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Heroin Is there a way to tell if a cut is dangerous?

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xburtonchic

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Besides injecting it until you find out the hard way, I mean. :p

For example, when I went to cook up another fix later, I found that a ton of huge wet black clumps of powder had accumulated all over my cooker and my cotton. It shouldn't have surprised me - the shot didn't even get me remotely high, despite doing almost twice my normal amount - but I've never seen anything like it before.

*NOTE: This is NOT a "zomg what's in my cut?!?!!1" thread! I mean, obviously if that wet, left-behind powdery shit sounds familiar to someone and they happen to have an idea about what it could be, cool, but that isn't my main concern. It's a little too late to be worrying about what it's cut with anyway - what's done is done.*

Yeah, so things like that - the powder or other strange things left behind, or maybe even the color of the liquid (another very strange thing - it was PITCH black when I had it in the cooker, but drawn up it was a very light yellow. wtf idk.) Pretty much just want to know the difference between a dangerous cut vs. a person who just doesn't know wtf they're doing when they're adding the cut.

I'm just gonna go ahead and assume I'm going to hear, "There's no way to know for sure" for the most part, but idk I guess it doesn't hurt to ask.

Excuse any typos... slamming that shit made me feel hella sick -- major headache and complete body/mind exhaustion, not to mention upset stomach... ohh blahh. :(
 
Other than actual chemical testing there are none that I know of that wouldn't be pure speculation, but perhaps someone more experienced in this area could weigh in with some insight.

Just for your sake, I think it goes without saying, but avoid doing anything obtained from that source again. And I hope you get to feeling better, keep us posted on that part.
 
Oh my god!!! ok this gear when you pour onto desk it looks like an odd colour, don't it? I had uSED THIS stuff 3 times.

time 1 I shot about 3-4 UK 170-200mg bagsm rush was like dulled morphine - um HEADACCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCHEE!!!! and flu for 2 days BAD which I cured with more smack, I got a bit better and used again shot 2 bags and snorted others not so ill the hangover......... and I used 4 bags today 1 shot/iv and 3 railed.

Throwing up was bad at first. I think this shit you have to smoke maybe, can I ask where you live like NW ENGLAND?

edit sorry I was meant to post this last night!

BTW woke up half ok this morning had been up 2 days so to be expected
 
there is no way no to know for sure brother, i've shot up coke that mixed up light blue in the syringe. What you want is for everything to do dissolve but even so u dont know whats dissolved with the straight shit.
 
I've done dope that mixed up in all manner of colors and consistencies. I mean..generally, you want your dope to break down as clear as possible. However, that doesn't always mean a batch is stronger or weaker than another. I've had super strong cloudy gross shit and super weak crystal clear shit. As far as the danger aspect goes.. common sense would probably dictate that injecting a clearer solution would be better for you then a sludgy/cloudy one.. but again, not always the case. There are plenty of harmless cuts that make your dope cloudy and gross looking... and also plenty of cuts that make your dope break down clean that are super harmful.
 
mr.scagnattie said:
I've done dope that mixed up in all manner of colors and consistencies. I mean..generally, you want your dope to break down as clear as possible. However, that doesn't always mean a batch is stronger or weaker than another. I've had super strong cloudy gross shit and super weak crystal clear shit. As far as the danger aspect goes.. common sense would probably dictate that injecting a clearer solution would be better for you then a sludgy/cloudy one.. but again, not always the case. There are plenty of harmless cuts that make your dope cloudy and gross looking... and also plenty of cuts that make your dope break down clean that are super harmful.
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I tried to add something to this post, and after three failed attempts I gave up. Mr.Scagnettie speaks the truth. Your best bet at being safe is a micron filter.
 
This is going to sound lame, but... I don't know how to use a micron filter. lol. I wouldn't even know where to get one. I've always just used cottons. Not the safest way, I know.

I feel much better now, thanks bronson. I think I may have given myself cotton fever (which just adds to the whole "I should be using a micron filter thing" lol). Like an hour after I posted this I had a fever of 103.4 that came on very suddenly and rapidly. It lasted for maybe 6 hours or so, I did another shot of dope to try to find some relief (I was in SO much pain it wasn't even funny), and it went away almost as suddenly as it came. I'm no stranger to cotton fever, but this time it was fucking intense.

