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@Yoblack: If you think meth isn't addictive you either had bad drugs or weren't doing it right :P I think it takes a lot of self discipline to resist even for a new user and not thinking about it seems impossible to me.

also, you're on this forum, so you must be thinking about it!
 
Thought you sounded familier yoblack! ;)

decided to never puff again, its not worth it
and ive seen what its done to my friends and people around me

1 hit wonder never again,
hope the devil doesnt get me!

You sound young.

It's not like many people turn into hardcore meth heads after a few experiences. It's something that creeps up on you, I've noticed lots of people go from every once in a while, to every second weekend, to every weekend no matter what...all the while they have no idea that an addiction is forming, they just get into the habit of using it regularly - there's nothing particularly dark and sinister at the time, it seems all good. (not saying everyone is like this, just a common thread)

Then there's people who will never get addicted to it.

Do you know for sure you'll always have self control? You managed to keep all your drug use under control while keeping up study/work/social/family? Even if you have, I'd hold off on meth until you're a bit older if possible.
 
You sound young.

I'd hold off on meth until you're a bit older if possible.

Great advise.

By not doing anything hard like MDMA or meth until I was in my early 30's helped me see the importance of maintaining a job, paying all the bills, travel, then party hard if cash allows.

If I started the ride as a teenager which I recall Yoblack said they are.. I think my life could look very different now.

Even now it's no oil painting.
 
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well that cant be the case with me because my pupils dont dilate till long afrer I've had the shot 8(

Yeah im just saying usually when it has fully kicked in, I get that on high doses of MDMA, my pupils get so huge, my eye lids widen so much and when I try to read my fone its all a blurry mess and seeing double or tripple because my eyes cannot focus properly and thats 100% because of the pupil dilation. Im sure most would agree and have experienced this shitty side effect. I had to get someone to read the train times because I couldnt see it LOL ahhh fun times.
 
Yeah im just saying usually when it has fully kicked in, I get that on high doses of MDMA, my pupils get so huge, my eye lids widen so much and when I try to read my fone its all a blurry mess and seeing double or tripple because my eyes cannot focus properly and thats 100% because of the pupil dilation. Im sure most would agree and have experienced this shitty side effect. I had to get someone to read the train times because I couldnt see it LOL ahhh fun times.

i tend to enjoy this.i find it funny how hard it is to do something simple like send a text message that makes sense or something like that.........
 
question: do you more experienced smokers think that putting half a point + into a pipe and holding a lighter under the bowl without twirling until the smoke is pouring out and the liquid is either bubbling or damn close to it a damn shame and a waste of good meth? if so how much of a difference do you think it could make? we're talking ripping through about half a point in say 6-8 massive puffs.

i was around at a friends place last weekend and they were having a puff and this is what i observed. i have some experience with meth and speed and when i smoke i am borderline ocd with how carefully i smoke. i dont put too much in the pipe, am careful with application of heat and make sure i spread the meth around evenly throughout each bowl. these friends of mine.. theyre good guys, theyre what i would call good kiwi blokes, genuine, happy-go-lucky, funny, hard drinking, naive and definitely not the type to take criticism well, they dont mind if you take the piss but if you tell them how to say.. weld something or in this instance smoke a pipe they will very quickly chuck up walls. honestly im not as bitter as i sound but this continued waste of a really expensive drug slightly annoys me seeing as how it could be so easily remedied.

opinions? can i continue being a smug self-righteous bastard?
 
Thought you sounded familier yoblack! ;)



You sound young.

It's not like many people turn into hardcore meth heads after a few experiences. It's something that creeps up on you, I've noticed lots of people go from every once in a while, to every second weekend, to every weekend no matter what...all the while they have no idea that an addiction is forming, they just get into the habit of using it regularly - there's nothing particularly dark and sinister at the time, it seems all good. (not saying everyone is like this, just a common thread)

Then there's people who will never get addicted to it.

Do you know for sure you'll always have self control? You managed to keep all your drug use under control while keeping up study/work/social/family? Even if you have, I'd hold off on meth until you're a bit older if possible.

