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worried about a friend.. -LSD

Sen5i

Sen5i

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okay im worried it is LSD related, he seems to beleive its not but, im pretty sure it could be, ive never had the drug myself but i do want to try i, so got nothing against it or anything, 7-8 months ago he used to party alot, and he made a LIQUID LSD bottle last him around 6 months but was taking it everynow n then just cupple of drops,

7-8 months past, of being soba
but he still smokes weed? but i said carry on smokeing the weed or as if you stop it could be worse i dont know?
but he is paranoid and thinks people are trying to poisen him all the time, all the food/water he has he says tastes diffrent like poisin, he refuses to eat most things, he things alot of people are against him finds it really hard to trust people. he barely socializes anymore, im really worried :( i always talk to him to try keep him company but its not good :( i want him to be ok, will this ever wear off? im worried for his health thankyoou :( x
 
Is there a question here or do you just need a friend to talk to?

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Sorry, that was rude. You question is impossible to answer on a forum like this. Best thing is try to be his friend and talk to him and let him know you are concerned about him as a person.

Hope that helps.
 
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I think the question was if LSD is the cause for his behavior - unfortunately theres no way for us to be able to answer that for you, we dont know your friend, or possible issues he might have.
 
Especially if he is smoking the stronger strains of weed, the ones grown specifically for a high THC content have less CBD which counter acts with the THC making the more relaxed and gentle high. Apparently if T.V doesn't lie, tests have shown smoking pure THC compared to a THC / CBD combo has a massive increase in paranoia instead of people staying melow.

Also SPdemon420 says the effects of LSD could cause any sort of changes to the brain, its totally changed my out look on everything from taking it often, and any series of events could make up a ton of reasons for whats happening.
 
Zedoric said:
Also SPdemon420 says the effects of LSD could cause any sort of changes to the brain, its totally changed my out look on everything from taking it often, and any series of events could make up a ton of reasons for whats happening.
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I think you mistyped a bit there, and meant "Also as* SPDemon420 says"- That wasnt exactly what I was getting at, however, its definitely known that psychedelics cant bring out latent mental issues in some, or make whatever mental/emotional issues they had until that point worse. (which is more what I meant, we dont know if your friend had mental/emotional problems before this)
 
^Yes. Psychedelic drugs can trigger psychosis in people. Especially when there is family history of mental illness such as schizophrenia. A single use can trigger dormant mental illnesses, but that is not exclusive to LSD. It is also possible that your friend had underlying emotional or mental disturbances that happened to come out at a coincidental time. I have family members that have stated the exact things your friend has (poisoning of food/water etc) and my best advice would be that you remain a supportive friend and encourage the person to speak to a mental health professional. Best of luck!
 
yes i dont think cannabis can help, no help at all. i think he has become paranoid and needs lot of time and reassurance from a friend to help him through it
 
Sounds like a schizophrenic break triggered by the use of LSD. People who are exhibiting paranoid delusion often feel they are being poisoned, pathways in the brain can actually change as a result of schizophrenia cause senses to blend and become distorted, in many cases this fuels the delusion of others trying to poison them because to them the food they are eating may taste like "poison".

Also the social withdrawal is a bit of a red flag. Let your friend know he or she should be evaluated by a psychiatric doctor. they will be able to tell you far more than anyone on these forums.
 
His drug use has unleashed a dormant mental illness. It sounds very much (exactly?) like psychosis.

Try to search the internet for ways to help him or diminish his psychotic tendencies. If you believe you cannot help him, find someone who can. A mental health facility might be your best option.

First things first: He needs to sober up completely. I've heard cases of minor psychosis where sobriety completely reversed symptoms. It's definitely worth a shot. I would then try really hard to socialize with him and try to get him out and about.
 
*samsonite* said:
^Yes. Psychedelic drugs can trigger psychosis in people. Especially when there is family history of mental illness such as schizophrenia. A single use can trigger dormant mental illnesses, but that is not exclusive to LSD. It is also possible that your friend had underlying emotional or mental disturbances that happened to come out at a coincidental time. I have family members that have stated the exact things your friend has (poisoning of food/water etc) and my best advice would be that you remain a supportive friend and encourage the person to speak to a mental health professional. Best of luck!
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^^ this. - thats what I was trying to say, but samsonite put it in much clearer terms.
 
It's likely, as people said, that it was dormant and the psychedelics brought out this issue. Happened to a friend of mine, began with intense looping on psychedelic and real conspiracy thoughts. It then proceeded to a full blown psychosis complete with hallucinations and extreme, extreme paranoia. Unfortunately, despite our best efforts we were unable to stop my friend taking the drugs, while it seemed to die down a little to those who were meeting the person for the first time it's clear that there is definitely irreversible damage.

Whole 1000 yard stare, weird rambling, etc, etc. At that point all you can do is weigh out whether that person is in danger to themselves or others, if so you need to take action and have someone provide them help. Otherwise it's also the question as to whether they should live as they are, crazy but content or on a daily cocktail of drugs that will make them a shadow of who they were before (when that is what they already are).
 
well he does as ive recently read it could be the weed but like ontop of the use of lsd? he wont see a doctor he refuses what he sees is real.
 
