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stimulant psychosis or sleep deprivation psychosis?

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JackiesBabyy

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When I'm on a 2-FMA binge and I've been awake for 4-5 days, I start showing symptoms of psychosis(auditory hallucinations, thinking every conversation between two people that I hear is about me, seeing things in peripheral vision). Now, is that what stimulant psychosis is? Or would the same thing happen if you stayed up that long without the help of stimulants?
 
Sleep deprivation my friend. You need some good sleep, good food, some nutrients in you and catch up on your zzzzz"s.

It may not be as pronounced for a person who was not on powerful stimulants, obviously it would he terribly hard to stay awake but they arnt pushing there body in overdrive the entire time.

One night of sleep should fix the auditory and peripheral hallucinations, but it will take a few good nights to feel like your all there again.
 
Cloroxtastebad said:
Sleep deprivation my friend. You need some good sleep, good food, some nutrients in you and catch up on your zzzzz"s.

It may not be as pronounced for a person who was not on powerful stimulants, obviously it would he terribly hard to stay awake but they arnt pushing there body in overdrive the entire time.

One night of sleep should fix the auditory and peripheral hallucinations, but it will take a few good nights to feel like your all there again.
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So what IS stimulant psychosis and what causes it? (stimulants obviously cause it, but how?)
 
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JackiesBabyy said:
So what IS stimulant psychosis and what causes it? (stimulants obviously cause it, but how?)
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Honestly they are basically the same thing. Stimulant psychosis is caused by lack of sleep, good eating, and having dopamine flood your brain.
your body is working harder than usual because of the stimulant, and after days of no sleep one will often times begin to get paranoid, confused, experience visual and audio hallucinations, and feel unattached to the world.

So there really isn't a difference, unless it causes psychosis similar to schizophrenia, which in turn cant be cured, just medicated.

There is a big difference between psychosis and stimulant psychosis (often called drug induced psychosis).
 
Cloroxtastebad said:
Honestly they are basically the same thing. Stimulant psychosis is caused by lack of sleep, good eating, and having dopamine flood your brain.
your body is working harder than usual because of the stimulant, and after days of no sleep one will often times begin to get paranoid, confused, experience visual and audio hallucinations, and feel unattached to the world.

So there really isn't a difference, unless it causes psychosis similar to schizophrenia, which in turn cant be cured, just medicated.

There is a big difference between psychosis and stimulant psychosis (often called drug induced psychosis).
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I've heard of some cases of stim psychosis lasting months. How much meth(or it's flourinated cousin) would you have to abuse to get something like that?
 
JackiesBabyy said:
I've heard of some cases of stim psychosis lasting months. How much meth(or it's flourinated cousin) would you have to abuse to get something like that?
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Those are the more rare cases I mentioned earlier. Extensive use of methamphetamine has been shown to cause a long duration psychosis. The amount needed to cause this is unknown to me. I wouldn't worry about something like that however. You just need sleep.

The cause of a stimuli psychosis that last for weeks or so has been linked to lessoned brain activity after heavy stimulant use. Usually the brain ail begin to function as it once did.
 
I was sick once last year and found it impossible to get sleep for two days.

I felt pretty much the same way I have felt after a night meth.

I didn't know that the hallucinations were psychosis. I thought I was having a kick ass ride.
 
ugly said:
I was sick once last year and found it impossible to get sleep for two days.

I felt pretty much the same way I have felt after a night meth.

I didn't know that the hallucinations were psychosis. I thought I was having a kick ass ride.
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Haha yeah, imagine having paranoid schizophrenia, living the rest of your life on either day 5 of a meth bender, or if medicated with antipsychotics, living the rest of your life the day after a meth bender.(anhedonia and etc.). I think if I were diagnosed with that I'd put a bullet in my head.
 
It is the mixture of the two, but it is mainly the drug. A psychostimulant like dextroamphetamine or methamphetamine have side effects and properties which cause paranoia (can be extreme in certain cases), hallucinations, delusional thinking, feelings of power and immense self-confidence, anxiety, anorexia (total appetite suppression), aggression and irritability combined with the insomnia causes amphetamine psychosis. Insomnia or the sleep deprivation alone does not cause psychosis on its own (unless you're up for at least 10-14 days, which is hard to do without drugs and even then the psychosis wouldn't be severe schizophrenia like). I've been up for 5-6 days due to insomnia (no drugs taken) and I was completely fine. I was more irritable, fatigued, and usually had headaches and general body aches but nothing serious or schizophrenia like behavior. I believe it is more the drug than the sleep deprivation, but the two combined along with anorexia makes things worse, of course. But the drugs are the main cause.

The symptoms of acute amphetamine psychosis are very similar to that of the acute phase of schizophrenia.

I think the amphetamines are much more likely to produce psychosis (and a more severe psychosis state) than cocaine/crack, methylphenidate, and most other stimulants. This is due to their potency as psychostimulants. They are generally more powerful stimulants than cocaine/crack, methylphenidate, MDMA, ephedrine, selegiline, phentermine, etc.
 
kokaino said:
It is the mixture of the two, but it is mainly the drug. A psychostimulant like dextroamphetamine or methamphetamine have side effects and properties which cause paranoia (can be extreme in certain cases), hallucinations, delusional thinking, feelings of power and immense self-confidence, anxiety, anorexia (total appetite suppression), aggression and irritability combined with the insomnia causes amphetamine psychosis. Insomnia or the sleep deprivation alone does not cause psychosis on its own (unless you're up for at least 10-14 days, which is hard to do without drugs and even then the psychosis wouldn't be severe schizophrenia like). I've been up for 5-6 days due to insomnia (no drugs taken) and I was completely fine. I was more irritable, fatigued, and usually had headaches and general body aches but nothing serious or schizophrenia like behavior. I believe it is more the drug than the sleep deprivation, but the two combined along with anorexia makes things worse, of course. But the drugs are the main cause.

