Nutmeg(preground) 60g - fairly experienced - energetic and dreamy

[MyWayIsTheHighWay]

I seem to be rare in the I enjoy the effects of nutmeg. I've tried both whole nutmeg and preground nutmeg and have enjoyed both. I usually just get the preground stuff because I am lazy. I find the preground nutmeg to be less potent so I usually take double the dose I would with whole nutmeg. I usually just take a whole bottle, which is roughly 60 grams. I find it is not hard to ingest if I mix it in a blender with milk and vanilla ice cream.

My typical "trip" usually last a day and a half from the time I finish my nutmeg milk shake and consists of 3 distinct stages. The first stage is a pot like haze. The second stage is sleep, which is always filled with vivid dreams that are easily recalled - I dont consider sleeping while high on nutmeg a waste, I rather enjoy this part of the nutmeg high. The third stage is a weird combination of energy, motivation and a foggy haze(I know these seem contradictory, but for me it does occur.) Its like I have mixed a moderate amount of amphetamine with some benzos. I have energy and motivation to be productive, but time seems to fly by and I'm calm.

I usually start to feel the initial effects around 6 or 7 hours after I ingested the nutmeg. I will feel like I am in a haze like I have smoked some mid-grade bud. Pressure starts to build around my eyes as they become more and more bloodshot and glassy. I will begin to feel lethargic and just space out. The body load and daze will steadily increase over the next 3-4 hours. After a while I usually get bored of the feeling and go to sleep. I never get so tired that I have to fight sleep, but I find it easy to go to sleep when I chose to.

I will then sleep for 10-12 hours and have weird vivid dreams that are easily recalled. The dreams always seem to be pleasant. I have never had any nightmares while high on nutmeg. I will usually wake up around the 8 hour mark, but have no trouble rolling over and continuing to dream for another 2-4 hours. When I do decide to get out of bed I usually get a burst of euphoria and excitement after I walk around a bit, have a cig, brush my teeth.

The third stage lasts for about 12-16 hours. I'm usually motivated and active during this time. My first few experiences I had the day off and would spend it outdoors hiking, bike riding, going to the beach or whatever else I decided to do that day. I have recently used nutmeg for this motivation and will take it the day before work so that I can pass the time quickly and in a good mood. If I dont have to work I will usually save my chores for this time and pay bills, clean my house, do laundry etc. I seem to get a lot done during this stage and by that night the morning seemed like it had been days ago. When the energy and motivation wear off I tend to have a short hangover that consists of lethargy. This generally feels like I'm starting to get a cold. I will have mild chills and moderate muscle aches. At this point I will go to bed and have another night of dreams, but these are harder to recall and seem less pleasant, but not unpleasant. The next morning I will awake somewhat groggy, but this usually goes away in 30 minutes or so and I am back to normal.

I usually wont take nutmeg for years then get an urge and do it three or four times. I start to feel a little worn out after that and wont take nutmeg again for years, I always seem to come back to nutmeg though and hope I always find it to be as enjoyable as I do now.

 

[ForEverAfter]

I have tried this once before, and didn't think it was worth revisiting. As far as deliriants/dream-enhancers go, it is the bottom of the barrel IMO. The side effects are noticeably unpleasant. Headaches, hangover, abdominal pain, muscle aches, etc.

I'm curious, have you experimented with: Amanita Muscaria, datura/ brugmansia/ mandrake/ henbane, opiates, galantamine, calea zacatechichi, valerian root, and/or kava kava? If not, you should check them out. They will provide you with similar (and in some cases, much greater) unconscious visions/ enhanced dreams than nutmeg - without the unpleasant side effects.

I assume that you have little to no experience with the above substances. Because, if you did, you wouldn't be taking nutmeg on a regular basis. Deliriant users are rare, because of the side effects. Nutmeg users, as a subset of deliriant users, are even rarer. The side effects of nutmeg vastly outweigh the benefits. And, there are superior alternatives.

 

[webbykevin]

I found that getting a small datura plant in a pot and placing it next to your bed, or planting a large datura bush outside your bedroom window will give you some really whacky dreams without all the unpleasant side effects of nutmeg.

 

[Llerup]

I wish I would have had as pleasant as an experience as OP did.

Panic attacks, pains, anxiety, and awful nightmares.

Didn't enjoy too much. To each his own I guess though.

 

[jackie jones]

I found that getting a small datura plant in a pot and placing it next to your bed, or planting a large datura bush outside your bedroom window will give you some really whacky dreams without all the unpleasant side effects of nutmeg.

