Opioids Opoid "virgin" plugging morphine sulfate for the first time

[chimpydork]

Opoid is Mallinckrodt 20mg /mL sublingual morphine sulfate solution via oral syringe (it's "peppermint flavoured")

1/2 of 1 oral syringe holds 0.5mL = a 10mg dose of liquid morphine sulfate oral solution. Am assuming that this small 10mg dose plugged with oral syringe would be safe for someone who almost never does any opoid of any kind, but would appreciate confirmation from a Bluelight expert who actually knows whether this is a safe dose to plug when that person has no experience and no tolerance. Again, probably a light dose, but better safe than sorry.

If it helps, body weight is 225lb. All sincere opinions / guesses are appreciated, but would really appreciate a Bluelight morphine expert who knows for sure to weigh in with detail. Much appreciated - thanks.

 

[Tommyboy]

I would start off with taking it orally. Rectal administration is better reserved for people with tolerances that require a route of administration with a higher bioavailability in order to get high, particularly if they don't have enough of the drug in their possession to get thing high using the ROA with the lower BA, or if it's a better option financially if they are addicted and spending a lot to maintain a habit.

One of the issues with rectal administration is that the BA varies pretty widely depending on the person, so it's hard to know how it will affect you and what end of the BA spectrum you fall under until you try it.

Having said that, 10mg plugged should be fine for you. When I was in the hospital for a condition that caused a lot of pain, they administered 5mg of morphine to me via IV (they thought I had no tolerance), and considering that the BA of rectally administered morphine falls somewhere in the 36 to 71% range, you should be fine to plug 10mg. The oral BA is between 20-40% so is generally lower than rectal but some people may get more out of it orally if they are on the higher end of the oral BA and the lower end of the rectal BA.

You could always do 5mg orally and 5mg rectally. Just make sure to use a different oral syringe if you do that, or at least do it orally first.

 

[Coraline]

Make sure your bowels are cleaned out before you try to do this. Sometimes with rectal stimulation your bowls move and you don't want to lose the drug.

 

[MrKitty2]

the peppermint will give your bum a cooling sensation hahahaha sorry ive got nothing legit to add

 

['medicine cabinet']

^yeah, how minty is this stuff? ive never plugged anything but from what i have read, it sounds like if it was really minty it might irritate your bum. and given that you weigh 225 i think 10mg may be dissapointing. but its always better to play it safe when it comes to opiates.

 

[tricomb]

Morphine is my drug of choice. Honestly, I don't think that body weight is a very important factor in dosing, don't take a larger dose to compensate. Start low and go slow is the generally accepted consensus for dosing potent CNS active drugs.

I have never heard of this peppermint aspect of oramorph, but I really can't imagine that feeling good in your rectum. I agree with the points made above by Tommyboy. Rectal administration of morphine is a nice option for some because it's more cost effective, more bioavailable. However for someone who isn't tolerant to opioids, I'm going to say its not necessary.

If you plug 10mg, worst case scenario the peppermint causes an uncomfortable cooling or burning sensation, I really am not sure since I've never plugged flavored liquid morphine. Best case scenario, it doesn't burn and you enjoy a small dose of morphine.

When I was non-tolerant, I started with 30mg / 1 mL rectally, however even when I'm not "tolerant" to morphine, it's been my drug of choice for a long time so I know exactly what to expect, so I wouldn't recommend everyone start at 30mg.
Tommyboy gave good dosing instructions which are safe, I'd recommend starting low and increasing your dose slowly (a process we call Titration).

Morphine is more sedating than other opioids for example oxycodone, so be expecting more CNS (mostly respiratory) depression at equianalgesic dosing. Therefore it is crucial to remain safe and not mix morphine with other potent CNS depressants such as alcohol, or benzodiazepines (Valium, Xanax, Ativan, Klonopin) sleeping/anxiety medication, etc.

 

[waldo777]

To expand on wats been said, ppl plug mainly b/c they need to in order to get high from the drug, its not usually the prefered ROA off the bat. Since ur tolerance is so low, u can dose 10mg orally and get high so why bother plugging?

