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Tony Williams

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Ok hear me out my mate, someone who is lets say an old school raver knows his 90's pills.

Now been off it for ages he has but did like summa dat meow meow (Mephedrone) when it was cheaper than dibdab. I do think Mehpedrones effects (when we had the boom) or other MDMA/stim rcs (methylone, 6AB) are to blame for this.

In the UK were seeing really good, boomin pills like Orange Jumbos <>187mg, and Qdance(orange standby) <>140-160 and theres more decent mdma tabs.

I am young so are some of my mates so we just got onto mdma after mephedrone as all mdma was bunk bzp so after it's came back.......

Anyway my Q is this.

Number 1) The mdma today uses a different synth, safole oil a few of my OLD school ravers blame this?

Number 2) the person hammering mdma has basically perma drained mdmas effects and wont ever get them back even with 5htp, good living. Another example is when I was new to drugs I got hooked on GBL and loved the rush so much, it just felt amazing as good as heroin (which I used) although I guess GBL was buttons but I've done 3L ish or since I got into it the effets are very mild/boring yet I am still compelled to dose it round the clock I will add I have had massive breaks - I miss them days

Number 3) Cultre, MDMA died out - music changed, pill use isn't a fun or the same as what it was, as clubs aren't as geared and ALL YE mates arent on 'em. This makes sense as Meph isn't the same even the preban stuff I had it was fucking good but not the same without hearing new chems, people on different levels and less users, etc

Maybe if we had someone with pills from them days, get a test done on the mg and compare it with asimiler to todays months apart.
 
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your post is a bit difficult to follow. I'm not really sure what your question is, are you asking if there is a different mdma synth that's used today?
 
I'm not sure if you can make synthetic Safrole in a lab. Good question though.
 
Yes safrole oil is much more difficult to obtain than it used to be and substitutes are being used, possibly effecting the quality of end product due to isomer ratios.

Yes "hammering" MDMA will have a drastic effect on future experiences due to down regulation of serotonin receptors, not to mention neurotoxicity.

Yes the culture has changed, its a less common practice and music has changed. Clubs aren't as drug friendly as they used to be and there is a larger variety of club drugs with all the rcs, M1 and ketamine being frequently used people are on different levels. You have the coked up M1 users and the zombified ket users and the lovey dovey MD users. I think people have turned to the more selfish and solitary drugs like M1 and Ket where there just isn't as much of a social and friendly culture.
 
m1 is amazing IMO. it's like MDMA lite too me. But yeah cultre changes. NO longer are we all Mephin up for pennies like the old days. I have good meph still but it's not the same as the cutlre is moving.
 
Mdma is Mdma. Just because you found booty shit doesn't mean everyone does... it took me 2 whole years of rolling on terrible shit mollies and pills until I found a real MDMA DEALER!!! WOOT! You'll know when you've found it =_)
 
I do have proper MDMA tabs. I have had Orange standbys (QDANE) and orange jumbos, blue defcons - read them up they're high spec. I loved them but my old school ravers claim it aint the same - so would 200mg of 90's mdma beat 200mg of todays (good tabs) or is the persons brain unable to get the high due to abuse years ago or is it not as good as it's not the same cultre wise.

asking old 90's ravers.
 
Tony Williams said:
I do have proper MDMA tabs. I have had Orange standbys (QDANE) and orange jumbos, blue defcons - read them up they're high spec. I loved them but my old school ravers claim it aint the same - so would 200mg of 90's mdma beat 200mg of todays (good tabs) or is the persons brain unable to get the high due to abuse years ago or is it not as good as it's not the same cultre wise.

asking old 90's ravers.
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look at the other thread in this forum "how we rolled in the 90's..."... its basically a whole huge thread talking about this very subject...

and yes.. as a 90's raver that still goes out and does it like a rockstar i can say that there is a difference in the pills from back then vs. today... im not complaining; e.g. the MDMA today is amazing in its own right but the experience is different from then...
 
Maybe the problem with MDMA today, is that many rely on their friends' judgements to draw conclusions about their own experience.
 
I find the main ingredient in any drug you take is always YOU- meaning, you're the biggest factor in terms of the results. MDMA especially has a tendency to seemingly "lose the magic", or rather the effects seem to change and be lessened with use based on downregulation of your 5-HT receptors, and plenty of other philosophies.

I've rolled ballllllls on crappy low dose pills when I was new to it, and I've had an only mildly pleasant experience on pure uncut shards of confirmed, tested MDMA due to having rolled 3 weeks prior, and the fact that I've been at it for a while now.

Though many may disagree, I think that the biggest factor is how many times you've rolled, how often you roll (< HUGE factor) and the quality of product is 3rd in line to all of those. Though it isn't fun to accept, I drew this conclusion from watching many friends relationship with MDMA from first try to becoming "seasoned" MDMA users. You'll find a lot of people think pills were much better when they first started rolling, and though it's possible in some cases, I a of the opinion it's more about where you were personally at in terms of MDMA being new to your mind and to your body.
 
Hello Tony

Here are my thoughts on your points.

Number 1) The mdma today uses a different synth, safole oil a few of my OLD school ravers blame this?