I think he's about to break out the crystals...

tehehe

 

[RattleSnake]

Everything in this thread is wrong, I had terrible hangover the second day of nutmeg, even the experience itself was not like a drug, more like being poisoned, also

I'm curious, have you experimented with: Amanita Muscaria, datura/ brugmansia/ mandrake/ henbane, opiates, galantamine, calea zacatechichi, valerian root, and/or kava kava? If not, you should check them out. They will provide you with similar (and in some cases, much greater) unconscious visions/ enhanced dreams than nutmeg - without the unpleasant side effects.

what the actual fuck? Datura is just a big NO as a drug, side effects of datura outrank those of nutmeg, burgmansia, datura and mandrake have the same active alkaloids so for those I can just say NO, they are not drugs, they are like having Alzheimer's and schizophrenia at the same time, every deliriant is just awful, also opiate induced delirium is not something you would want to achieve, as it is intentionally overdosing yourself, you could easily fuck up the dosage, and I would like to add that LD/ED ratio of nutmeg is less than that of heroine so it's easier to OD on nutmeg than H, I've also looked for alternative drugs, and let me tell you, there is a reason why no one does them, that reason is: THEY FUCKING SUCK, please don't tell people to do deliriants, that is not harm reduction, that is like saying: "hey here is a list of poisons you can ingest that will make you a danger to yourself and others without any pleasant effect" why would you do a drug that doesn't make you feel good and damages your body more than those that do make you feel good? although amanita is a good deliriant, datura, burgmansia, mandrake and nutmeg are by far the worst "drugs" known to man... nutmeg being the least unpleasant of those four, as for henbane, opiates, galantamine, calea zacatechichi, valerian root, and kava kava, I have no experience with those nor do I have any knowledge of the active alkaloids in them so I can't really say, BUT MAN you are a mod, shouldn't you be telling people NOT to do datura? I thought this was a harm reduction forum...

 

[ForEverAfter]

Datura is quite lovely.

All the negative reports I've read are from irresponsible users. It must be approached with caution and respect, yet most people tend to just eat a handful of seeds and impatiently await the "tripping balls" state, often eating more seeds - because they think "hey this isn't working!" Fools, I say. Eager, irresponsible fools.

Nutmeg is very bad for your liver. Active doses approach poisonous doses. In my opinion opiates are a - generally - safer alternative. There is nothing wrong with a good nod.

And Amanita Muscaria is indescribably beautiful.

 

[jackie jones]

Nutmeg (scopolamine, I believe) is also neurotoxic...

Why would one decide to ingest such a chemical when there are scores of reports stating it's negative effects?

There are so many better and viable options.

 

[ForEverAfter]

The active ingredients in nutmeg and mace are reported to be myristicin and elemicin

Scopolamine is (one of) the active ingredients in datura, not nutmeg. And most drugs are potentially neurotoxic including MDMA and the majority of amphetamines.

 

[ForEverAfter]

http://dancesafe.org/drug-information/ecstasy-and-neurotoxicity#1

Monkey Brains!

 

[jackie jones]

I would not say that most drugs are. Traditional opiates and psychedelics are not.

 

[ForEverAfter]

Psychedelics are not?!? You sure about that, Jackie? ... Unless you meant "traditional psychedelics"... In which case, far enough. But most of the trip reports on here are not about traditional psychededlics. The majority of psychedelics are, probably, neurotoxic. There's an enormous amount of people posting about using 2C-B and DO-I and (every other permutation of the alphabet) yet there aren't too many responses - especially from mods - warning about the potential neurotoxicity. I don't see how scopolamine is any different.

As I said, all of the bad accounts I've read regarding datura have been written by people who have not done the proper research and have (for some God unknown reason) dived into the deep end. Datura cannot be defined by the actions of idiots. It is, in itself, an enjoyable drug - when taken at reasonable doses. I'm not sure why the drug world has a tendency to consume five-six times the recommended dose of scopolamine, the first time, while at the same time consuming a standard dose of (say) LSD. It should be the other way round.

Datura has been used for millenia. It is an ancient drug. Like all the ancients, it requires a certain mindset. I don't recommend datura to everyone. I recommended it to the OP, because he/she seems to have that mindset - considering the fact that he/she is prone to consuming nutmeg. It should go without saying that every substance must be approached with caution. It seriously baffles me as to why people eat 100-200 seeds of datura (check out the Erowid trip reports) and then complain about how much of a bad time they have.

Fools, I say.

 

[jackie jones]

Well, that is what I said...

 

[ForEverAfter]

In that case: the exception of traditional opiates and traditional psychedelics doesn't compromise the statement that most (recreationally used) drugs are potentially neurotoxic.

 

[jackie jones]

The majority of recreational drugs that are consumed are not research chemicals/ethnobotanicals (currently). If you talk to the average drug user, they usually have no idea what they are. Average drug users are not drug geeks as many of us bluelighters are.