The symptoms of acute amphetamine psychosis are very similar to that of the acute phase of schizophrenia.

I think the amphetamines are much more likely to produce psychosis (and a more severe psychosis state) than cocaine/crack, methylphenidate, and most other stimulants. This is due to their potency as psychostimulants. They are generally more powerful stimulants than cocaine/crack, methylphenidate, MDMA, ephedrine, selegiline, phentermine, etc.
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Phentermine and ephedrine are in the amphetamine family, and MDMA stands for methylenedioxymethamphetamine
 
JackiesBabyy said:
Phentermine and ephedrine are in the amphetamine family, and MDMA stands for methylenedioxymethamphetamine
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But they aren't as potent psychostimulants (especially not ephedrine or phentermine). I know what MDMA is, but it is vastly different from methamphetamine. Just because it has the word "methamphetamine" in it doesn't mean that it is very similar to it. First of all, methamphetamine produces severe psychological and even physical dependence. MDMA does not produce any serious measure of psychological dependence and some studies have even put it below cannabis and it doesn't produce physical dependence.

Selegiline is a methamphetamine derivative, but that don't mean junk.

Drugs like dextroamphetamine, methamphetamine, 2-FMA, 4-FMA, etc generally produce more powerful stimulant effects and are more prone to produce stimulant psychosis than most other stimulants. This is my view on the issue.
 
kokaino said:
But they aren't as potent psychostimulants (especially not ephedrine or phentermine). I know what MDMA is, but it is vastly different from methamphetamine. Just because it has the word "methamphetamine" in it doesn't mean that it is very similar to it. First of all, methamphetamine produces severe psychological and even physical dependence. MDMA does not produce any serious measure of psychological dependence and some studies have even put it below cannabis and it doesn't produce physical dependence.

Selegiline is a methamphetamine derivative, but that don't mean junk.

Drugs like dextroamphetamine, methamphetamine, 2-FMA, 4-FMA, etc generally produce more powerful stimulant effects and are more prone to produce stimulant psychosis than most other stimulants. This is my view on the issue.
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I know what you meant, but being high on 2-FMA makes me loveeeeeee to nitpick:P Selegiline isn't just a meth derivative, it's partially metabolized in to l-methamphetamine partially.
 
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Sleep deprivation psychosis and stimulant psychosis walk hand in hand. If you are going through the former, it is likely for the same reasons that caused the latter.

It's irrelevant though, the treatment is the same - getting some fucking sleep.
 
nAON said:
Sleep deprivation psychosis and stimulant psychosis walk hand in hand. If you are going through the former, it is likely for the same reasons that caused the latter.

It's irrelevant though, the treatment is the same - getting some fucking sleep.
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That's what's I was tying to say hahaha. You placed it bluntly and spoke the truth. :)
 
i believe that sleep deprivation is 80% of the reason that leads to stimulant/amphetamine related psychosis. sleep deprivation is caused by the stimulant, also malnutrition dehydration also play a factor
 
I don't agree that sleep deprivation is the sole or primary cause of stimulant psychosis. I have experienced and witnessed others experience stimulant psychosis without any sleep deprivation. On the other hand I have been sleep deprived while not on any drugs, and did not get any such symptoms. Like kokaino I just felt really fatigued, irritable, and had a headache etc. Of course doing meth for days with no sleep is going to worsen it or make it more likely, and sleep is going to help it, but I don't think you can say sleep dep psychosis and stimulant psychosis are the same thing. I believe most people would have to go without sleep a hell of a lot longer to start experiencing such symptoms when drugs weren't involved.

I also don't know about methamphetamine or amphetamines in general causing way more psychosis than cocaine. Different drugs just seem to affect different people differently, and it depends how much you are doing, the ROA, and how long you are doing them for. I have seen people go totally crazy from doing cocaine.
 
of course on amphetamines we tend to get more paranoid than normal, even on cocaine, peeking thru window curtains, crawling on carpet for pieces of rock that u know isnt even there but keep looking, but i never seen anyong delusional to the point of amphetamine pychosis where they are having auditory hallucinations, mild visual disturbances, very distorted perception of reality in general and NOT being sleep deprived. me personally, i've been there...i hadit the worst without sleep, hallucinations, perception of life is very ugly and horrid to even explain
 
^I have. I've witnessed people seeing things that weren't there, being totally delusional, hearing things, etc, with no sleep deprivation at all or only very mild sleep dep. It really seems to depend on the person of course. But I've never witnessed anyone behave or report anything near that level from sleep dep that was not in conjunction with drugs.
 
Swimmingdancer said:
^I have. I've witnessed people seeing things that weren't there, being totally delusional, hearing things, etc, with no sleep deprivation at all or only very mild sleep dep. It really seems to depend on the person of course. But I've never witnessed anyone behave or report anything near that level from sleep dep that was not in conjunction with drugs.
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I read about a study where they kept one guy awake for 6 days without any drug use to help, by day 6 he showed "derealization and depersonalization and complete loss of touch from reality".
 
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