Misc Questions about nitrous

[homiepidgeon]

So recently I've started using nitrous after being very curious about it for a while. I really like it but I have a few questions. I've heard of people exhaling back into the balloon and inhaling again, I haven't been able to do that, I use a punch balloon and it's pretty thick, it's like I can't exhale into it. I've also heard about people having hallucinations from just n2o and nothing else as well, auditory and CEV, I haven't had any of these, am I doing something wrong? Thanks.

 

[sekio]

I haven't been able to do that, I use a punch balloon and it's pretty thick, it's like I can't exhale into it.

That's because the nitrous oxide dissolves in your blood rather rapidly - there's not much gas left in your lungs for you to exhale. Don't do this, anyway... you're just going to deprive your body of oxygen.

I've also heard about people having hallucinations from just n2o and nothing else as well, auditory and CEV, I haven't had any of these, am I doing something wrong? Thanks.

Normally it's dose related, hallucinations don't happen after just one balloon. But at the same time you don't want to pass out from oxygen deprivation.

In dentistry nitrous oxide is mixed with oxygen for continuous inhilation, and that's where most people get their vivid nitrous experiences from. Directly inhaling large amounts of nitrous oxide with no oxygen in it will asphixyate you so don't do it!

Perhaps alternate between lungfuls of nitrous and lungfuls of air in a relatively quick succession until you get where you want to be? Make sure to have a spotter in case you pass out.

 

[homiepidgeon]

I've only used about 10 8g chargers by the way.

 

[homiepidgeon]

Okay, I won't exhale into the balloon, seemed like a bad idea to begin with. I've worked out a system so that I get a lot of nitrous, but at the same time I get the oxygen I need. So how many lungfuls would it take for a 150 lb person to start experiencing hallucinations and how do people keep themselves at that point? I don't think I would be able to work the cracker after effects take hold.

 

[DickTate]

If you are into weed simply smoke some before doing the N2O. It will intensify the CEVs and OEVs and is better than taking more Nitrous. I also hate exhaling back because it feels very unpleasant. My tactic is to inhale the N2O and hold it pretty long, then exhale it and inhale oxygen slowly. This always blasts my mind with the typical "I found the solution to all!" experience

Nitrous is fun but don't overdo it because of potential Vitamin B12 depletion.

 

[homiepidgeon]

Yeah, I smoke weed. I smoked about .25g of mids then used a charger, it was pretty intense but no hallucinations at all, may have been because it was an hour after I smoked and I had eaten after smoking. I shall try again. I won't overdo it either, I have a lot of self control. I plan on buying some methylcobalamin b12 and some folic acid to combat the b12 depletion.

 

[THC2LSD]

I've heard of people exhaling back into the balloon and inhaling again

I think that huffing method is pointless and weaker. It's not a bag of glue, it's a gas. Breathing into the balloon leaves moisture which can freeze and weaken the balloon. Also if someone's sick they can easily spread what they have if the balloon is shared.

Holding it gives a longer time for the nitrous to be absorbed. I hold it for about 10-20 seconds. There's still some N2O left after so I blow it back into a balloon for another weaker hit. The third hit still has a little bit left but it's almost not worth it and anything after is pointless.

I haven't been able to do that, I use a punch balloon and it's pretty thick, it's like I can't exhale into it.

I know with the first couple uses or so the balloon is pretty rigid, it needs to stretch out a little. No offense, but maybe you lung strength isn't that good. Maybe you should breath with your diaphragm, cut back on smoking, do some cardio or yoga, if you don't already do any of these already.

I've also heard about people having hallucinations from just n2o and nothing else as well, auditory and CEV, I haven't had any of these, am I doing something wrong?

It isn't like tripping on acid or the media portrayal of a trip, but shit will seem different. It gets kind of blurry, a little distorted visually, not like acid, but you should have auditory effects like "wa wa wa" and trippy mindset with euphoria and a sense of deja-vu.

