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Misc Wha am I experiencing Kratom or PST withdrawal?

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livingbeing

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Hello everyone, I am new here. I have been reading a lot of threads here though over the last 6 weeks. I had a drug addiction but have been clean for 3 yrs. However, it was on Lyrica and Tramadol for severe Fibromyalgia. I recently decided to stop taking all pain meds. I didn't realize the absolutely horrible withdrawals these two drugs can produce.

Any way, I was reading about Kratom helping with withdrawals. So, I started taking it at like 5g twice a day. I didn't want to get a dependence to it so after 2 weeks I started switching to PST for 2or 3 days ( I had never heard of it but read about it also) then go back to the Kratom for 3 or 4 days. I thought this would help stave off withdrawals from the Kratom. I did this for 4 weeks now. Well, I decided to stop using both and deal with any pain I had from the Fibro (which is very similar to withdrawal so it's confusing knowing which it's feeling, which is why it stayed using the Kratom for so long).

Well, after a full day I was in totally in withdrawal. So, do you think I was withdrawing from the Kratom or the PST. Oh, I used around 8 oz. of poppy seeds for the tea so it was a small amount. A few times I used a little more. I would normally wash those same seeds twice in a day. I can't see the withdrawals being from the PST but I am not sure.

I wanted to know if it can use the PST for 3 or 4 days if the withdrawal is probably from the kratom to get through the first and worst few days.


If the PST is a bad idea what would a good plan for the withdrawals be for me? I am going through a naturopathic treatment for the the Fibro which is why I stopped the meds so I can't handle the pain of the Fibro and withdrawals together.

Oh, also I have been off the tramadol for over 6 weeks. So, I am pretty sure that withdrawal is over from those. However would it be ok if I used a little of one these or both to get through the first few days? That won't cause my dependence to come back for those will it? Like maybe if I used tramadol one day and lyrica the next. I would only take on in the evening before bed if possible to sleep.

Thank you. I will be very grateful!
 
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If you take opioids for that long in a row then you are going to get withdrawals, even if I take kratom for only 2 days in a row and don't take any the next day I get withdrawals, very slight ones mind you but wds nonetheless. I don't see why you think switching between the two is going prevent you from having withdrawals. If you are withdrawing from both at the same time it would probably have even worse withdrawals I would think.
 
slayerhatesusall said:
If you take opioids for that long in a row then you are going to get withdrawals, even if I take kratom for only 2 days in a row and don't take any the next day I get withdrawals, very slight ones mind you but wds nonetheless. I don't see why you think switching between the two is going prevent you from having withdrawals. If you are withdrawing from both at the same time it would probably have even worse withdrawals I would think.
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Well, I guess for the same reason I used Kratom to get off Tramadol and Lyrica. I just took Kratom for too long. Also, I thought since the PST was only used in small amounts with 3-6 days in between it probably isn't giving me WDs. So, I could use it for the first few days too get through the worst of it.

I wonder if using Kratom and PST actually has kept me from WDing from the Tramadol and lyrica. Do you think that is possible?
 
livingbeing said:
Ok sorry, I wasn't sure and wanted to be safe. Thanks
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Poppy-based teas are strong brews with huge half-lives, using them on any sort of multiple times per week basis will develop a physical dependence to them to some degree.

Additionally, kratom is cross-tolerant with other opiates/oids, including PST. You're not withdrawing from either kratom or PST, you're withdrawing from mu-receptor agonism no matter the source. Granted, the host of alkaloids present in kratom means that there is another component to addiction/withdrawal to this plant, but the primary component contributing to dependence and withdrawal is still mu agonism.
 
Putingrad said:
Poppy-based teas are strong brews with huge half-lives, using them on any sort of multiple times per week basis will develop a physical dependence to them to some degree.

Additionally, kratom is cross-tolerant with other opiates/oids, including PST. You're not withdrawing from either kratom or PST, you're withdrawing from mu-receptor agonism no matter the source. Granted, the host of alkaloids present in kratom means that there is another component to addiction/withdrawal to this plant, but the primary component contributing to dependence and withdrawal is still mu agonism.
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Ok, thank you. Do you know of any products you could recommend that aren't similar that I can use during the WDs? I know there are a lot of options out there. Thank you.
 
Zoeylynn said:
Read the BLUA in my signature and it will help you with the way things work around here. You will be acquainted with our rules and it will help you get the responses you want.

Welcome to Bluelight!! We are here to help answer questions. If you need help or have a question please feel free to message me. I would love to help. I will correct the wording for you.
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Wow, thank you! Ok, I will do that and thank you very much. The funny thing is, I wrote it in with "I" instead of "it" originally but went back and changed it. :)
 
Putingrad said:
Additionally, kratom is cross-tolerant with other opiates/oids, including PST. You're not withdrawing from either kratom or PST, you're withdrawing from mu-receptor agonism no matter the source.
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^ This.

You haven't prevented dependence on withdrawals by switching between pst and katrom. In fact, you've help sustain and develop your habit by consistently using opioid agonists. Pst is notorious for bad, drawn out withdrawals. Most sources I have encountered suggest that pst withdrawals will generally be worse than kratom wd's.

