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Opioids MMT & Methadone Clinics

thizFreckles

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i've read the Methadone Megathread but wanted more information on the whole process of MMT & methadone clinics like how to get started, do they give you treatment during your first visit, etc. Also wanted to know peoples opinions. so please, if you have experience on this, let's hear it.

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The process and treatment varies greatly depending on where you live and even from clinic to clinic, (and can also depend on your individual situation), so the best idea is to call the clinic and ask them. A decent clinic should be willing to answer any questions you have and provide you with a consultation.

As for opinions, what exactly do you mean? Do you just mean opinions on methadone maintenance in general? I highly recommend you thoroughly research the side effects, withdrawals, and other options (detox? Suboxone?) before considering methadone, and get your info on those things from places other than the methadone clinic. Really think about how long you want to be on it and the ways in which it will impact your life. Many people end up taking it for the rest of their lives and find it unbearable to stop, and it just gets harder the longer you take it, so please keep that in mind and don't make this decision lightly <3 (I really wish I had not stayed on methadone as long as I have and I feel deceived by the clinic about it).

Here is some detailed info on how methadone treatment normally works in the US:

In the United States, you generally have to go to a clinic to receive methadone maintenance treatment, and there are 2 types of methadone clinics, public and private. Public clinics are cheaper to attend or free, however, there is often a waiting list due to limited funding. Private clinics are more expensive but usually have either a short waiting list or no waiting list. You will have to prove that you are dependent on opioids. Some clinics may make you undergo a series of drug tests to prove that you are in fact dependent on opioids and therefore may take a while before you can start taking methadone, while others might just make you do one test and be able to begin treatment soon after (that day or the next day). A medical examination is usually given before you start methadone, which often includes testing for diseases like HIV and Hep C. You will be asked questions to determine the level of your drug addiction/dependence and whether or not methadone is suitable for you. Some clinics will ask you whether you have tried other treatment options and only accept you if you have said that you have tried other treatment options (cold turkey, detox, etc) and failed. While there is no legal age restriction, some clinics will not consider people under 18 or will at least have stricter requirements for entry for someone who is under 18. All US methadone clinics are required to offer counseling, but whether or not attending counseling is a requirement of your treatment varies widely.

The staff usually consists of doctors who prescribe the methadone and nurses who administer the methadone (and usually will make sure you actually take it). At least when you first start methadone, you will have to go to the clinic every day to get your methadone and take it on site (often in the morning). It is normally given once a day, (unless you are determined to metabolize methadone very rapidly and require twice daily dosing, but in my experience most clinics would rather just raise your dose than give it to you twice a day and will only give twice a day dosing under unusual circumstances). You will have to submit to random drug tests. Many clinics will make you sign a contract stating that you understand their rules and agree to comply. Generally you will be started on a relatively low dose of methadone, depending on the clinic and how much heroin (or other opioid) you have been taking, and whether or not you have any health conditions, it can be between 10mg-40mg. You are then monitored to see if it relieves your withdrawal symptoms (and also make sure it isn't too much), then your dose will be gradually titrated upwards. It takes about 5-8 days for methadone to reach its highest stable levels in your system, and you may still feel some withdrawal symptoms while your dose is being raised or until the methadone has reached stable levels, but withdrawals should be minimal. Depending on the clinic (and doctor), your dose will either be raised either to a level that acceptably relieves your withdrawal symptoms, a level that is considered an effective "blocking dose" for other opioids, or some will even continue raising it as long as you say you are still getting cravings.

Also depending on the clinic and depending on your own goals from the treatment, you may have the option of either a "methadone detox", which usually lasts up to 3 weeks, a short term taper which may last a few months, or the goal may be to stay on methadone long-term or even for the rest of your life - which one of these you are doing will also effect the dose you are given. In my experience it is very common to be encouraged to stay on methadone indefinitely at private clinics. If you take any other medications may be a factor in receiving methadone treatment. Methadone is always administered orally, in the US it is normally in liquid form, mixed with flavoring and sweetener (it is sometimes also given in diskets which are added to liquid). Private clinics tend to be less strict than public clinics, but this is not necessarily a good thing.

That's all I can really think of right now, hopefully that helps and I really think that you can get a better idea of the wait times and protocols by calling the clinic, maybe call a few different ones if there are more than one in your area.
 
^good amount of info there. just wanted to add one thing about dose. if you go in for MMT as opposed to detox, they will most likely start you on 30mgs your first visit and work your way up 10mgs a day until you are maintained. some ppl need more than others, but once you find your dose it can really be a life saver. depending on your state you may even be able to get it for free, or next to nothing. i take 110mgs a day and pay 2$ a week for it because it is public. the private side of the clinic charges like 70$ a week and usually deals with insurance.

and def make sure to get all the facts you can before you take the plunge. have you tried bupe at all?
 