This has become a bit of a myth of recent. Safrole oil has always been one of the main precursors for MDMA. There are a few precursors for MDMA but in most cases they start their life as Safrole. Same in the 90s.

Check out this link:

http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/mda.dalcason.html

This is the easiest way to explain it. If you look at the diagram MD-P2P or PMK is the end target (one step away from MDMA) thats the one in the middle Methylenedioxyphenyl-2-propanone.

If you look at all the Precursors listed they can all be synthed from one another as shown by the arrows but check out Safrole. Only arrows going out. In other words MDMA in most cases starts its life at some point as Safrole.

There are some exceptions (other essential oils) but its always been this way. Safrole as a precursor has been around for a long time. Including in the 90s.


Number 2) Yeah sure if you hammer MDMA then certainly your brain is going to have less Axons and be depleted of Serotonin. This will have a big imact on the quality of the high. The more you abuse the less you feel. I have found Blue light to be a great resource for discussing these issues.


Number 3) Not sure if culture and MDMA have died out but for sure we have our own magic moments and times particularly when drugs are in the mix. Sounds like you have had some good times thats the main thing.


Those Q Dances you mention are rockin pills theres some discussion on the 90s pills thread as to why the Q dances might be so good.

Its a long thread but its a hot debate if you have the time to check it out.

A lot of what you describe is from the MDA/MDEA/Amphetamine combos often seen in 90s pill. A lot rarer these days.

Heres the 90s test report link from the Pills in the 90s thread. There was a lot of MDEA in the mix.

http://ecstasy.org/testing/index.html

The theory goes 200mG of MDMA from the 90s could be different in quite a few ways from MDMA in todays pills.

It seems everyone agrees on the combo theory. (but thats not caused by MDMA)
A lot of agreement on the impurities in the MDMA
Type of synth and reaction methods used
Style of crystalisation
New idea on MDMA salts being a possibility
Discussions of MDMA Isomers causing differences but most of us agree this is likely a myth.


Hope that covers your points those are my thoughts anyway.

Take it easy.

Futura
 
As I said anyone has MDMA from the 90's compare it's mg to todays maybe sooon we'll have safrole if it;s better i know its hard to get.
 
Whats the betting that 2022 people will be praising defqons, speakers etc etc and downplaying the new stuff?

Time goes on: things change, novelty wears off, tolerance occurs, laws change precursor availability and synthesis routes, abuse can cause permanent loss of magic, the past gets glorified etc etc etc..
 
LuGoJ said:
your post is a bit difficult to follow. I'm not really sure what your question is, are you asking if there is a different mdma synth that's used today?
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yeah...i don't really get it. mdma does not suck. it is amazing and mindblowing. you must be getting some really bunk shit.
 
Definately if you have done this 500+ or 1000+ times before the magic runs a little out, and it's harder to get the old roll back. Looking at brain activity it is said that the first time you take MDMA will never be the same as you flush your entire serotonin stack, you never really recover from this one. Doesnt mean you cant enjoy MDMA however just not the same amazing feeling.

Other than that, if you don't get the feeling I would say that it's NOT MDMA, real MDMA always works.

That being said I heard that the synth back in the days were much better and that the peak would last for more hours than today.
 
I think it all depends on the person, the MDMA and the quality of it, etc every case is different, sometimes the M is shitty quality, or it could depend on the person's brain chemistry, etc but,

1.) I think the lack of easy access to safrole, especially in Canada now, where it was banned in December, can be partially to blame but I also think the general quality of MDMA being sold is a lot shittier than it used to be, even since I first started doing it 6 years ago. A lot of the MDMA I do now if alright and fun enough but it's a lot more difficult to find good, good MDMA that I will truly roll balls on all night. There have only been a select few times the past few years that I've actually full out rolled the way you're suppose to on MDMA, and it's not because I over used it. It's something I really pace myself with and I've always spaced my rolls out by months. It makes me sad sometimes. If I find some good MDMA like that again in the future, I'll be stocking up. I don't think there's a problem with MDMA itself really, I think it's more likely the fact that most MDMA/E contains more adulterants and fillers than actual MDMA anymore.

2.) Abusing MDMA in high amounts over extended periods of time will without a doubt effect your future rolls, possibly permanently. I def know people who can't roll like they used to anymore because they did it every weekend for years and damaged their serotonin receptors. MDMA is definitely something to be respected and not over used, not only will you "lose the magic" but you'll likely cause damage to your serotonin receptors... and that's not pleasant.

3.) Never done mephedrone or MDPV so I can't say much about that but I guess it depends where you live. The scene has definitely changed and morphed but where I live, eating pills and doing MDMA, raving, etc are all still big. There's still a lot of drug use at clubs too here, but clubs aren't my scene really so I can't comment too much about that. I don't think it's really much to do with the scene changing...

I think over all, it's mainly the lack of good quality MDMA/ecstasy. Most of what we get now has more adulterants and fillers in it than actual MDMA and it's a lot weaker and poorer quality than it was in the 90s, sadly.
 
Time goes on: things change, novelty wears off, tolerance occurs, laws change precursor availability and synthesis routes, abuse can cause permanent loss of magic, the past gets glorified etc etc etc..
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you said it!
 
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