Risks of Edible Cannabis

[1394]

lol

The OP was basically asking whether he had any particular reason to be worried about what pesticides might be in the cannabis he planned to eat soon - at least that's what I think he was asking - not whether there were theoretical risks associated with cannabis grown under black market conditions. And as far as I can tell the OP has dozens of more pressing environmental risks in his world, and probably hundreds of other kinds of lifestyle risks, more significant than any theoretical risk from eating a few grams of herb every few weeks. If I misunderstood him and he was asking about what sort of nasty things bad growers do to herb then I agree with your posts.

This was what I was basically asking. Thank you Sock Puppet for clearing that up for me. You are right, there are more pressing issues in my part of the world... like getting stabbed lol. I was just being slightly paranoid about what could go wrong. Now everything is more clear.

AE, thank you too. You know a lot about growing, I was hoping to see you in this thread too.

And thanks to anyone else how contributed to the thread.

 

[Artificial Emotion]

lol

Agribusiness in this hemisphere is a little different than the EU I betcha....especially south of the border....but it's a dirty business everywhere here.


But the real point is - while you and I are no doubt in complete agreement about prohibition causing herb to be grown in ways that are not necessarily safe for the consumer and probably both of us would prefer 'organic'/bio/no-pesticide bud - there is no particular reason to believe that anyone has ever suffered any identifiable harm as a result of consumption of inappropriately grown cannabis. It may well be occurring given the huge population of cannabis users and the explosion in pests and therefore pest control - but it's purely speculative AFAIA. If you have some sort of medical data please point me to it, but I doubt very much you have.

The OP was basically asking whether he had any particular reason to be worried about what pesticides might be in the cannabis he planned to eat soon - at least that's what I think he was asking - not whether there were theoretical risks associated with cannabis grown under black market conditions. And as far as I can tell the OP has dozens of more pressing environmental risks in his world, and probably hundreds of other kinds of lifestyle risks, more significant than any theoretical risk from eating a few grams of herb every few weeks. If I misunderstood him and he was asking about what sort of nasty things bad growers do to herb then I agree with your posts.

Cancer typically can take years or even decades to develop and be diagnosed, so it is not usually possible to link exposure to carcinogens to the malignant cancer when there are so many factors involved. When the person is blissfully unaware that their weed has been soaked in say acaricide for years for example, obviously they are not likely to take the initiative to go and get it tested because they have no reason to be suspicious. So you're asking for evidence no one can possibly provide. Not knowing should not be conflated with no risk. What we do know is that growers do use harmful substances on their plants - that is not in question - and this alone is enough to put me off dealer bud completely.

Here's a video made by a testing lab who describe some of the issues with growth regulators in additives such as the infamous Superbud. People often soak their plants just before harvest, not giving it time to break down or wash off or even use them systemically throughout the grow. In the food industry works, for all it's faults if farmers were to use the sort of growth regulators, hormones etc. banned as extensively as hydroponic cannabis growers and they got caught they would get shut down in no time, unless it's somewhere like Uganda. 99% of the time the pesticides, fungicides etc. that they do use are legal to use and are not the extremely dangerous banned products you will not find being used in agriculture in most of the developed countries (or if you do it is extremely rare). Most of them are not systemic and are mostly washed off when you clean your fruit/veg under the tap and are found in such low concentrations that they do not pose a very high risk to your health.

I am not saying fruit and veg never contains harmful substances. Nor am I saying that all bud has dangerous growth regulators, pesticides residue etc. But the controls and safeguards in agriculture and far better than the unregulated and unmonitored clandestine cannabis industry.

Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to scaremonger. The risks of issues from any random sample of bud from a dealer are extremely low, but they are there.

If I misunderstood him and he was asking about what sort of nasty things bad growers do to herb then I agree with your posts.

He asked this which I understood to mean harmful sprayed on substances:

What are the risks of edible cannabis (strictly non-legal, by that I mean non-dispensary pot) in terms of different spreys

 

[sockpuppet]

edt

 

[Artificial Emotion]

Good points on the systemic thing. A lot of what people use here is only approved for ornamentals.

But I'd still suggest the both food production and monitoring here is a good bit more corrupt than you might think.

^ I've have actually had some experience working in agriculture in both Canada (Newfoundland and Ontario) and the UK with hops cultivation and processing, apple cultivation and berry cultivation, so I know how the industry works by in large in these two countries. I can't speak for the US but things are not significantly different in terms of food safety with respect to pesticides etc. I also have been growing cannabis for years and know exactly what people get up to both in the UK, Canada and the US. In the UK a large amount of the bud is produced by Vietnamese gangs. In the US and Canada there are also issues with the suppliers being less than scrupulous. Not only that but well meaning people have no clue.

And testing labs are trying to drum up business everywhere here with scaremongering - that's the nature of such things. Same as the 'organic' crowd have their agenda.

Possibly but they are not my sole source of information. It's not like I only became aware of the issue after watching the video in question. Additives like Superbud, Rox, dynamec, torq have been a plague for years and are used by many growers. I see no reason to be cynical of that testing company since they get so much business from dispensaries, breeders and even private individuals who like to have the cannabinoid profile of their weed tested that they have no reason to do that. The company in question if you view all their other videos it's quite clear that they are not in the business of scaremongering at all. The info in the video can all be verified if you are skeptical anyway.

But that said I agree with your mission - just not with the idea that someone asking about whether they should be anxious while ingesting a semi-psychedelic in fact has any reason for anxiety. There is no reason to be concerned about acute or long term effects from occasional cannabis ingestion - and even nasty commercially grown Euro herb sprayed with silicates or whatever is of no medical concern eaten. So no need to tweak - enjoy your majoun OP......AND then grow your own if possible... ;-)

Not silica etchant through the smoking ROA, but other additives used to add weight have consisted of toxic additives.