So very very true. I tried my first drug last year (IVd ice (meth)) and, to be honest, thought the idea that one could be addicted after the first time was a bit silly; an exaggeration to scare people off. I was older, wiser than your average debutant and scared shitless of being addicted so had all the rules in the world.

The week after my first time I understood absolutely how you could be addicted after the first time. No question, terrified me. That lasted about three weeks until I decided to go again. After all, I had proved I could say no...And I had decided on all of these rules ranging from amount, frequency right through to where and when I might do it. My mate who introduced me to it (at my insistence) warned me of potential issues and warned me it would get a hold of me.

And he regularly reminded me as I relaxed one rule after another. Eventually, I used every week, having long since lost control. I was addicted, I knew I was addicted but I was enjoying it.

There were still some rules I didn't break; my job paid for the meth so anything that placed that at risk was a no no. Still, I made mistakes and learned from them; to my credit, I suppose.

Now I have seen every negative side effect my mate warned me of, and that I saw in him (other than the paranoia). I have reasserted some control while still using but there are times when, if I can't distract myself, I cannot stop myself. What scares me is the how I place drugs almost on a par with some of my closest friends, my nephew, etc. Let alone the financial machinations to keep using at such a high level.

Now I have cut right back and enjoying it more.

Long story short: Don't start yet. In fact, I'd say don't start until you have a really strong grip of who you are. I have seen two much younger mates make the right decision and back away; in part because I refused to help them use. They made the wiser decision and have benefited from it. I can tell how it affects me mentally but I have had the benefit of a "drug mentor" who I trust to warn me of the pitfalls.

Trust me: I was 44 when I started, great career, strong mind, exceptional willpower, IQ in top 3%, close friendships and relationships, etc etc.

Counted for jackshit when it grabbed me by the balls. And my ability to pull back for a while was aided because I could see the affect on my mate and his girlfriend. Ensuring I did them no harm helped make me back off for a while.

If you'd asked me in April last year (when I first tried it) if you (I) could control it, I would have (indeed, did) said "Of course, because addiction terrifies me. At New Year, I would have said "Lost some control but still can pull up when I need to. I am on my guard."

By late January / early February, as I watched my addict mate and his newly addicted GF fight while coming down, "Fuck, they can't stop, neither can I. But I don't have the negatives they do, so I will use away from them."

Then a few weeks later, using alone, I experienced my first dopey period (having seen it in my mate, like when he asked me if I was his dad..or his GF's dad, or if she was his dad). I was annoyed my computer mouse wouldn't move...until I looked at my hand and realised I wasn't pushing it. Miraculously, when I pushed it, it moved! The same process happened several times that day. I had used too much (and kept using BTW even while telling myself this won't help at all).

So...after all that...I believe you cannot be a regular user of meth and not have it control you. First, in subtle ways, like how you schedule your weekend around your use, then how you PRIORITISE your weekend to get your drug use in. It aboslutely sneaks up on you; the theory is right...By the time you think it is time to stop, that time has long passed.

Fortunately, I have only really been desperate for some ice once (as in, I would have asked my mother to stick the needle into me) because I has been unable to register a vein...Mostly, I have found ways to distract myself and if I am feeling down, it is a struggle. But, recently, I have been reasserting some control. But it still has me in its grip.
 
Whoa... Plugging a point if you're used to smoking may be a bit of a shock... While smoking has an ok BA.. Plugging has a great BA and its going to hit hard and fast!

I'd suggest trying half a point and go from there.. There's no point in being uncomfortably high and going through your stash quicker than you have to


I've tried plugging a few times (to preserve my veins) with mixed results. Several times it has almost been as much of a rush as IVing. Very different, not as exciting but I'd say "more pleasant". There have been other times when I've wondered if I must have spilt it on the way in. Amazing how different the drug is the 3 ROAs I have tried (I don't count swallowing), bordering on a different drug.

By contrast, I've tried Cocaine two different ways and didn't find them that different (although the intensity differed). The big variant for me was, having snorted cocaine, I then followed it up very quickly with IVing Ice. Sensational effect, absurdly dangerous and I never buy them together again to avoid that temptation. Mind you, IVing cocaine was intense but ultimately unsatisfying. I could tell why many say it is too intense to inject; the cardio-vascular reactions are very severe.