I never did find out what it was cut with. I called my dealer and asked him, and he quickly changed the subject to how annoying it was to try to separate it into sacks because of how sticky the shit was. Thank God he got a new batch. But his reaction has me thinking that he may have been the one to cut it... if so, I hope my inadvertently calling him out about it made him think twice about trying to pull that shit again.
 
Its very easy, you use it in place of a cotton. it sucks shit through it. You attach it to the end of a syringe (depending on the kind it might not 'attach" but still goes there), push the liquid through filter. bam, shit is micron filtered.

Theres a huge guide onto how to using them.

And you didnt make him think even 1.5 times. He changed the subject and you idnt pursue. He knows you'll be back even though you know it was bad, so why in gods name would he NOT do that, if you are still going to go back and get it even though it was cut? Answer: he wont.
 
xburtonchic said:
This is going to sound lame, but... I don't know how to use a micron filter. lol. I wouldn't even know where to get one.
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There is literally a step by step instructional on how to use micron filters here. As for where to get them, a quick google search will tell you that.
 
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I know I could learn how to use them easily. I have a friend who uses micron filters for everything and I'm sure he'd be happy to teach me. I still wouldn't know how to get them though. The only places I know of that have them are needle exchanges, and there are none in my area.

Nah, my dealer actually listens to his customers. Plus he knows I won't tolerate any bullshit from him, and that if he pisses me off someone else will be getting my money instead of him lol. I won't pick up off of him if he has dope I don't like, and he knows that too. After I called him out about it on the phone, he didn't try giving me that bunk shit again and just sold me my next sack out of his personal stash. Kind of like how I told him I was going to start going through another guy I knew because I was sick of him being late all the time, and the very next day he's bragging about how he's written down a "schedule" for how long it should take him to make all of his stops because he "hates being late"... haha yeah, I'm sure he hates being late. More like enough people probably got sick of it and threatened to go elsewhere. And now all of the sudden he's constantly offering to deliver to me. Probably a mixture of the fact that he's one of my close friends, the fact that I give him money practically everyday, and the fact that I bring him a ton of new customers. There are very few people that he goes out of his way for like that. I don't know how much I helped out his other customers, but I guarantee that when I say I don't like something, I won't be getting that something ever again. I think he would listen regardless of those circumstances though... he's a good guy, anyway.

I just wanted to know what it was cut with. It's not like I would have been like, "OMG it was cut with THAT?! Wtf I'm never going to pick up from you again ever in life, fuck you!" He could have just told me and it would have been fine - I was just curious. I really want to know what kind of cut would leave SO MUCH clumpy powder shit behind...

EDIT: I've seen C.H's micron filtering thread before, and while I think he did an excellent job on it, I have to admit I tuned out pretty quickly. I am totally NOT the type of person that learns best by reading shit. I'm better with the hands-on stuff. But C.H is actually one of my friends IRL... the friend I was talking about above, actually... and I've seen him micro filter things dozens of times. Like I said I'm sure he'd be happy to teach me if I wanted him to, but I haven't had any need. Cottons have worked fine for me, I know it's not the best method, but there are risks with injecting no matter how you filter it. Cotton fever is one of the lesser of all the evils and really isn't even that bad IMO. At least the two times I've accidentally given it to myself it hasn't been unmanageable... well three times now if you count yesterday... although I still don't know for sure whether that was actually cotton fever or something else. My temperature was suspiciously high for it to be cotton fever, but anything is possible.
 
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xburtonchic said:
Like I said I'm sure he'd be happy to teach me if I wanted him to, but I haven't had any need. Cottons have worked fine for me, I know it's not the best method, but there are risks with injecting no matter how you filter it. Cotton fever is one of the lesser of all the evils and really isn't even that bad IMO. At least the two times I've accidentally given it to myself it hasn't been unmanageable... well three times now if you count yesterday... although I still don't know for sure whether that was actually cotton fever or something else. My temperature was suspiciously high for it to be cotton fever, but anything is possible.
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This doesn't make any sense. You are not going to know if using a cotton will cause serious damage until it's too late. The tiny particles build up over time, or and infection will get through and you get a heart infection that kills you or something. The bottom line is that nobody can tell the damage that they are doing to themselves by using an inferior filtration device since it's not something that is immediately felt, other than cotton fever as you mentioned. So the "I've never needed to use one" argument doesn't make any sense.