 

[ForEverAfter]

Good point. I often forget that there are people out there who don't know what DMT is. I'm not being sarcastic. I live in a very small world. Though, outside of that world, I'd say the majority of drugs consumed are not traditional opiates and traditional psychedelics. The most common psychedelic consumed is "MDMA", in the form of ecstasy - which, often unbeknownst to the consumer, rarely actually contains MDMA and often contains a wide variety of "drug geek" neurotoxic drugs. Alcohol is also neurotoxic. And alcohol is clearly the most consumed drug on the planet. Or, at least, in Western society. Most non hardcore drug users don't take a lot of LSD or a lot of mushrooms. They are more likely to take what they think is MDMA or a bit of speed. Party drugs, whether they be research chemicals or not, are much more popular than hippy drugs - at this point in time.. My point is that certain drugs are labelled "bad" or "neurotoxic" while other drugs are treated as (relatively!) safe. We're splitting hairs, Jackie. I'm being argumentative. I apologize. It's just that...

they are not drugs, they are like having Alzheimer's and schizophrenia at the same time, every deliriant is just awful

THEY FUCKING SUCK, please don't tell people to do deliriants

...I find statements like these to be intolerably ignorant. They make my skin crawl. Deliriants are my favorite class of drugs, and they have provided me with a strength and inner calm that I could have otherwise never imagined. It comes down to that old adage: "Guns don't kill people." Used resonsponsibly, firearms are perfectly harmless. They have the potential to destroy lives, sure. Same goes for Datura. If you aren't willing to approach the substance with a certain amount of maturity and restraint, then don't. It's as simple as that. All these irresonponsibly people guzzling down Stramonium seeds like Coca-Cola and ending up walking naked down the street with barbed wire sticking out of their asshole, they are to blame. All of the Ancient drugs will put you on your ass if you mistreat them. The reason there are "scores of reports stating (their) negative effects" is because - sadly - the modern drug user has little respect for ancient drugs. It cannot be concluded that a drug is bad, simply because the world is full of idiots.

Currently, I'm coming up on 25 grams of dried Amanita Muscaria; and, I just received a fresh new bag of Datura Stramonium seeds: I am yet to have a negative experience with either drug.

 

[jackie jones]

I do not mind a friendly argument, FEA. No worries.

I do not care what drugs anyone decides to use, as long as they make attempts to educate themselves about them and can handle their highs.

 

[RattleSnake]

I get what you were trying to say and I'm not an idiot, first time I did datura it didn't give me what I expected, so the second time I upped the dose and... well I wrote a trip report http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/635943-Don-t-do-datura , I agree it should be approached with respect but it's just not for most people, I'm not being ignorant, I'm just trying to prevent him from having a very bad time...

 

[ForEverAfter]

I don't mean to be a cunt, but your dosing was irresponsible. If you did your research and noted the extraordinary amount of negative trip reports pertaining to this drug, then you would have been really careful with dosing. I assume you didn't do your research. If you did, there is no excuse. You jumped from "a flower" to "half a seedpod". Did the seedpod contain seeds? If so, how many? How much did it weigh? You should have started with a small chunk of a seedpod or a couple of seeds, and slowly worked your way up. Or gone from one flower to one and a half flowers. You can't guage a seedpod against a flower!

I don't mean to offend you, but your trip report is just another in a series of irresposinle reports pertaining to datura. You were impatient. You did not approach it with the proper respect - as you, yourself, have admitted. So why conclude that the drug "FUCKING SUCKS" and that all drugs of it's class are worthless? You, with your limited experience and irresponsible approach, have no basis for these statements.

I am not anti-harm reduction. I appreciate the fact that you're trying to help the OP. I should have included a warning with my post. You're right. That doesn't give you the right to make erroneous statements about drugs that have existed and been used to good effect for thousands of years because you had a bad experience, due to your relatively irresponsible approach towards drug use.

Perhaps "it's not for most people". Then again, maybe you would have enjoyed it if you didn't overdose.

The vast majority of reports about Muscaria state that it has no recreational potential whatsoever and that is EVIL and SHIT. FUCK THIS DRUG! people say. FUCK IT! Why? Because it isn't MDMA? Because it doesn't make everything rosy and pink and wonderful? It irritates the fuck out of me. I don't mean to take it out on you, but you are part of the problem. Absolute harm reduction would require us to tell the world that all drugs are evil. Because, without drugs, people cannot hurt themselves via overdosing. There needs to be a balance in terms of harm reduction and ignorant propaganda.

I feel it is my responsibility to restore balance, as much as I can, to this wonderful and misunderstood class of drugs.

The muscimol coursing through my veins, it is beautiful.

 

[RattleSnake]

actually I did my research and my friend who did the whole pod said to take the whole pod, I took half of what he told me to and I took a smaller pod to begin with, I still had a bad trip, maybe deliriants just aren't my thing, I was as responsible as I could be, I actually counted and it was about 20 seeds, a regular dose for inoxia and I didn't overdose coz when you overdose you can't remember anything, I remember everything, I don't remember the details but I remember events, also I don't like MDMA, I prefer hallucinogens, and I thought deliriants are just like hallucinogens until the inoxia adventure... lets just stop right here and say we have different tastes in drugs, to each his own, right?