I am not so sure plugging a point is so bad if you smoke more; smokers do tend to do more in single sessions and the steadiness of the rush (it can take several minutes; the "up to 15" I read here was not my experience). The issue I found with plugging was the desire to re-dose in the few minutes it is building up.
 
I believe you cannot be a regular user of meth and not have it control you.

Correction: I do have one mate who, not only uses ice (meth) regularly (irregularly), but keeps the dose steady (and I'd say pathetically weak) and just enjoys it as a change.

But he's a smack addict and just has fun with it. So he can use meth regularly and it not addicted to it..because his addiction (his true love) is for heroin.
 
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question: do you more experienced smokers think that putting half a point + into a pipe and holding a lighter under the bowl without twirling until the smoke is pouring out and the liquid is either bubbling or damn close to it a damn shame and a waste of good meth? if so how much of a difference do you think it could make? we're talking ripping through about half a point in say 6-8 massive puffs.

i was around at a friends place last weekend and they were having a puff and this is what i observed. i have some experience with meth and speed and when i smoke i am borderline ocd with how carefully i smoke. i dont put too much in the pipe, am careful with application of heat and make sure i spread the meth around evenly throughout each bowl. these friends of mine.. theyre good guys, theyre what i would call good kiwi blokes, genuine, happy-go-lucky, funny, hard drinking, naive and definitely not the type to take criticism well, they dont mind if you take the piss but if you tell them how to say.. weld something or in this instance smoke a pipe they will very quickly chuck up walls. honestly im not as bitter as i sound but this continued waste of a really expensive drug slightly annoys me seeing as how it could be so easily remedied.

opinions? can i continue being a smug self-righteous bastard?

I think that that's wasting it. Whenever you have a room full of ice heads though everyone's eye is always on the crackie offering 'critiques' on the smoking technique! I'm guilty of it but if it's their own shit, I think it's best just to say fuck it, let them toast their shit if that's what makes them happy. If it's yours though and you're shouting them a puff, that's a different story! Especially if they toast your crackie in the process :p

Some people love to put a big fuck off amount in the pipe and blow out big clouds of smoke, but's it's wasteful IMO. I've always been one to put in small shards, like a rice grain size, and roll it around pretty constantly. If it bubbles you've got it too hot. I also see a lot of people hold the lighter under for far too long so they run out of breath before its stopped vaping. If you've got good shit, once it's heated you can remove the flame and it'll continue to smoke as you roll it around and new bits of it are exposed to the air. IMO the perfect puff is if it stops smoking just as your breath runs out, and you can hold it in until you don't breathe out much vapour at all.

All this talk has got me cravey, and I haven't had a puff in 1 and a half years!
 
THANKS HEADDAH!! Always so thoughtful :)

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just a question.... i don't do 'ice' that often been since summer! yay for me. before that i was getting into it pretty hard. any ways.... so i have a few new friends i see every now and then and they are getting into shooting it. i'm up for trying it. So heres my question... if i don't feel like i want to shoot it yet ill probs plug it... now with plugging do u put it into a cap and shove it up there? or just get a little rock on your finger and shove it up there? whats a good starting does im thinking .03 and go from there.. cheers guys. noob question but never plugged or iv'd it before thanks!
 
or just dissolve it in water put it into an oral syringe, lube up, and away i go? don't what to go waisting expensive product. thanks guys :)
 
hey iv been reading this forum for years but only just registered today to vent my fuckking anger to people who will understand - hopefully !

im orignally from sydney but residing in melbourne atm. i was so shocked when i went to buy a glass pipe tonight from my normal shop when the shop attendant who i know from seeing him regularly told me that the federal police are now stopping all importation of sweet puff pipes at the ports ??!!?!?!?! i have used meth amphetamine for about 5 years.. 2 of those years i used intraveniously - i dont understand what the fucking goveernment is trying to achieve by banning pipes but i think the majority of people who cant get a pipe arent going to stop using ice.... they would just go down th street and get fits yeah ???
 
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