Injecting pills (or anything) can result in contaminants entering your body such as insoluble particles or bacteria and fungi. These things can irritate and inflame tissue and veins, cause infections in skin/muscle (granuloma, abscess). They can also result in local and systemic infection from the bacteria/fungi.

Insoluble and undissolved particles can cause microcirculation capillaries (5-10um) to become blocked, they clog up in the heart and lungs. Granulomas in the lungs are caused by inflammation which leads to scar tissue (fibrosis). Congmomerate masses lead to restrictive lung disease and pulmonary hypertension. The particles also reach other organs (liver, kidney etc) (source).

And although that is specifically about injecting pills, the same goes for any drug that has insoluble cuts. I bet tar is even worse than most pills anyway.
 
DooMMooD said:
Its very easy, you use it in place of a cotton. it sucks shit through it. You attach it to the end of a syringe (depending on the kind it might not 'attach" but still goes there), push the liquid through filter. bam, shit is micron filtered.

Theres a huge guide onto how to using them.

And you didnt make him think even 1.5 times. He changed the subject and you idnt pursue. He knows you'll be back even though you know it was bad, so why in gods name would he NOT do that, if you are still going to go back and get it even though it was cut? Answer: he wont.
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So true, just remember 99.9% of drug dealers are NOT your: friends/buddies/pals/homies/mates/amigos, but rather: liars/thieves/cheats/saps/sociopaths/tricksters/psychopaths/(and even)killers! So, be smart and trust your instincts. Good luck on finding that 0.1%. If you actually have a true 'friend' who sells you the unadulterated drugs you ask for, you are one in a million. You are a shooting star. Don't you just <3 the game...why not? The DEA does. :|
 
Tommyboy - what I meant by saying, "I've never needed to use one", is that I have always had cottons available, but I do not always have micron filters available. The only time they have been available for my use is when I've been over to C.H's place. And I do not like to make a habit of doing my drugs there, because he is clean and I think it's rude for me to do so. But in that rare instance I've needed to because I'd been there a while and was kicking or whatever, I've utilized a micron filter. I'm not arguing that they're safer and that using cottons don't pose risks - like I said, I'm no stranger to cotton fever - I'm just saying that I don't have easy access to them and so a cotton suffices.

IMO, the risks that come along with shooting up in general are far more than the risks posed by using a cotton filter. Bacteria is getting into your system whether you use a more superior means of filtration or not. I've never heard of cotton causing bacteria to build up and stay in your body over time. In the rare instance where a strain of 'enterobacter' (the endotoxin which causes cotton fever - there is another part to it's name which I forget) does get into your system, your body fights it off until it kills it - hence the fever - so I don't imagine it would build up over time unless you had a faulty immune system. I could be wrong, of course, but it seems logical that one would be sick all of the time if that were the case?

I just don't think that your method of filtration should be your biggest concern when shooting up. That's not to say you should use something like lint from your clothes/car seats/belly button to filter the solution, but people have been using plain cotton for ages. I have yet to hear of a case where someone has died or even had serious long-term complications from the use of cotton alone. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but if it does I have a hunch that it's extremely rare. The truth is, shooting up is dangerous regardless, but still you have a better chance of dying from a bad cut or an abscess than from utilizing a cotton filter.

