personal fulfillment.
 
That's what it came down to in the end, all for the best :)



My bad, I didn't explain the situation properly to begin with. I agree that looking at other people is normal and healthy - to an extent. It's an inevitable urge in both men and women - to continuously seek out breeding partners. It goes back to our primal beginnings. However by "to an extent", I mean the point when the male in question starts to bend the rules of common decency and respect for one's partner. When he sees a female specimen he likes (walking down the street, for example), he would point her out to his gf, discuss what he likes, comment on what he would like to do to her. This would occur at least several times a day, pretty much whenever a good-looking girl walked past. And if that didn't make his gf uncomfortable enough, he would refer to the female as an "it" throughout his whole commentary. So, by "want other women", I meant that he didn't just want them quietly, in his own thoughts - it was a constant narrative.
sounds like an ass. Probably hates himself when he looks drunkenly in the mirror.

I've found that the most fulfilling relationships come when you aren't chasing one. Forget about guys, spend your time working on yourself, and once you're content with your situation it'll be easier to find what you're looking for. I can't say I've ever seen someone that unhappy and stressed about the opposite sex find a relationship that worked out well for them.

They should put that shit on a fukn coffee mug.

I just read this. That's some real talk right there - I have found that when I'm not looking for women I always find them after me. Concentrate on upping your game and those positive vibes just attract people - magnetism styles

OP - here you go.enjoy
 
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Women are usually raised to get married and have kids, so I think it's more difficult for women to accept being alone and how awesome it is to focus on you 24/7 and be all about your own success. We're raised to think that babies and marriage or men will complete us, which is why I think we have a really hard time with insecurities when we are younger. It's still looked down on when a woman plays the field versus a man. Once you get rid of all of that nonsense in your head, you realize that working on you without the hassles of kids and a husband is fulfilling and then when you find someone who ADDS to that instead of COMPLETING you, it's like you have a friend for life and someone who enhances you rather than someone you need for personal fulfillment.

AMEN!

sounds like an ass. Probably hates himself when he looks drunkenly in the mirror.
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OP - here you go.enjoy

I definitely hope so.
And - hahahahahaha - too right, that's the kind of woman he was trying to mould. Absolutely sickening.

I agree - nothing attracts people more than confidence :)
 
I only like one guy at a time sexually. I expect a guy to only be sexually interested in me. Otherwise there wont be anything between us. I don't like sharing sexual partners and should never feel obligated to just to do the weird new thing everyone is doing. If a guy needs to bring someone else into the picture to be happy he's "just not that into you". In this world though, people are far too selfish to commit and let themselves become vulnerable to another person. I don't mean to speak out against those who wish to experiment with different sexual partners, but this is never going to become an acceptable part of my life. (In fact I have chosen to be single and sex deprived because of the selfishness of others).
 
I find this interesting but I've notice that many women I know are extremely distraught by the fact they have limited success with guys, whereas most guys I know who have very limited success with women seem quite able to sublimate their desires and focus their energies towards hobbies instead (usually of the uber-nerdy variety). I'm not sure if it's in our genetic make up or if it's a matter of societal expectations... certainly a woman's biological clock ticks faster and perhaps they feel a greater sense of urgency because of it.

There's no question that for a lot of people caring less is the quickest route to psychological/emotional well-being when they're hung up over the mating/dating game. If that doesn't seem possible then I'd certainly suggest educating oneself. Try to find ways to be a better judge of character so you hook up with fewer douche-bags, or learn how to attract the kind of dude you really want, etc. I find many people lack caution and let lust be their primary guide in who they have romantic/sexual relations with... lust is good but not sufficient in itself. Food for thought.
 
I find this interesting but I've notice that many women I know are extremely distraught by the fact they have limited success with guys, whereas most guys I know who have very limited success with women seem quite able to sublimate their desires and focus their energies towards hobbies instead (usually of the uber-nerdy variety). I'm not sure if it's in our genetic make up or if it's a matter of societal expectations... certainly a woman's biological clock ticks faster and perhaps they feel a greater sense of urgency because of it.

Yeah when they ding 35, it's pretty much their last chance for a baby.
 
I find this interesting but I've notice that many women I know are extremely distraught by the fact they have limited success with guys, whereas most guys I know who have very limited success with women seem quite able to sublimate their desires and focus their energies towards hobbies instead (usually of the uber-nerdy variety). I'm not sure if it's in our genetic make up or if it's a matter of societal expectations... certainly a woman's biological clock ticks faster and perhaps they feel a greater sense of urgency because of it.

It's because women are still taught that being married and having babies are a part of their self-worth.

Although, I have to say that after dating men who have never been married and are older than 35 has taught me that it's a red flag. It's probably a red flag for women too. I don't know why, because I'm OK dating a guy in his 30s who has never been married and has no kids, but really, I find that it's a reflection on why they are single. I'm sure it's the same for women.

ETA: edited that age to 35ish. Sometimes men decide to settle down at 30, but if they have never been married or have any kids after 35, it's a big red flag.
 
You had all of these posts when the OP wasn't even clearly stating what the problem, is. Interesting how you make up advice by pulling the loose ends of a non non-specific concept that congratulate each-other.


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