Thank you for all the info. I have tried subs but to no avail. I took 2 10mg tabs of the methadone one day when I was sick & wa extremely impressed with how it didn't get me high but COMPLETELY took away my cravings. So I was kinda thinking of maybe getting into the clinic... I think I'm pretty much sold on it, except for the trading one addiction for another thing... :/

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I and many other people found that it does not relieve your cravings for long. Once my brain became used to it the cravings came back - I stopped using heroin for the first couple months when I was on methadone and then ended up going back to it, even worse than before as my tolerance had been raised. Another major consideration is how horrible the withdrawal symptoms are, FAR longer-lasting than heroin. All methadone maintenance really does is postpone withdrawal symptoms, so you still have to work on your mental addiction and the reasons you are addicted to opioids in the first place. It is definitely no magic cure, it just provides you with some time to not have to worry about using heroin or going into withdrawals so you can work on making changes in your life and mental health - if you are willing to put in the effort.

I also strongly advise against being on it for a prolonged period of time, that is my biggest regret. The physical dependence, withdrawal symptoms and changes to your brain get far worse and longer lasting the longer you take methadone.
 
I don't have much info on the methadone ( except that my aunt passed away from it ) but the suboxone I was on for three years and it completely took away my cravings .. But it also took away my Zest for life after awhile , I don't think these medications should be used for long term or at high doses of 240 mg ... If I could go back and get off Vicodin I would any day over the hell of suboxone withdrawal . Plus I was on suboxone longer than the opiates , five weeks off and still have withdrawals . When I went on subs they told me I would have a couple days of a cold like thing lol what a joke .... DO RESEARCH , they never told me anything about the suboxone which is my fault for not asking I guess but hell something that will take away withdrawal obviously I'm gunna go for it . Some people really need that replacement to stay away thought , everyone is different but if someone ever wants to come off methadone I heard its not fun either . Sorry if my opinion is to much lol but suboxone ruined my life literally .
 
Thank you for all the info. I have tried subs but to no avail. I took 2 10mg tabs of the methadone one day when I was sick & wa extremely impressed with how it didn't get me high but COMPLETELY took away my cravings. So I was kinda thinking of maybe getting into the clinic... I think I'm pretty much sold on it, except for the trading one addiction for another thing... :/

Freckles, addiction is such a powerful disease with a depressingly predictable End Game that I am for any treatment out there that works for the individual. Many of us on methadone got our lives and our sanity back. The lives we saved were our own. Sure, some folks don't like it, but as for the rest of us? We are not inclined to knock the reason we were able to step back from the abyss.

Yes, you are trading drug addiction for drug dependency, and what of it? A lot of folks take medication for progressive diseases. Plus, methadone is of pharmaceutical quality, a HELL of a lot cheaper than a dope habit, you can drink it, it is not illegal to possess it, and you have medical oversight.

If you want to get out of the game and take a shot at saving your life, I wish you best of luck, friend.
 
Yes it's a tough thing to overcome and no one should ever underestimate the power of addiction. I was able to beat it ONCE and had about 4 or 5 months clean... Yeah well now look what's happened. I'm more addicted than I was before. I guess that is the trouble of addiction, relapse, relapse, relapse. You have a good point rocketqueen about methadone being cheaper than my doc, oxy... So that is definitely something to consider. Besides the fact that others say eventually the methadone stops fighting your cravings and you start to withdraw, again... I really do want to get out of this game. & I have to go to court ordered drug counseling/classes so I hope that they will be able to help me in a more therapeutical way (vs the methadone). Thank you, & best of luck to you as well..

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For me it wasn't so much a matter of methadone maintenance vs being a junky. It was a matter of getting on MMT or dying. 3 and a half years later and I'm still on 110 mg of methadone and my life is SO much better. WORLDS APART. While it may not be for everyone, it certainly is for me. I pay 300 a month to the clinic; I used to spend more than that PER DAY on dope. I only go once every 2 weeks for doses and I get 13 takehomes at a time, never had a dirty drug tests. I have absolutely ZERO desire to do any opiates whatsoever, and while I understand I'm physically dependent on methadone and am planning on eventually slowly tapering off, I don't really mind if I stay on it indefinitely.