As for products you can use in wd's...it depends what you're looking for. When you ask for things that aren't similar, do you mean non opioids? This thread will probably be helpful for you, - The OD Opioid Withdrawal Megathread and FAQ...good luck...
 
livingbeing said:
Wow, thank you! Ok, I will do that and thank you very much. The funny thing is, I wrote it in with "I" instead of "it" originally but went back and changed it. :)
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Lol!! No problem. It made it so easy to fix it :) i have read stuff on the other boards and I understand why new members use swim and stuff. I laugh sometimes when I read my raccoon took X amount of substance and is dying? Is this normal for a raccoon?? Lol!!

But anyways, I'm glad your here and getting the info you need.
 
footscrazy said:
^ This.

You haven't prevented dependence on withdrawals by switching between pst and katrom. In fact, you've help sustain and develop your habit by consistently using opioid agonists. Pst is notorious for bad, drawn out withdrawals. Most sources I have encountered suggest that pst withdrawals will generally be worse than kratom wd's.

As for products you can use in wd's...it depends what you're looking for. When you ask for things that aren't similar, do you mean non opioids? This thread will probably be helpful for you, - The OD Opioid Withdrawal Megathread and FAQ...good luck...
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Thank you I'm reading the thread. Are you saying that I never finished withdrawing from the Tramadol and Lyrica because I use the Kratom and PST? Thanks
 
footscrazy said:
^ This.

You haven't prevented dependence on withdrawals by switching between pst and katrom. In fact, you've help sustain and develop your habit by consistently using opioid agonists. Pst is notorious for bad, drawn out withdrawals. Most sources I have encountered suggest that pst withdrawals will generally be worse than kratom wd's.

As for products you can use in wd's...it depends what you're looking for. When you ask for things that aren't similar, do you mean non opioids? This thread will probably be helpful for you, - The OD Opioid Withdrawal Megathread and FAQ...good luck...
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It's been like 3 months since I took Lyrica. I heard Lyrica can be good for WDs. If I took Lyrica for no longer than a week to get through the worst part would that be safe? Thanks
 
^^that depends on how long you were 'clean' after quitting tramadol. After being on tramadol for a while though it wouldn't take long for your brain to re-adapt to new opiates/opioids and leave you in a worse position than you were when taking tramadol. Even 3-4 days of poppy tea/kratom usage could send you into withdrawals now. If you want to quit everything then just stick to kratom for now and taper off that, it has the least painful withdrawal of the 3.
 
RobotRipping said:
^^that depends on how long you were 'clean' after quitting tramadol. After being on tramadol for a while though it wouldn't take long for your brain to re-adapt to new opiates/opioids and leave you in a worse position than you were when taking tramadol. Even 3-4 days of poppy tea/kratom usage could send you into withdrawals now. If you want to quit everything then just stick to kratom for now and taper off that, it has the least painful withdrawal of the 3.
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what about the Lyrica? It's been like 3 months for that. I would just do more of a cold turkey thing but with what I'm going through I can't. I need to make it as bearable as possible. I'm starting to taper off the Kratom now. I am just going to take 3 capsules which is probably less than 2 grams for the next few days. I started last night. I am mostly only going to use whatever at night when it's the worst and I can't sleep. Thanks
 
i'm not sure about lyrica really, do you think it'd give you withdrawal/rebound symptoms if you took it for a week? Really, the only person that can tell would be you but from what i've heard the withdrawal from lyrica is not that bad and you were probably experiencing the nasty withdrawal from tramadol much more than lyrica when you quit both. I'd have some lyrica on hand just in case your fibromyalgia acts up really bad, i get all sorts of nasty skin sensations when quitting opiates/benzos so i'd just use it as needed.
 
RobotRipping said:
i'm not sure about lyrica really, do you think it'd give you withdrawal/rebound symptoms if you took it for a week? Really, the only person that can tell would be you but from what i've heard the withdrawal from lyrica is not that bad and you were probably experiencing the nasty withdrawal from tramadol much more than lyrica when you quit both. I'd have some lyrica on hand just in case your fibromyalgia acts up really bad, i get all sorts of nasty skin sensations when quitting opiates/benzos so i'd just use it as needed.
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Thanks, yea I am going to use whatever I use when it gets really bad. I should be able to make it through the day but I need to sleep and the pain and RLS are what prevent that. I tried one 100mg Lyrica last night and it didn't help much. I was just reading that it takes more though. I have read that Lyrica WD is really bad also. I thought I was going to die when I quit both cold turkey.

I shouldn't have any WD effects from Lyrica after 3-5 days use should I? Thanks
 
^ nobody really can answer that but you, it depends on so much. . Plasticity, down regulation, up regulation, etc. For example, I've been off benzos for two years, but 2 days in a row sends me back into withdrawals, due to my history and my bodies susceptibility to these familiar substances. I would say stick with the kratom, minimal amounts, but more importantly the longest time between dosing that you can stomach. Anecdotally this seems more important than amount. You'll be in the clear in no time if you use restraint. Try immodium. . .kratom is a weak enough MOR agonist that immodium does a good job of taking care of WD symptoms without having to resort to obscene doses. Hang in there!
 
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