But if ya like to plug and u find it more enjoyable than just oral admin, then enjoy, and don't worry, 10mg is fine

 

[chimpydork]

You guys are great

Wonderful replies from Tommyboy and everyone else. Exceeded my expectations and told me pretty much what I wanted to know.
Sounds like careful 5oral +5plug titration is that way to go. Cracked up from the advice to make sure I use separate syringes

As long as we're on the subject, it sounds like I might possibly get a more "recreational" experience with oxycodones (10mg k56 http://www.drugs.com/imprints/k-56-15462.html) than with the liquid morphine sulfate, - per tricomb's mention of morphine sulfate being more "sedating" than oxycodone
(can you tell I'm a total opoid rookie?) I don't know if the k56 10mg oxys are coated or not for crushing/insufflating/snorting - anyone know for sure?

At any rate, all the responses (even the funny ones) were much appreciated and very helpful. Like you all said, better safe than sorry. Thanks to all, this is a very helpful and enjoyable forum.

 

[tricomb]

Don't snort oxycodone, you'll have a much better time if you take them orally, their oral bioavailability is much higher than the nasal BA, weighing in around 90% taken orally so there's no reason to take oxycodone via other routes of administration.

 

[Choosing_Positive]

Wonderful replies from Tommyboy and everyone else. Exceeded my expectations and told me pretty much what I wanted to know.
Sounds like careful 5oral +5plug titration is that way to go. Cracked up from the advice to make sure I use separate syringes

As long as we're on the subject, it sounds like I might possibly get a more "recreational" experience with oxycodones (10mg k56 http://www.drugs.com/imprints/k-56-15462.html) than with the liquid morphine sulfate, - per tricomb's mention of morphine sulfate being more "sedating" than oxycodone
(can you tell I'm a total opoid rookie?) I don't know if the k56 10mg oxys are coated or not for crushing/insufflating/snorting - anyone know for sure?

At any rate, all the responses (even the funny ones) were much appreciated and very helpful. Like you all said, better safe than sorry. Thanks to all, this is a very helpful and enjoyable forum.

Well, here it is, 2 days later. How did it go chimpydork? Which ROA did you decide on? Or have you still yet to try it? If not, I do have one thing to add. I use Dr. Bronner's Peppermint Castile Soap. The first time I used it, I got a serious tingling/burning sensation in the gooch area while washing my junk. As time went on, the burning went away and feeling now is much more refreshing than anything. But I do want to caution you (as others have), on the peppermint into the rectum thing. I know that just cleaning the outside of one's ass with peppermint burns, I couldn't imagine how it might burn if it was directly injected into one's anus.

 

[tricomb]

Yeah, I want to reiterate that I have never tried plugging a flavored solution of morphine, so maybe plug a tiny bit and see if it burns before pushing down the plunger all the way, and/or dilute the minty solution.

 

[mrflowers00]

you should just hold the morphine in your mouth for 5 to 10 minuets for better results than orally and snorting oxycodone is a bad practice you'll lose a lot of the drug oral works great i IV it cause i'm one of a few people who actually gets a rush from it but most will tell you that there is no rush when IVing oxycodone

 

[Tryptamino]

Make sure your bowls are cleaned out before you try to do this. Sometimes with rectal stimulation your bowls move and you don't want to lose the drug.

*bowels

 

[chimpydork]

Aftermath

Plugging 10mg 2+1/2 hours later was more fun and effective than oral 10mg earlier. Dozed lightly / occasionally watching "Quiet American" dvd after the oral dose, but the anal dose of 10mg later on, after the oral dose wore off (quickly btw), was a little more pleasant experience physically. But overall I suspect the light 10mg doses explain the subtlety of the whole experience.
I imagine 20mg plugged (in "hindsight" 8) ) would certainly have felt better.
Absolutely no peppermint burn when plugging, just a hint of a cool sensation.

Next time around I'm either plugging 20mg / 1mL, or just going to chew up & swallow 20mg of oxy k-56s.
But all-in-all after this experience, it appears my curiosity about opoids will never really be satisfied until I either smoke opium
(I'm 50 years too late ) or iv some china white in the presence of and with the guidance of a pro.

Admittedly dumb/naive question: Has anyone here ever successfully "chased the dragon" by smoking oxys on foil? Does it even work? Would it in any way resemble the "dreamy" experience of smoking raw opium?

Summary:
While this was fun, I'm beginning to wonder if experimenting with opiates is even worth the time unless there is a distinct and pleasant rush of some kind - which tells me iv is probably the way to go - other methods so far appear to be for me too "subtle" - yet still carry the risk of eventual addiction.

