PAWS are ruining what should be the happiest time of my life.

SaosinEngaged

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I've been off the site for a while. I found it too difficult to concentrate on keeping clean amongst all the threads about hardcore drug use. Despite all the help and encouragement and downright love I've received here, that one aspect drove me away for a little while to work things over on my own.

It's been about 3-4 total years since my life has descended into Oxycodone. The first two, I actually was a legitimate "occasional" user. 4-5 times a week, one small dose a day. Able to stop ANY time I wanted to (could take month long breaks here and there). Was too good to be true, in every sense. Then I was hit by a drunk driver and the fuck demolished my back. All of a sudden, instant access to as many opiates as I could possibly ever need. Suffice to say, this didn't end well for me. I worked up to a solid 250-300mg/day habit, finishing my two week scripts in 4 days then supplementing on the street for the remaining 10 days. I've been engaged and a first time home buyer with a good but demanding job; you can see the problem here. Completely unsustainable model. I was spending every free dime I had (but still managed to pay my bills).

I eventually decided *Fuck* *This* *Shit* and I sobered up. It was, undoubtedly, like being thrown ass first into the seventh circle of hell, but thanks to Kratom I managed to get through it. 2, 3, 4 weeks clean and I was beginning to feel awesome. One problem crept back up, one very big problem. The fact that I have about 50 serious things wrong with my back. I decided to get clean on the coattails of a procedure that actually really helped me (9th total procedure in 2 years), but nearly killed me (long story). Then one morning in June, I woke up and couldn't get the fuck out of bed. I had no choice but to reach for my prescribed Oxy I'd been stashing since I stopped taking it. Relief came quick, but so did the realization that my battle with both addiction and having a medical necessity for opiate painkillers was about to overwhelm me mentally. I began "using" again, but mostly due to my injuries (of course I enjoyed it also). I only took the Oxy on the absolute worst days of pain and tried staying clean for as many as possible. It was working out alright, until my tolerance completely came back, rendering my prescribed dose obsolete. Wonderful. Here we go again, down the rabbit hole.

I'm now, legitimately 3 days out from my wedding to the most beautiful woman I've ever met, and I'm smack dab in the middle of a horrific bout of PAWS. Worse than I ever had the first time I got clean. This is WITHOUT even having had to go through acute WD's a second time. It's as if this intermittent usage since early June has re-fucked all my receptors, but not to the point of triggering acute WD's (if that's even possible or I'm just an oddity, who knows). But I'm five days off my last use, with my level of pain down enough to forego painkillers (I'm also out), and I'm completely apathetic, miserable, and so damn fatigued (both from the obvious sapping of energy and from the terrible insomnia this triggers in me) that I can BARELY make it to work this week, let alone do what I need to/want to be doing for my fiancee prior to the wedding.

It's making me miserable and making me feel like a horrible fuck up. I love this woman so much and my own selfish misery is precluding me from doing the things I would normally be doing in this final week to both make her stress load lighter but also remind her of why she's marrying me. If I could convey this feeling to you guys, I swear to fuck, it's worse than the psychological aspect of acute withdrawals, where everything bugs you out and you feel subhuman.

Then there's the fact that I get to fill a three week script on Thursday, but that means using illicitly once again as my back has been better these past few weeks. So that creates a serious bout of cognitive dissonance. What the fuck do I do? Use just so I can *feel* the emotion of my wedding and actually enjoy myself? Or go through it with this hellish bout of PAWS I've had lately and potentially be a miserable apathetic prick at my own wedding. There's an obvious choice here, but it's making me feel guilty. Not to mention the honeymoon where we'll be gone for two weeks (my dr. wrote me a larger script that I can fill Thurs to compensate for an additional week, with everything going on).

I can say that Kratom has been the tool through all of this that has potentially kept me from (not literally) killing myself because of the crippling insomnia I've suffered through the PAWS periods. I tried one night to abuse nothing and ended up being awake for 36 hours, having to function at a high level at work, and still be able to help my fiancee with the wedding planning. Yeah, fuck that. I have to dose up 20g of Bali tea and take two Soma's just to sedate myself enough to sleep. It's been so bad, some nights, even that hasn't helped and I've had to add a very small amount of halcion to the mix (I know, dangerous, but I have a buddy that is prescribed it, and it's potent enough to be useful to me). I know the Kratom is a potential answer, it's just effective enough to relieve PAWS for a solid four hours, but after that they all come right back. It's impractical and, for right now, against my wishes to just succumb to using it around the clock. I may as well go and cop Oxy.