So how many lungfuls would it take for a 150 lb person to start experiencing hallucinations

It only takes me one 8 gram charger. That's the most my poor lungs can hold. Some athletic individuals can hold 2-3 chargers at once. Wise I had those lungs.

and how do people keep themselves at that point?

They try in vain and end up going through a case of whippets.

I don't think I would be able to work the cracker after effects take hold.

You can fill the balloon with more than one whippet. Just fill the first hit, pinch or twist the balloon shut to hold the N2O in, load a hit, screw up, release balloon, crack, and repeat if desired. You can also use a whip cream or soda dispenser to load more whippets. Although they have a pressure release valve that makes you lose anywhere from a little to a lot of N20, depending on the size, make, and number of chargers used. More chargers=more N2O released out to the air. But at the same time the greater pressure the N2O is under seems to make it more potent than a balloon.

I plan on buying some methylcobalamin b12 and some folic acid to combat the b12 depletion.

B12 requires an absorption factor in the gut that can only absorb so much B12. After a certain amount the B12 absorption factor gets overwhelmed and the rest is wasted. Some have claimed that sublingually or mega doses may overcome the limitation of the b12 factor, but AFAIK the only way that's proven to get it into the system in higher doses is from injection or sprayed into the nose. Methionine, folic acid and B6 might also be helpful, especially the methionine. I wonder if the more common SAMe could be used in place of methionine?

Even if you take all that shit, I don't think it's proven to prevent b12 deficiency induced by current N2O use. I've read about using injected B12, sometimes with methionine, to treat a patient suffering from nitrous-induced b12 deficiency after they stopped using in the hospital, but not during. The problem is the nitrous oxidizes the B12. It's there, just useless. What I wondered is that even if you shot up b12 twice a day would the new b12 just get destroyed?

 

[Jabberwocky]

Perhaps alternate between lungfuls of nitrous and lungfuls of air in a relatively quick succession until you get where you want to be? Make sure to have a spotter in case you pass out.

in case? i always thought that was kinda par for the course. we'd always sit down and make sure our heads were good before inhaling (we inflated gloves from dental office wall-taps).
would always get (quick, but intense) CEV/auditory hallucinations, like every single time. but apparently was doing it wrong if quick passouts aren't actually supposed to be part of taking nitrous lol.
EDIT: now that I think about it, we would just turn on the nitrous tanks before doing this in a closed office - maybe we were not turning on the oxygen and that's why passing out / reliable hallucinations were par for our sessions..

 

[oxycoma]

Keep in mind that the people describing hallucinations, in almost every case, will have had access to a commercial grade n2o tank as in a dentist's office. A punch balloon will hold 3-4 standard chargers, far from the amount of nitrous you would need to start experiencing full on auditory/visual hallucinations unlike the typical auditory nitrous effects. A cracker also makes the process cumbersome so if you don't have access to a larger tank at least get one of the whipped cream dispensers used to make traditional whipped cream with an n2o charger. You can do away with the balloon entirely and inhale it directly off of the dispenser, plus they don't get ridiculously cold and you can swap in a new charger very easily.

 

[homiepidgeon]

I smoked about 0.25 g of mids (low tolerance) again today and used 4 chargers. I had what I believe to be CEV's but I can't say for sure if they were as I have never done a real hallucinogen other than low doses of DXM, no CEV's on the DXM. I would describe the "CEV's" as closing my eyes and seeing kaleidoscopic patterns of colors (I've had the same experiences on high doses of spice), they weren't super detailed from what I remember but I was pretty dazed and focusing hard on the music I was listening to, N2O made the music very intense, it was euphoric to listen to but no auditory hallucinations. So here comes the big noob question, were those hallucinations, I don't have a ton of experience to go on with this?

 

[THC2LSD]

I smoked about 0.25 g of mids (low tolerance) again today and used 4 chargers.

Did you take all four in one breath, back to back, or kind of spaced out?