Sockpuppet, do you actually grow cannabis yourself?

 

[sockpuppet]

edt

 

[Artificial Emotion]

Not something I would discuss on a googled board like BL actually - but have been around cultivation for 30+ years and know well the nastiness that comes with it.

You've been around cultivation for 30 years, I take that to you don't grow, unless I've misunderstood? Don't worry if you don't wish to discuss specifics.

It's true my skepticism regarding agricultural pesticide rules being followed in the US and our food source countries to the South is based more on long experience with the ubiquity of corruption in our society rather than personal experience on farms. It's certainly possible that the farmers and FDA can be trusted here and it's not all faked like everything else, but I'd bet on it following the normal pattern rather than being an exception.

It's easy to be skeptical of something when one is sitting from the sidelines looking in. With respect and I don't mean to be condescending, I would suggest visiting the farms or even researching into the issue of food safety before passing judgement. No food safety system is perfect but I'm sure most would agree, better than there being none at all (like with canna).

But again - I agree with you about ideals, and I'm not saying that many of the things being used on cannabis aren't toxic and with the potential to impact humans over time. What I AM saying is that having FEAR about the consequences of eating or smoking small amounts of cannabis is pointless - because there is as of yet little evidence of consequences in humans and MANY other reasons to be far more fearful of other common environmental and lifestyle risks. It's strictly for hypochondriacs.....

No one needs to be fearful, that's not what I'm saying at all. But given what we know goes on, switching to home grown can reduce harm. Knowledge is power and I would rather people be educated about the issue than not.

 

[sockpuppet]

edt

 

[THC2LSD]

I'd say the biggest risk with edibles is you eat some, feel you haven't taken enough, eat or smoke more, then it hits you and you get blazed as fuck for a long time.

I've had similar speculations that various agrochemicals and pathogens on some black market cannabis could have toxic effects, eaten or smoked. Think about it, do you think that the drug gangs that kill, rob and kidnap people, make impure drugs and cut them them with bad cuts, give a fuck about government regulations? Fuck no! They're going to uses whatever is cheapest and will maximize profits.

I've had some bad weed that felt not unlike pesticide poisoning. I seriously think that some of those that think their weed was laced really had weed grown with this bad shit.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

You're at risk of getting super high. That's about it.

^This.^ You'll be fine OP don't overthink it.

I've made edibles one time with schwag or mids, and it worked well.

I know some people drive after smoking, or vaping. I personally would not drive after eating edibles or while you're high on them especially if you wind up eating a lot of herb like THC2LSD wrote about. I ate a few grams since I figured I'd have to since I'd smoked herb all that week and it was schwag/mids.

I got very stoned, passed out, was unable to move at times during the night, and got confused some that night but this can happen from very large doses of edible herb. I'm glad I was not driving or forced to drive at all that night.

I'd like to try edibles again but I'll try a lower dose of 0.5g instead of 2-3g.

 

[1394]

Thank you all for the responses.

I must get down to make some majoon... "one of these days".

 

[Fortunia]

It seems to me the best way to avoid "hypochondrial paranoia" is to get good quality weed from a source you know and trust.

I once made a 2 oz straw purchase of some decent looking slightly compressed seeded reg buds that smelled like Raid insecticide spray. I didn't know the source personally and I was paranoid that it really had been sprayed with Raid. I wondered if it had become infested with bugs somewhere along the way and the dealer sprayed the weed after he got it.

Since it was a third party purchase, I felt I could not ask for my money back. I was disgusted and resigned to my loss so I put both sacks in a brown paper lunch bag and impulsively tossed it out in the field behind my house.

A month later I was dry and needy so I went out and retrieved the "Raid Weed" and ended up smoking it. I tried to convince myself that the aroma was natural. Maybe it was, but since I knew nothing about the origin, I was left unsure. Such are the risks of black market buys. Looking back, its funny how I didn't throw that "Raid Weed" out with the weekly trash pickup. Anyway, I got high and I didn't die.

I personally have never seen prepared edibles sold on the black market. My homemade edibles are very simple and I know the weed source personally. I know how the stuff was grown so I have no worries about contamination. Depending on the bud, a third of a gram to 1 gram of weed on a Leary biscuit, garlic toast, cheese toast or pizza bites will do it for me. %)

 

[rangrz]

No recorded deaths due to cannabis only, ever.

But some things which are nasty enough that, given the wide usage of, and history of, it is likely someone died of effects triggered by cannabis, but without being recorded as such either do to it being rare/uncommon or being convoluted and more direct, specific finding listed.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1468-3083.2006.01947.x/abstract
Necrotic ulcers requiring amputation are not minor. It should be obvious such an issue can easily be fatal.

It's been shown to perturb blood flow in the brain, with this study taking that to it's conclusion and suspecting it as a cause of stroke in adolescents, with one in the study dying from it.

It's hard to determine what "recorded" means, as these sorts of deaths get recorded in a more specific manner.

Smoking cannabis has been found to significantly raise the risk of heart attack for a short time after smoking in older men, never the less, one could never say definitively that cannabis caused any single death (much like you can't give 100% confidence that smoking caused any single instance of lung cancer), such deaths would be legally registered as natural causes/no foul play and no misadventure and medically just registered as M.I.'s, but some probably are the direct consequence of smoking up.

Rangrz is pedantic and dislikes blanket claims that skip over finer points. But I don't think any of this is specific to edibles, tho it still applies to them.

 

[Stoned Immaculate]

Risks of Edible Cannabis

-Couch-lock
-Eating mass amounts of food
-Knocking out for a nap