Sorry for rambling guys, I'm just at the end of my rope here a bit. This is supposed to be the most exciting time in my life and I'm fucking miserable and barely making it through each day. And then when Thursday comes, the cycle begins again. This time, not for pain, but because I can't risk ruining my own wedding.

Fuck me.

(Don't know how I accidentally double posted this, mods delete the other topic please)
 
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You are stuck between a rock and a hard place! I really feel for you.8( Is it really so intense that you won't be overcome by emotion at your own wedding and honeymoon? I'm asking this question sincerely because I have never experienced PAWS. Don't forget that the PAWS are probably being intensified by the pre-wedding stress you are under--some of what you are experiencing may not be PAWS at all; and once all the anticipation is over, and you are actually dressed and standing there, you may find that much of what you are experiencing now vanishes.

Does your fiance know about your meds and your problems with them (past and present)? What I am getting at is that you are just delaying the inevitable but this is a very shaky way to start a marriage.

Congratulations and good luck. Hopefully someone with more experience with what you are going through will respond soon.<3
 
I'm open and honest with my fiancee about everything. She's well aware of the medical conditions I've had, the fact that I also ended up abusing the Oxy, and the fact that I'm *working* on finding some sustainable solution. She trusts me, and I haven't overtly done anything to subvert that. As bad as my addiction became at points, I never allowed it to take precedence over her. As unlikely as that sounds, she's my biggest addiction (in the most positive sense).

She's incredibly understanding, but I'm also a very good "actor." When I need to be loving and supportive even though I'm feeling apathetic and solemn, I can turn it on just enough so my fiancee isn't upset and worried about my state of mind. The problem here is, I really want to enjoy the events of the next few weeks without feeling like I have to try. I can gamble on it, sure. But it's one of those things that are too important to fuck up and comes with no do-overs.

I'm not talking about nodding off at my wedding, I'm talking about taking enough early on in the day to not feel PAWS when the wedding roles around.

As I mentioned, that's when I'll end up feeling guilty.

Kratom really is an invaluable weapon against this all, I can dose and, not even feel high but, *feel* normalized. Like when you're on Sub and you're not high but you feel like *yourself*. That's the only feeling I seek, but without the pain that so very often has shown itself at inopportune moments in my recent life. I can't have my cake and eat it too, but I tried handling my physical injuries without opiates and the outcome was just as debilitating; I couldn't work and could barely take care of myself. A major surgery lies in my not - too - distant future. I wish Kratom was the permanent answer, but I find the repulsive side effects of Kratom tea to accumulate with daily use. I often begin to retch the very second the Kratom powder hits the boiling water, disseminating that awful stench. I've been conditioned to vomit at the very smell of Kratom. As wonderful as it is, my stomach takes a beating EVEN from the tea. I'm also mildly concerned about the possible hepatic complications of long duration high dose Kratom. While the jury is still out, it's still a risk, even if highly unlikely. I'm looking out for the first large, peer reviewed study of heavy westernized Kratom use (read: not chewing on leaves or smoking) on a daily basis like I'd read on any other medication before I use it. Remember, I need at least 20g in one dose to even feel a positive effect. Anything less is just a waste of time, so if I took this shit around the clock you're lookin at 60-100g/day. I'm sure, if there even is any risk, that risk will be amplified at that level of use. I know enough people are using Kratom that if it really had an ugly effect like that, you'd be hearing a lot more about it. But I'm cautious; for FUCKS sake I've had a near deadly reaction to Ibuprofen.

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6:00AM, got all of 1:30min of sleep tonight. Have to be at work by 9. This is absolutely absurd; so tell me, what does one do when .25mg of Halcion + 350 mg of Soma + 20g of Kratom fails to knock me out? I wasted my last halcion on an hour and 30 minutes of sleep.