I had what I believe to be CEV's but I can't say for sure if they were as I have never done a real hallucinogen other than low doses of DXM, no CEV's on the DXM.

If you've never done real psychedelics then how do you know how hallucination are suppose to look like? It's like a virgin who has never spanked it asking what an orgasms like. DXM and spice aren't good representatives for psychedelics. IMO dissociatives have more in common with other hard drugs than with stuff like LSD. Although the media, government and even the medical community(surprise8)) calls all of them hallucinogens(and they like to lump PCP with shrooms), it's usually not like real hallucinations like you'd sometimes get from schizophrenia. Shit's different, weirder, hilarious and distorted but at the same if you stay calm and don't buy the propaganda you'll know it's not real and it will end. Set and Setting.

I too was kind of disappointed that acid didn't make me see pink elephants and shit, but I fucking loved it. I'd say that the best part of a trip isn't the pretty visuals, but the mind trip where the thoughts are racing, connections and patterns are seen, giddiness, and a state of ecstasy as described by the prophets and saints of the past. Reality comes at you unfiltered, sometimes a bit to much.

...focusing hard on the music I was listening to, N2O made the music very intense, it was euphoric to listen to but no auditory hallucinations.

N2O is great for enhancing music.

So here comes the big noob question, were those hallucinations

If you didn't perceive something totally not real without outside stimuli, then no, you did not see hallucinations like with schizophrenia or datura.

 

[homiepidgeon]

The 4 chargers were spaced out over about 15-20. I'm sorry but I don't understand exactly what you are saying when you talk about hallucinations, could you rephrase, sorry. Are you saying you have to be schizophrenic to hallucinate lol?

 

[THC2LSD]

No, other conditions and drugs can cause real hallucination, but IME a lot of drugs called hallucinogens don't really give real hallucinations. It's more distortions and illusions of what's already there. You know the walls aren't breathing, that the trees aren't smiling and waving at you, and the world really isn't melting.Well, at least at moderate doses. I'd liken it to watching clouds and seeing objects, only for everything. Watching the clouds is still fuck amazing tripping. What I call real hallucinations are where you see shit that's totally not real. Some drugs, like jimson weed, or conditions like psychosis, can cause real hallucinations that seem real.

I don't find N2O particularly visual, even doing 4 chargers back to back. More of auditory and mind trip. No "kaleidoscope eyes".

 

[DexterMeth]

I think that huffing method is pointless and weaker. It's not a bag of glue, it's a gas. Breathing into the balloon leaves moisture which can freeze and weaken the balloon. Also if someone's sick they can easily spread what they have if the balloon is shared.

Holding it gives a longer time for the nitrous to be absorbed. I hold it for about 10-20 seconds. There's still some N2O left after so I blow it back into a balloon for another weaker hit. The third hit still has a little bit left but it's almost not worth it and anything after is pointless.I know with the first couple uses or so the balloon is pretty rigid, it needs to stretch out a little. No offense, but maybe you lung strength isn't that good. Maybe you should breath with your diaphragm, cut back on smoking, do some cardio or yoga, if you don't already do any of these already. It isn't like tripping on acid or the media portrayal of a trip, but shit will seem different. It gets kind of blurry, a little distorted visually, not like acid, but you should have auditory effects like "wa wa wa" and trippy mindset with euphoria and a sense of deja-vu.It only takes me one 8 gram charger. That's the most my poor lungs can hold. Some athletic individuals can hold 2-3 chargers at once. Wise I had those lungs.They try in vain and end up going through a case of whippets. You can fill the balloon with more than one whippet. Just fill the first hit, pinch or twist the balloon shut to hold the N2O in, load a hit, screw up, release balloon, crack, and repeat if desired. You can also use a whip cream or soda dispenser to load more whippets. Although they have a pressure release valve that makes you lose anywhere from a little to a lot of N20, depending on the size, make, and number of chargers used. More chargers=more N2O released out to the air. But at the same time the greater pressure the N2O is under seems to make it more potent than a balloon.B12 requires an absorption factor in the gut that can only absorb so much B12. After a certain amount the B12 absorption factor gets overwhelmed and the rest is wasted. Some have claimed that sublingually or mega doses may overcome the limitation of the b12 factor, but AFAIK the only way that's proven to get it into the system in higher doses is from injection or sprayed into the nose. Methionine, folic acid and B6 might also be helpful, especially the methionine. I wonder if the more common SAMe could be used in place of methionine?