It's helped me so immensely but its NOT for people who are not HEAVY addicts who have at least TRIED AND FAILED at a few other types of rehab or detox. It is also not for lightweights to take to get fucked up on. You do NOT get high. It is definitely NOT euphoric. And it's a hell of a lot stronger than heroin, that's for sure, just in a different way. If you're looking to seriously change your life and not be addicted to opiates anymore it can be a godsend, but look at your choices and make the decision you feel is best for you before you get into a situation you can't easily get out of. I can go up to 3-4 days without feeling the slightest twinge of being sick, because of all of the methadone built up in my system. I haven't been dope sick in nearly 4 years now or used heroin in that long. Hooray.
 
i've read the Methadone Megathread but wanted more information on the whole process of MMT & methadone clinics like how to get started, do they give you treatment during your first visit, etc. Also wanted to know peoples opinions. so please, if you have experience on this, let's hear it.

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It took me abougt 3-4 hours for intake which I had ro arrive before 7am for. I think I was on my way to work by 930am. The first day they will dose you but at the federal mandatory maximum 25mg or 30mg I cant remember. Personally, it did not do SHIT to releive my withdrawals. Then they upped me 10mg every day until reaching the theraputic dose (80mg).

Basically they asked if I inject, wanted to see track marks, asked about habits, then asked about 2000 questions from a questionnaire which is what took FOREVER. I don't even remember what about. They did not drug test me to get in the clinic, and they said they were totally fine with me failing my first drug test and its actually expected, because most people have to supplement their dose until they reach a dose that holds them. They explain teh dosing rules etc... and I made my weekly $50 buck payment.

By day 4 I was at about 60mg and watned to stop there, but you have to see the doctor for that which is another 3-4 hour wait because I was already scheduled to go up to 80mg. I had work so I ended up having no choice but to go all the way up. Let me tell you, it is difficult to get high while no an 80mg dose.

I am on bupe now (whcih is about 2,000,000 times better than being on the meth clinic) and all the way down to 1mg. I can get high off a single bag now vs full bundle shots when I was on the clinic at 80mg. On the upside its easier to not use when on a dose that high etc.. I was on bupe and though tid be a good idea to switch to methadone, but after a year it felt like I was in handcuffs and sucking the clinics dick bending to their every fucking gay ass rule. Getting back on bupe was total freedom. Its SO much easier to taper on bupe too.

I am not gonna knock meth though.. it does help a lot of people. For me it was just scary the level of dependency I was developing at 80mg for a year straight. You'll learn that once your on the clinic a while, you will NOT miss a dose no matter waht it takes to get there lol. The only time I missed is when I wanted to get high the whole day and didnt want that much meth in me...

One thing about the meth that got to me was you could only dose it once a day, and I dosed before work at like 7am, by 9pm all I wanted to do was sleep, I did not feel sociable at ALL (a normal level of sociable I mean) once 9pm came around. During the day especially after my dose I was fine. By the morning 24 hours after my dose I really needed to dose. Its like I could feel withdrawals coming on, not severe by any means but I just felt 'off.' Anyone who has been dependent on opiates knows what I mean about feeling 'off'. That was the main reason for going back to bupe, I could do a split dose.

I switched from 1year on 80mg methadone to 12mg bupe when I first made the jump, and it took about 10-14 days to feel like good and normal. The switch was painless though. I used heroin for 4 days, then waited 36 hours (with the help of K), then dosed my bupe. Not much relief but no precip withdrawals. Tapering down to 1mg was not tough at all. Life on a such a low dose of bupe/opiates is better than its ever been, very little side effects. and if you dont 'vacation' often from the bupe, you really do start to feel great personally I feel better than i did on methadone mainly because I do not experience any up and downs waiting a full 24 hours to redose liek you ahve to with meth.
 
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Been on opiates for about 8 years now, was on Bupe (suboxone and subutex) for about 2 years b4 getting hurt, taking pain meds, and relapsing... Been on MMT for bout 7 months now and I guess Bupe was better in some ways and methadone better in others...

That said, I wouldn' recommend methadone as a first option. Even tho u stop cathcing a buzz from bupe and 'done after a while, ur still kind of "high-ish" from ur daily 'done whereas u feel actually sober from ur daily Bupe... So if the goal is sobriety, bupe will get u in that mindset quicker. But if u tried to get sober and failed b/c u keep going back to full agonist opiates, then 'done will at least keep u from. Engaging in the risky and detrimental behaviors associated with opiate addiction

So to me, first u try Bupe, and Bupe again, and then u can go to 'done if Bupe isn't working...just my 0.02
 
They did not drug test me to get in the clinic,
Do you mean they didn't make you do a drug test before they gave you your first dose of methadone? If so, that's pretty bad, there have been people who died that way (they claimed they had an opioid dependence when they didn't and then overdosed when they were given methadone). I'm surprised that methadone clinics will still give people methadone without a positive drug test.
 
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