This is the worst symptom, the one that's likely triggering/worsening the others, and the reason I feel like, at times, I'm losing my mind.
 
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I reccomend taking opium! It's 100% natural and more potent than kratom... It will stop any withdrawal or PAWS right away.
 
Something to note here: I've also been recently diagnosed with migraines (infrequent, but severe when they do occur). A lot of the more extreme symptoms I had yesterday are potentially due to the prodromal phase of a migraine I didn't know I had coming. I was overtly depressed, solemn, and downright exhausted. Much moreso than the previous day, or even today running on 1:30min of sleep.

By 6:00pm last night, my head was cycling through fits of exploding pain.

Significance? I'm just an unlucky bastard that has too many medical conditions for a mid-20 year old. Could always be worse, then again it's hard to keep telling yourself that when it feels like every where you turn is a consequence instead of a positive.

/blog.

Thanks guys.
 
you mention subs, why don'y you get on them? Its a mild pain killer which help with the constant pain.. and it will allow you to be normal during your wedding and not reply on some sort of drug tea to keep you going....

The pain thing.... sucks.. but your not the only one dealing with constant pain and addiction, lots of people do some worse some not so worse.. just except it and get on subs or methadone... do what ya got to do to live a normal life.

congrats for getting married, hope it works out. Don't use PAWS as a excuse to get high... I mean if you want to be high during your wedding do it but IMO you will regret being high during your wedding later in life more then being unhappy because your not high...

Any serious event in my life that I ruined with drugs I REGRET horribly.... I don't regret WD as weird as that seems.
 
^ Very solid advice from xxsicknessxx

We addicts can use ANYTHING as an excuse/justification to get high.

The simple answer is you cannot do that anylonger. Realize there is not ONE VALID EXCUSE/JUSTIFICATION to get high, aka possibly end your life.

How can you justify getting high when you reframe it as slowly killing yourself. Do you want to leave your SO a widow? I doubt it. Reframe it that way and you will see you have no real excuses.

Thats the trick though: to recognize consistently that every excuse is just that: a bullshit excuse. Bullshit bullshit bullshit. You dont think EVERYONE who loves drugs as much as you, wants to be high ALL THE TIME? I know I do. But when I sit down and really look at the justifications: there not only are none, but the ones i thought there were are, as i said, complete and utter bullshit.

The only real excuses to get high are FOR AN ADDICT are: you want to die, you want to go to jail, you want to ruin your life/relationships/things going well for you.

IF YOUf ARE ABLE TO CONTROL YOUR DRUG USE THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO YOU! But if you were able to do that, you wouldn't have made this post.
 
Soasinengaged,
Hang in there. Your insomnia is undoubtedly making your symptoms worse. Also, the stress of a wedding can cause insomnia and anxiety. Are you guys immediately going on a honeymoon? If you are, use that time to get through what you need to get through without the use of any mood altering substances (including alcohol). However, if you choose to use to try and get through the wedding you will regret it. You will regret being high on your wedding day and it would be a terrible way to start a marriage.

In my opinion you have two choices here:

1. Do not use any substance and get through the wedding and honeymoon and then seek professional help afterwards.

or

2. Postpone the wedding until you can manage having a wedding without drugs.

But whatever you do, please for the sake of everyone, including yourself, do not think that getting married while using drugs is a solution. It would lead to a path of very fast destruction.
 
I have a lot of respect for you coming from a guy with major back problems and three fusions to my belt.

I hate to say it, but you need to use your prescription-- I never recommend using opiates with people who have had issues but you have to prioritize here: your wedding (and stress its bringing) and the need for you to be on your game from wedding day through the honeymoon necessitates you taking your medications, perhaps in as small a quantity as possible, but nonetheless use them

Addressing your issues with PAWS and addiction/legit pain issues are something you can begin to address in an all out manner when you get back from your honeymoon. It is not worth ruining your wedding/honeymoon and your bride-to-be's emotional state struggling to get through the events.

Please, please note that your problems really need to be put on the backburner...subs, addiction docs, therapy, NA or whatever is still going to be there for you when your honeymoon is over.