*samsonite* said:
^Yes. Psychedelic drugs can trigger psychosis in people. Especially when there is family history of mental illness such as schizophrenia. A single use can trigger dormant mental illnesses, but that is not exclusive to LSD. It is also possible that your friend had underlying emotional or mental disturbances that happened to come out at a coincidental time. I have family members that have stated the exact things your friend has (poisoning of food/water etc) and my best advice would be that you remain a supportive friend and encourage the person to speak to a mental health professional. Best of luck!
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ahh so its the weed then, thats no good! i didnt know it could be that dangerous, well i knew the stronger strains was never good along with some of the chemically stuff going around, he also dont wanna go to his supplier anymore because of tht weed tht is poisen but he wants to quit, i feel for him i always give him reassurence n tell him his friends want him around n everything , he thinks his friends are thinking he is a bad person all the time and tht he will never be happy again, he hasnt took any other drugs for 7-8 months just weed i dont know what to say though because he beleives he dont need a doctor, and tht everything he tastes is real and is his reality. tht he sees it diffrent to others n that everytthing is fake, and people have got into his brain trying to torture him, but theres nothing to torture him for his a totally lovely person! he lives 4 hours drive from me its kinda hard to trek down there but i would if i had the money! i wish he just came to his senses again :( i want him to be able to socialize again without him thinking everyone doesent like him.

would it be wrong for me to recomend him to a health profeshional person? ive been thinking about it but i dont know if that would make me bad? x
 
Sen5i said:
would it be wrong for me to recomend him to a health profeshional person? ive been thinking about it but i dont know if that would make me bad? x
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It wouldnt make you a bad person, in fact it would be the complete opposite- you're being compassionate and want the best for someone you care about - but what Never Knows Best said is dead on - you need to figure out how best to help them, and, if that is your choice - be ready to accept the consequences that come with it. You need to ask yourself if its worth it to you to see a friend get better, but lose that friendship. Its a hard place to be in regardless. There is also no guarantee he would get better, or even except the help if you made that choice. You can only force treatment on someone if they are an imminent danger to themselves or others, so in the end, unless hes trying to hurt himself or others, its still going to be his choice to get help in the end.
 
You might try....

"How do you know what poison tastes like?

...Are you trying to poison me???!!!!" (begin ultimate fear look- big eyes, half open mouth, trembling... etc...

Works like a charm when my friends freak out, no one knows the extent of their actions until they receive them from someone else :)
 
You should really urge him to give up weed for a while and see how things go. A lot of people underestimate the mental changes that can happen from daily use. It's easy to look and see other people smoking all day every day but everybody is not the same.
 
Using too much drugs can cause this but yes, we can not tell a specific thing. If you ask me he shoul STOP using drugs until he is back to normal.
 
*samsonite* said:
^Yes. Psychedelic drugs can trigger psychosis in people. Especially when there is family history of mental illness such as schizophrenia.
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There's no real evidence of this. People get psychotic all the time for all kinds of reasons. They always have done, they always will. You can link it to pretty much anything you like. I think the family history of schizophrenia is more important that whether or not you take LSD. I've taken enough psychedelics to stun half the population of China. I've never had schizophrenia. A close friend has never taken a psychedelic drug in his life - guess what? He's got schizophrenia.

The fact that schizophrenia rates have remained constant for the last 100 years, and often fell slightly, suggests psychedelics have had no impact whatsoever. If psychedelics were triggering psychosis you would have expected an enormous spike in the figures over the last 50 years when they've been used by millions of people than in the early 1900s. The figures never spiked.
 
Ismene said:
There's no real evidence of this. People get psychotic all the time for all kinds of reasons. They always have done, they always will. You can link it to pretty much anything you like. I think the family history of schizophrenia is more important that whether or not you take LSD. I've taken enough psychedelics to stun half the population of China. I've never had schizophrenia. A close friend has never taken a psychedelic drug in his life - guess what? He's got schizophrenia.

The fact that schizophrenia rates have remained constant for the last 100 years, and often fell slightly, suggests psychedelics have had no impact whatsoever. If psychedelics were triggering psychosis you would have expected an enormous spike in the figures over the last 50 years when they've been used by millions of people than in the early 1900s. The figures never spiked.
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you have some useful things to add sometimes, ismene, but you need to stop and think other times "am i adding anything or am i just arguing?"

I feel quite certain the person you quoted would agree with you almost entirely. He was saying a psychedelic experience may trigger a psychotic break in an individual who is predisposed to have one. ie an individual who would eventually have a psychotic break whether or not s/he had any psychedelics.
you say "people get psychotic all the time for all kinds of reasons"
yes so of course an intense psychedelic experience could be one of those reasons.
you are arguing against a statement that has never been made in this thread (afaict)

btw, the incidence of schizophrenic diagnosis doubled in SE London between 1965 and 1997. (http://schizophreniabulletin.oxfordjournals.org/content/32/1/195.full)
i assume that the incidence of all psychiatric diagnoses has increased over the last 50 years. but of course that is a product of advances in psychiatry, not a result of widespread psychedelic use.
 
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