Even if you take all that shit, I don't think it's proven to prevent b12 deficiency induced by current N2O use. I've read about using injected B12, sometimes with methionine, to treat a patient suffering from nitrous-induced b12 deficiency after they stopped using in the hospital, but not during. The problem is the nitrous oxidizes the B12. It's there, just useless. What I wondered is that even if you shot up b12 twice a day would the new b12 just get destroyed?

I don't see how intravenous and intranasal b-12 would make any much more of a difference than sublingual.

 

[sekio]

B-12 is very poorly absorbed through mucosa and the gut, there's a reason IV/IM B12 is a thing

 

[DexterMeth]

I guess I could more than double up on my sublingual B-12. Been at 2,500mcg (well, what is in the pill, not absorbed) for a few months.

 

[avcpl]

I thought B-12 deficiency was only if you used fairly regularly, not just occasionally?

Anyway, to the OP, I'll share what I do step by step. It may work for you but it may not but it works swimmingly for me!

1. Smoke a LOT of weed (.5g for me).
2. Wait for it to kick in (in about 45min from start for me)
3. Fill punch balloon with two 8g chargers and pinch balloon closed
4. Sit comfortably, breath normal
5. Exhale all air out of lungs
6. Inhale from balloon, filling lungs
7. Hold it in! hold it, hold it,
8. Exhale
9. Breath in from balloon again
10. Hold it!
11. Exhale
12. Breath in full lungful of air as normal
13. Exhale
14. Breath in air as normal
15. Whammo (this is when it hits)
16. Bonus step: pinch your nipples while it hits--fucking orgasmic (lol)

If you get a chance try it with MDMA, it's even better and also with try weed + MDMA + N2O

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

Try inhaling some of it on a low dose of mushrooms, or just when you're heavily stoned. It makes things sort of trippy and mixes well with herb and/or mushrooms. Your hearing might be affected, and you'll laugh a lot. I've never had a spiritual experience from it but I've never had huge doses of it either. I had med grade before when I was getting my highly impacted wisdom teeth taken out and it just made me laugh and my hearing changed a bit and then I passed out from the IV of valium they gave me and woke up hours later at home in bed after the surgery. I'd like to try inhaing it on LSD sometime. As others have said make sure you breathe in the air.

It worked for me and I didn't have a tank of med grade, or a cracker; but I just used whipped cream cans. Unless you're doing A LOT of n2o like going through a lot of whip-its at all at once as it's possible to do since I have friends who did this, you won't get a b-12 deficiency but if you're worried about it take a b12/b-vitamin supplement or eat foods that have lots of b12 in them like fish and eggs.

 

[homiepidgeon]

I smoked again two nights ago, same amount as before, did 12 chargers this time. I had what I am pretty sure are CEV's again but I couldn't focus on them very much as I was in a room with friends listening to music. It was really amazing, it is a feeling I can't really describe. I had my eyes closed for a couple seconds and saw this nice sort of desert scenery, it wasn't very detailed though, kind of blank like you'd expect a plain to be, but pretty cool. Towards the end I was alternating between sitting and laying on the floor rubbing my face on my girlfriends hand, it felt really incredible.

 

[homiepidgeon]

I keep giving reports on how the highs go but I forgot to mention, I bought liquid, sub-lingual vitamin b complex with b12 (20,000% daily recommended value XD) I also bought some folic acid so I believe that covers the supplements I'll need.