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Opioids methadone dosage (help again!)

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@uncleuncle

Are you mentally retarded??? Based on your logic you are saying that because you saw hardcore long time veterans use 40-80 mg, that in someway makes 40 mg completly safe for non tolerant? Doesnt get much worse than that for advice.
Cant cure stupid.
 
@uncleuncle

Are you mentally retarded???
Cant cure stupid.

Dunno, but I can, at least, read. The most common flame tactic is to ignore the actual point of a post and go off on any small part that can be exploited. The amount of methadone prescribed to non addicts for pain was the point, the giant amounts dispensed at clinics an interesting anecdote. I'm correct in both cases and write for a living, so now we can apply inductive logic and determine the actual problem here: inexperienced geniuses aping what they heard and not liking informed rebuttal.
 
Dunno, but I can, at least, read. The most common flame tactic is to ignore the actual point of a post and go off on any small part that can be exploited. The amount of methadone prescribed to non addicts for pain was the point, the giant amounts dispensed at clinics an interesting anecdote. I'm correct in both cases and write for a living, so now we can apply inductive logic and determine the actual problem here: inexperienced geniuses aping what they heard and not liking informed rebuttal.

@unkle...
I believe there was no reason for that poster to go w/retarded or stupid..
when really this is no more than a difference in perspective...

After saying that...

Sure...inductive logic tells us all that out of these 23 posts ..
you are right..and the rest of us know nothing...

Completely logical.



~token
 
Guys, this thread seems to be spiraling out of control, and advice is being given that is dangerous and not in the spirit of Harm Reduction. What might not even get one person buzzed, may very well kill another person. It depends on so many different variables that it's really impossible, especially with a drug like Methadone to give advice on dosages when the goal is to achieve euphoria.

If people don't chill the fuck out and stop disrecting others and spreading ludicrous information, this thread is going to be closed. Methadone is not a drug to be taken lightly. I'm not going to sit here and judge anyone for using it to get high, as I've been there before, but I will say that it has compromised my health to the point where I've been unconscious n a hospital bed for three days, only to awaken as a catheter was being yanked from my urethra.

Things to consider when taking methadone, especially with a low tolerance:

-It has a long onset and long duration. just because you're not high after an hour doesn't mean that you didn't take enough. The first time I took methadone (for recreational purposes), I bought a 100mg and started off with 30mg. I waited two hours and didn't feel anything so assumed that what I has been sold was either watered down, or that methadone was a lot weaker than I expected. I brilliantly then decided to just drink the remaining 70mg. An hour later the most intense, overwhelming high started to hit me, and I litterally blacked out, and woke up in my bed about 36 hours later. I'm lucky to be alive. The lesson from this experience is always wait at least 2-3 hours before redosing, and if you do re-dose, only take a small amount more.

-It has a long half life. Methadone has a half life ranging from 24-48 hours. This makes it dangerous to use multiple days in a row, even if your not upping your dosage. Say you took 20mg yesterday, and now, 24 hours later, you decide to take another 20.. Well, you've still got about 10mg of Methadone in your system from the day before, so taking 20mg would really be more like taking 30mg. For detox and maintenance, this long half life comes in handy as it allows the medication to build up in your system over a period of about 1-2 weeks, creating a state of stability. For people just taking the drug to get high, this can work against them, and lead to an overdose.

Lastly, metabolism and potentiator's. There are Certain foods, supplements and medications that one should avoid when taking methadone, such as P-glycoprotein Inhibitors,CYP2D6 inhibitors, and MAOI's.
 
^Well said Znegative :)
I just wanted to point out that the half-life can vary even greater than that, which is an important thing for people to consider, both when taking it recreationally or therapeutically. The half-life is often stated as around 24 hrs, but that is actually just a rough average. Studies have shown the half-life can vary between individuals from as little as 4.2 hrs to as much as 190 hrs. [source]
 
Okay people told me to do 10mg and it would be good, so I did, I got a slight buzz with no nod. Then I did 20mg got euphoria and a slight nod.

Last night I smoked loads of opium, and today I woke up and did 10mg of methadone again.

Im thinking about doing 30mg of methadone, I want to experience nodding out properly. 10mg diff did not do it, neither did 20...


Would 30mg do the job? or should I just do 25mg to be on the safe side?
Dude. Go get some other opioid. A real nod? Get Heroin. Methadone is not recreational unless you like playing very very unsafe. The dose curve for methadone....don't be dumb man. I could see you enjoying yourself, but I can tell youd think your ok to take more after and 10more mgs ontop of 30 or 5mgs that van put you in a od situation. Dont do it. Heroin is atleast a REAL nod. If you cant get it I have nodded Haaard on morphine.....so whatever a real nod is....its not in methadone....be safe
 
Dude. Go get some other opioid. A real nod? Get Heroin. Methadone is not recreational unless you like playing very very unsafe. The dose curve for methadone....don't be dumb man. I could see you enjoying yourself, but I can tell youd think your ok to take more after and 10more mgs ontop of 30 or 5mgs that van put you in a od situation. Dont do it. Heroin is atleast a REAL nod. If you cant get it I have nodded Haaard on morphine.....so whatever a real nod is....its not in methadone....be safe

Hmm... That poses an interesting question. Normally I would say that it is NOT in the interest of harm reduction to suggest someone use heroin. But in the case of recreationally using a drug like methadone (that is illicitly obtained on the street), could it actually be less dangerous to use heroin? I don't know. Guess that will be up to the OD mods.
 
I don't think it is HR to tell this person to use (which basically means seek out and use) heroin. I think it is HR to explain the long half-life of methadone and to point out that it is a tool that opiate users use to either gradually get off of drugs like heroin or morphine and not something to toy with in order to achieve a high. You already mentioned that you are smoking opium... To my knowledge this has something like 20 different opiates in it. It is the source of all pharmaceutical opiates. The mother of invention. Someone else in here stated that they know people who could no longer get their high off of heroin when using methadone at the same time, so do you think it is possible that the methadone is interacting in a negative (preventing you from achieving your desired high) effect on your "nod"? I think it is quite possible. Perhaps you should consider not mixing the two drugs, and experience them for what they are alone, at least until you have a vast understanding of the drug and it's effects on YOUR body. <3 HR
 
Yeah probably not a good idea for someone to use heroin given these circumstances with his current "HR is a scare-tactic" opinion.

If one cannot safely use pharmaceuticals I don't think you can suggest in good faith them safely using heroin.
 
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