In all honesty, so far medical marijuana in combination with a good bottle of wine gets me closer to where I want to go than oral / anal morphine did this time around - (I can hear the pros here saying "duh!" already) but I'm just an opoid neophyte, and I have a lot to learn ... maybe some cannabis in combination with some of the above? (hmmm ... )

At any rate, many sincere thanks again to any / all those who weighed in with your advice, opinions, and good humour. Learned a lot and all posts were much appreciated. This is truly an excellent, fun and educational forum. Thanks for your patience and all the posts / replies!

 

[rules]

taking it orally, the BA is lower, so i would recommend this for your first time. but yeah, 10mg is unlikely to give you any negative effects other than being a little (or moderately) euphoric. just incase, take a benadryl to lower nausea.

 

[pbuilder]

Rectal administration varies in each person, with bio-availability ranging from 30-60%. Oral administration is around 25% bio-available in most people.

I think plugging 10mg of morphine should be fine, even for an opiate niave person, as the dose would be equo-potent to 3-6mg IV'd, and this isn't to high of a dose. I recommend taking a benadryl or gravol approximately 30 minutes before hand to avoid any of the negative side effects of morphine, which include intense nausea and itching.

 

[chimpydork]

Thanks rules / pbuild. I definitely enjoyed plugging more than the oral / sublingual dose (I couldn't keep 1/2mL under my tongue for more than about 5 minutes without having to swallow, which probably screwed the oral dose effects up), though again 10mg proved to be a very light dose. Better safe than sorry though, as it was my first time both doing morphine and plugging anything.

I had no nausea whatsoever and only some slight itching, so I was fortunate there and didn't require any benadryl. Still, thanks for the suggestion - if I ever do experience either with a larger dose of morphine I'll give it a try. How much do you recommend, and just the usual stuff you pick up as tablets in the pharmacy?

I know it sounds childishly naive to some here, but I really learned a lot about things like bio-availability and "half-life" from some of the commenters here, and did some reading up on the 'net afterwards. Posters here are very helpful and should never be shy educating the "newbies" like me.

Thanks again.

 

[mindtools]

Plugging 10mg 2+1/2 hours later was more fun and effective than oral 10mg earlier.

I'm pretty sure that it was more efficient but also I think you added to the oral high. If you'd take it orally the 2nd time it also would feel stronger.
Cheers

 

[rules]

i'd say no more than 30mg absolute max. you don't want it to wire you up. there's nothing worse than too much benadryl. i learned that the hard way.

 

[tricomb]

Thanks rules / pbuild. I definitely enjoyed plugging more than the oral / sublingual dose (I couldn't keep 1/2mL under my tongue for more than about 5 minutes without having to swallow, which probably screwed the oral dose effects up), though again 10mg proved to be a very light dose. Better safe than sorry though, as it was my first time both doing morphine and plugging anything.

I had no nausea whatsoever and only some slight itching, so I was fortunate there and didn't require any benadryl. Still, thanks for the suggestion - if I ever do experience either with a larger dose of morphine I'll give it a try. How much do you recommend, and just the usual stuff you pick up as tablets in the pharmacy?

I know it sounds childishly naive to some here, but I really learned a lot about things like bio-availability and "half-life" from some of the commenters here, and did some reading up on the 'net afterwards. Posters here are very helpful and should never be shy educating the "newbies" like me.

Thanks again.

You definitely should get the tablets instead of this peppermint oral solution hah.

Be careful with morphine, you don't want to take too much, there's a fine line between the nod and overdose. I agree with the 30mg maximum for you today.

It's important to calculate how much morphine your actually feeling in your bloodstream. Going off 25% oral BA from your 10mg dose you only felt effects of 2.5mg morphine, so don't think that you could actually handle 10mg morphine in blood serum levels. With a 10mg redose, you got at the most 6mg from taking it rectally (at 60% rectal BA), bringing your total amount of absorbed morphine to 8.5mg (2.5mg + 6mg) **

** When you factor in half-life (3 hours), your first oral 10mg, but was actually 2.5mg in the blood would be down to 1.25mg in the blood by the time you redosed with 10mg rectal (let's say 6mg was absorbed, and that's generous) that's only 7.25mg of morphine that you actually had in your bloodstream at the maximum today.

EDIT: Important edit, I just was re-reading everything and I noticed you asked about chasing pills on foil, do not do this, it's horrible for your lungs and is horribly inefficient, most smart opioid addicts do not pretend that pills are worth smoking like opium or tar heroin is.

Even more important edit: Do not consume wine/alcohol with morphine under ANY and I mean any circumstances.