I'll be the first to admit that dealers are not the most savory of characters. BUT, I don't believe many dealers would cut their stuff with malicious intentions. If they did, it would most likely be an accident nine times out of ten. Why would they want effectively run their business into the ground by killing any chance of future sales (no pun intended)? As for my dealer, I think he changed the subject because he knew he got a bad batch or possibly tried cutting it himself, and felt like an idiot about it. Plain and simple. He did say he would be avoiding picking up that shit ever again, but whether it was from the HORRIBLE job at adding the cut or the fact that almost all of his customers complained (so he says)... who knows. He's been my homie long before he was my dealer. I see him as a friend first, dealer second... and I'm almost positive he sees me the same way (except in his case it would be friend first, customer second obviously lol). Sure, he has no problems taking my money when I'm still using, but he is my number one supporter when I tell him I want to quit. For example: a few weeks ago, I was going into detox and I told him not to sell to me for at least two weeks after I got out - no matter how desperate I was. Well, of course I ended up relapsing, but no thanks to him - he refused to sell me shit and I was left to my own devices... had to find a different supplier for the next two weeks. Of course, true to his word, he picked back up once the two weeks were up but still. Example number two: as of today, I am being forced to quit due to upcoming drug testing three times per week for the next four months. Guess who's refusing to give me his new business number but has instructed me to call his personal number any time, day or night, if I need someone to talk to/vent to/bitch at? And that's more than I can say for... well, anyone else. Says a lot about my so-called "friends" if you ask me. 99% of them want nothing to do with me anymore, some of them after finding out that I used heroin in the first place; the rest have given up on me after failing at quitting a few times. So yes, I do consider him a friend, even a good one at that. I'd even go so far as saying I trust him, maybe not completely, but in a sense. I mean, he managed to quit doing dope on his own without even help from Suboxone so that he could get on Vivitrol, which he's been on for about 6 months now (without relapsing once though that's mostly due to the fact that he knows it won't work and would therefore be a huge waste), and he is more than willing to use his experience to help me through the next couple of days while I go through my own detox. My dealer is good people. I'm not saying he's perfect, but then again, who is? And I would only say that about one other dealer I've had in my whole entire life. I don't trust people easily, so that's saying something!

My point is, not all dealers are bad people. I'd even go so far as to say that it's more than just .1% :)

Wow this thread got derailed really fast!

Interesting thread, Tony Williams. I've never experienced what you did exactly, but I've had a somewhat similar experience so I'm going to go respond to it now...
 
i've had dope that not all of it dissolved, hell all the dope i've ever shot had a little bit of shit that wouldn't dissolve, and i just used a cotton to filter it and it was fine.
you SHOULD micron but you should be getting pretty much all undissolved shit out when you run it through a cotton.
the black clumps of powder is weird to me though.
all the D i've ever shot (which isn't that much, i've mostly snorted it...) has been tan/light light light brown in color, and the shit that wouldn't dissolve would be tan/same color as the D. i think i can remember seeing a black speck in the bottlecap after filtering once or twice though, but it was literally just one speck, none in the solution..
are you heating your dope?
if its powder you dont need to heat it.
 
No powder... I've only come across it, like, a grand total of two times. It's mostly Mexican tar around here.

I used to heat my dope, but I don't anymore. I did for the longest time, but recently I came across something on here that said more bacteria builds up when you heat it because it isn't hot enough to kill off the bacteria, but it's warm enough to help it grow. And when I thought about it, every time I've had cotton fever has happened when I've heated it up first. I stopped heating it and just dealt with the extra couple of minutes it took to dissolve it mixing it around with the plunger after that. There have been a couple of times when I've been kicking hard and didn't want to take the extra time so I just heated it up, though. This last time I suspect I got cotton fever was one of those times. I think that person was on to something... I mean... you really don't heat it up long enough for it to reach the temperature required to completely kill off bacteria, and it goes from "hot" to "lukewarm" pretty quickly. Almost immediately.

I'm glad I'm being forced to quit. This thread is really throwing the dangers of having an IV heroin habit in my face. :/
 
ohic.
idk i could see why you'd heat tar.
i've only had powder, we dont have tar.
i wouldn't ever touch tar.
 
xburtonchic said:
IMO, the risks that come along with shooting up in general are far more than the risks posed by using a cotton filter. Bacteria is getting into your system whether you use a more superior means of filtration or not. I've never heard of cotton causing bacteria to build up and stay in your body over time. In the rare instance where a strain of 'enterobacter' (the endotoxin which causes cotton fever - there is another part to it's name which I forget) does get into your system, your body fights it off until it kills it - hence the fever - so I don't imagine it would build up over time unless you had a faulty immune system. I could be wrong, of course, but it seems logical that one would be sick all of the time if that were the case?
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Actually micron filters are able to filter out bacteria.
 
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