Good luck
 
dang i thought i had it ruff

but yo if you want some hope, it took me 5 months of being off, feeling like shit, dizzy,. ears ringing, no helping hands from meds or chems, it sucked , gradually it got better, slowly by degrees, dont get me wrong i had a few good days here and there

but for the most part i was suffering , i thought oh well this is what life is, and i accepted it,
maintained the best i could

i dont know what the fuck happend but about a month ago , i began to feel good
i mean real good , a smile on my face , a spring in my step, with no helping hands from chemicals

i think i broke the chokehold and it feels good

what i figured out, was
no matter what, the subs, taper plans, ect .. when you put it down, you gotta pay the toll bro
tapering will just ease the discomfort a little

but
your going to have some discomfort
the PAWS is a nasty bitch
gotta power thru that shit ,
but it gets better g

i heard people in recovery say how i feel now, i have clarity, i wouldnt trade that for any feeling a drug could give me
i always thought they was talking shit,
but yo if you stick with it and wait it out, it'll happen

but yo in just 5 months of suffering thru PAWS , once that chokehold was broke,
its all good
i thought i never would feel normal again
and at this moment im feeling great not fucking normal
 
again isn't paws just the feelings that make you do drugs... pain is more WD? sounds more like your in WD then in paws..

WD is real... I mean I wouldn't get married IN WD... i would try to get some SUBS to avoid that during the wedding its not your wifes fault your a addict don't punish her, don't use it as a excuse to get high just get some subs to off set PAWS and WD and have a great wedding *good luck*
 
I can only tell you what I would do in this situation. You are experiencing major stress and are a legitimate pain management patient. Seems you don't trust yourself enough to fill your script. I would give the pills to your fiance and if you need the meds they are there for you. You mentioned that you had a bad reaction to ibuprofin but maybe consider taking half a pill along with half of your prescribed medication if you really need it. Don't punish yourself for past behaviors. You gotta get through this but be smart about it. You don't want to be a miserable fuck at your wedding. Congratulations and have a good time!
 
hey, thought i'd chime in from the female side of things - i COMPLETELY agree with BiggDirty01! If u can't get some subs to make you normal, then take the bare minimum amount to be functional - don't use it as an excuse to use and get high. If ur girl is like most other girls on the face of this planet - she has been dreaming of this wedding since she was a little girl. Addiction stems from all sorts of selfish, manipulative, fucked up excuses and thinking - you can act like you're getting clean for her, but in reality - you getting clean is about you. don't let her special day be about you too! ak - Don't let your addiction stand in the way of her perfect wedding - don't let be an excuse to use, but def don't let it ruin her day. this is her day - you can have your day when it's over...

i'm struggling with my own dependence at the moment, so i can relate to how ur feeling. yeah, this one day will probly reset your struggle and take you down a notch, but at least she's worth it :) i'm sorry if my comment makes other's angry out there - i am in no way trying to say revert to your old ways and continue the cycle of insanity, but save your suffering for another day, when she doesn't have to suffer with you.
 
just wanted to add that on your wedding day your brain will probably send out a huge wave of natural endorphins that might just be enough to get you feeling like your old self again.
 
just wanted to add that on your wedding day your brain will probably send out a huge wave of natural endorphins that might just be enough to get you feeling like your old self again.

I agree completely. I've had this happen before and catch me by surprise. I didn't believe I still had it in me or I was completely rusty at best, and all of a sudden I'm my old self again naturally with no effort at all. I think you will do just find :) <3.
 
That fatigue and extreem lasitude that you are describing is a phase of extreem fatigue, lasitude, and dysthemia/ outright depression during protracted abstinece syndrome aka PAWS that William Burroughs called the "doldrums" in the book junkie. This tends to come after the "pink cloud" if you experience it.The worse you can do is lay in bed. I'm not sure to what degree excersize is pain limited but jogging, the gym, and especially if you live near the ocean or another body of water- jump in. PAWS tends to be cyclical getting better and worse until you establish a new setpoint. Sub is an option, not a bad one just don't make the mistake I did and drink through the PAWS- awfull way to cope.

NA, AA, ect... There is even HA in some areas thats booming were I live- there is a therapeutic vibe there- can't hurt.

My wife and I smoked heroin on the night of our wedding. We were so goud we didn't give a fuck about consumating the relationship.:|
 
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