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friend tried heroin, all i see is a disaster about to happen

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so i've been using heroin for over a year, iv, smoked, sniffed, up the bum, whatever. i'm currently 2 weeks off any opiate and a month or so off any brown, not really through planning, just through getting more responsibility at work and having to study and having no time or money to be fuct.

not through me he's had a 0.1g ish, and now thinks that he can successfully chip. this dude has had issues with pretty much every drug he's tried, weed, speed, coke, mdma, benzo's, all gone overboard, and for some reason thinks that because he has some great plan (use once a month, and i think he wants me to ration it for him) he won't end up hopelessly addicted or dead. i've never had any issues with any drug besides heroin, and it's still got me.

whatever i say to him seems to be used as justification for use. he asked why i first used, and it was because my gf at the time was using, i don't really have boundaries on what i do, and just did it. i was under no illusion i'd be able to control it, i knew full well that continuing use, switching to iv, was just digging a deeper hole into addiction, but i just didn't care. so he thinks because he has a great plan with "consequences" if he breaks the rules, he will avoid becoming a fucked up junkie. he sounds like every single sucker who has ever taken this thinking they can control it, i just don't know what to say. i don't want to supply him, if i did it would be once every 6 months or something, i'm not going to have that shit hanging over my head. i'm kind of done with talking about it as talking about it makes me fiend. i guess riding the train better than others after a year and IVing which may make him think he'll be ok, but it still uses up all my money, and i've OD'd twice, injected nasty shit, and i wish i never tried it, can't miss what you don't know, stick to ganj! so i guess i'm a hypocrite cuz i'm not really stopping although i am not IVing now and might just stick to lesser opiates.

my prediction is he'll be fucked within a year and dead in five if he continues. i guess i don't know what i'm looking for here, any advice? i guess i just have to sit back and watch the "ah this is so good, and i can stop any time i want!" slowly turn into pain, misery, and diarrhea

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I'm the same as your friend, thought I'd be different even though having abused all drugs before getting to H. It's kind of tragic, you always think you're one of the mythical chippers and you won't develop a habit, no siree. Regretfully, I didn't heed any warnings and jumped straight in.

Maybe you could introduce your friend to BL? There's much wisdom here, and we were all weekend warriors once.
 
Great idea to get your friend onto Bluelight.
He will be able to read for himself how many folk started on heroin as a once a week treat such as I did and here I am over 11 years still using on a daily basis.
A lot of real life knowledge to be read on Bluelight so hopefully it could help him out.
 
Man from the looks of it h isn't even worth trying. Never been addicted to anything(except hotpckets lol) but I wanted to at least get the "orgasmic" feeling at least once but Nvm now.
 
maybe watch train spotting with him or requiem for a dream or candy. All moving show you what heroin gets you I think there all close to the truth about how fast things swing.
 
Well, as others have said... try to get him to come to this site and let him know that if he has any questions or wants any advice this is the place to be. As far as his being prone to addiction in the past, make sure he knows that heroin is an entirely different monster. It sounds like he is going through that "experimental" phase that many of us go through where we just try any and everything and worry about the consequences later. Ultimately it will be his decision whether or not to go down that road, but you can be a real friend by telling him you don't feel comfortable selling to him. If he has other connections then all you can do is try to keep an eye on him, but if he is someone you've done other drugs recreationally with, then he might stop and think twice when you draw the line at selling him heroin.

Tough situation, and one that I've faced with friends and most memorably my ex-fiance. She had the same sort of attitude as your friend and was experienced with most every drug but heroin. I was on Methadone at the time after years of heroin and she wanted me to introduce her to my former dealer. When I said no, she went behind my back and got it anyways. After that it was the same story I'd seen a hundred times. Started off slow, progressively became more dependent, lost her job, quit leaving the house, got hep c from sharing needles. She had to lose everything in her life before she stopped. We stopped talking after she went behind my back and I only heard updates from her friends, always worse than before.

I think back and ask myself what I could have said or done differently that may have made a difference and a few things come to mind. I'd have made sure someone else in her life (a friend, etc) knew what was happening in the beginning. This would have given her a better chance of possibly listening to one of us before it got too bad. That time period your friend is in now where he has just opened the gate is the best time to talk sense into him. He might call you a hypocrite or push you away. If so, its ok to be persistent and have another person in the loop to try when you want to just say "fuck it." When things got to where my ex-fiance couldn't stop, something I could have done was initiate contact and inform her about getting help whether she wanted to hear it or not. Suboxone, Methadone... these things could have helped if she had the information.

My point in telling you my experience is not to just say "Hey I've been there," but to hopefully give you an idea or two to help your friend. All you can do is try, and either he listens or he doesn't. It sucks, but the majority of addicts in the beginning have that "It won't happen to me," frame of mind. Even when it does start happening to us, we make excuses and bargain. Never believing we are "one of those" people until it's too late.

Best of luck to you and your friend. Keep us updated if you have the time. Oh, and sorry for making this post a mini-novel!
 
He's lucky to have a friend who cares so much for his well being.
I guess i don't need to tell you that you should try introducing him to the dark side, so he can get a better understanding of how destructive heroin is before he takes further leaps down that track.
I just returned from Europe, and my house mate / personal mate told me that two of our good friends have been dabbling into heroin over the past few weeks.
They too seem to believe they have a 'master plan' which will prevent them from turning into addicts. Hmm.
 
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maybe watch train spotting with him or requiem for a dream or candy. All moving show you what heroin gets you I think there all close to the truth about how fast things swing.
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In my opinion, Candy is the only one of these three that actually hits the nail on the head. I'd choose that one.

You're in a difficult spot here, because you're very early in your clean time and you don't want your effort to help this friend to unexpectedly pull you right back in. Heroin use is going to make your friend selfish, and once he really starts to feel that pull he's not going to care at all about you wanting to stay clean. In fact, he'll be secretly happy if you ever decide to get back into it for a bit. It's just the nature of it all. So I'm going to tell you to take care of yourself first and keep your defenses up, because we really don't want to end up losing two people to heroin at the end of this.

Going with this, I'll echo what people are writing about suggesting BL on him. Don't do it specifically about heroin, though. Just introduce him to it in general, as a place to find more like-minded people. The elevated maturity of the average BLer over the average street user might be enough to help him make better decisions for his future without having to learn the hard lessons for himself.

If that doesn't work, then I guess all you can do is hope that he is able to chip for a while at a reasonable pace (Not impossible. I was able to chip for over a year before it pulled me in.) and that enough changes will go on in his life during the chipping stage that he'll move away from it before it turns that dark corner. If you have to, challenge him to keep chipping according to a routine. Again, him not doing it at all would be ideal, but if he is going to do it, keeping him away from the physical addiction is better than nothing.
 
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