All Things Fitness/Gym/Aesthetics 2012: So Homoerotic!

[Furious George]

Ah well, I deleted my post because I don’t want to argue with you. I thought I’d got rid of it in time but you’ve spotted it and typed a response, so I’ll bite and reply.

I wasn't a tosser at first, I was just offering advice on the basic fundamentals of bodybuilding/workingout/sport.

You didn’t know and still don’t know how he’s training. You telling him he’s overtraining because he’s added ab work to each session is meaningless. You don’t know, what exercises, reps, resistance, or intensity he’s training at. You don’t know if he varies it from session to session. You don’t know if he’s just bodybuilding or trying to make different functional changes. He might only be sticking 50 crunches at the end of his workouts.

I just thought i'd point out some very very basic fundamentals. If you don't know that your muscles grow during recovery, and not during working out, then yes I do know more than you.

I know all about allowing sufficient recovery periods. I’ve been training for 19 years, and I have a degree in biology. I read the same forums you do and some that you don’t (the strength and conditioning forum at mma.tv has been very usefull for my goals). You’re not telling me anything new.

We aren't arguing over opinion here, we're arguing over fact.

What fact is that then? That weighted decline crunches are the best and only way to train abs? If you’d said that a weighted crunch is better than an un-weighted crunch, I’d agree with you. But I’ve been boxing or thai boxing since I was 14 and that’s not how we condition our abs in any gym I’ve ever been to.

Or is it that 4 days a week must be ‘Overtraining’? In pre fight training I do 400 reps a day 6 days a week. Sets of 50-100. Exercises like medicine ball twists, v-sits, hanging leg raises, push back leg raises, crossovers, medicine ball drops, cycling crunches, planks and impact drills. This is what generations of fighters have put themselves through to be properly conditioned. I bet my abdominal organs that this method is superior to weighted crunches for creating a fight ready midsection. And it makes me look great.

If you think only morons engage with me, then both of you are more than welcome to not engage me, lest you realise that the statement you just made makes you a moron...

I didn’t write that at all. You were calling him a moron because he was basically ignoring you. I think that not engaging with you is pretty smart. It has served me well up until today. I’m sure it will serve me well from this post onwards.

Both you and Rockstar are regurgitating what you’ve read on bodybuilding sites. Bodybuilding is not the sole purpose of training. I do Muay thai and go bouldering. I need a high level of aerobic and anaerobic fitness (so I run & do hill sprints), high power to weight ratio (so I do heavy clean & press, deadlift, weighted chins) and a highly conditioned midsection (so i do hundreds of reps 3-6 days a week). Doing 21’s on the EZ bar, cable crossovers, tricep kickbacks? that’s training for Jersey Shore types, it’s going to do fuck all for me.

Saying “your doing it wrong” when you don’t know what someone is doing or why their doing it is nonsense.

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

Pisspoor weak after slacking off the fitness, just tried to do some pullups and could only manage 4, used to be able to rip out 25+

wouldnt mind trying roids, would be sensible with them, could prob get back to my first pics in not much time

Save the roids for when you peak mate, they'd be wasted on you now. You don't take steroids cus you can only do 4 pull ups, you take steroids because you can do 50 pull ups with a 25kg weight wrapped round your stomach, and you can't progress any further naturally! They aren't really a quick fix unless you know what you're doing, so get well versed in normal exercise and get good at it, and then come back and think again. Otherwise I guarantee you'll wind up getting far less gains than you otherwise could, and worse still you'll probably get bitch tits, and lose all the muscle you gained on the rebound!

I'm not one of the 'steroids are for phaggots' posse either. I'll happily work out the right way for you to use them safely and effectively when the time is right, but you need to get some experience under your belt first, and change up your life style so that you can go the 8-12 weeks without a weekend long binge necessary to do it right

 

[rockstar 69]

If he's doing abs 4 times a week which he has said he is, along with cardio and weight resistance then he is over training. From what I saw Urbain lost the plot over very little and was pretty quick to start with the petty insults when all he'd really been given was a bit of constructive criticism mixed with a tad of sarcasm. Wasn't anything to cry about.

Both you and Rockstar are regurgitating what you’ve read on bodybuilding sites. Bodybuilding is not the sole purpose of training. I do Muay thai and go bouldering. I need a high level of aerobic and anaerobic fitness (so I run & do hill sprints), high power to weight ratio (so I do heavy clean & press, deadlift, weighted chins) and a highly conditioned midsection (so i do hundreds of reps 3-6 days a week). Doing 21’s on the EZ bar, cable crossovers, tricep kickbacks? that’s training for Jersey Shore types, it’s going to do fuck all for me.

Everyone has their own goals. Mine are purely aesthetic. I'm just trying to be the best version of myself and know as much about the best ways to do this as possible. We're not simply regurgitating what we've read on bodybuilding forums to be honest I'm finding your post a bit insulting. I'm just trying to get to the bottom of what's best for me, is that ok?

Which sells it for £25! You literally cannot go wrong... Also, it tastes so good it could just be a nice drink it it's own right.

(I sure do hope Musclepharm pay me for all this shilling )

I'm going to have to say you are a prick after all lol, that would have been just the ticket when I was ordering all my sups the other day. Have to get that next month looks ace.

 

[Furious George]

If he's doing abs 4 times a week which he has said he is, along with cardio and weight resistance then he is over training.

I respectfully disagree. Having done grueling ab workouts 6 days a week and not fallen apart, I'm confident that even if Urb is training hard each time (who knows if he is or not?) he'll be just fine.

everyone has their own goals. Mine are purely aesthetic. I'm just trying to be the best version of myself and know as much about the best ways to do this as possible. We're not simply regurgitating what we've read on bodybuilding forums to be honest I'm finding your post a bit insulting. I'm just trying to get to the bottom of what's best for me, is that ok?

I'm sorry if I offended you. Where else have you been looking for training methods? The routine you outlined is a pretty classic bodybuilders format. All I meant by my comment is that it's horses for courses. Your training is no use to me, my training is likewise unsuited to someone interested only in maximising aesthetic results.

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

Ah well, I deleted my post because I don’t want to argue with you. I thought I’d got rid of it in time but you’ve spotted it and typed a response, so I’ll bite and reply.



You didn’t know and still don’t know how he’s training. You telling him he’s overtraining because he’s added ab work to each session is meaningless. You don’t know, what exercises, reps, resistance, or intensity he’s training at. You don’t know if he varies it from session to session. You don’t know if he’s just bodybuilding or trying to make different functional changes. He might only be sticking 50 crunches at the end of his workouts.



I know all about allowing sufficient recovery periods. I’ve been training for 19 years, and I have a degree in biology. I read the same forums you do and some that you don’t (the strength and conditioning forum at mma.tv has been very usefull for my goals). You’re not telling me anything new.



What fact is that then? That weighted decline crunches are the best and only way to train abs? If you’d said that a weighted crunch is better than an un-weighted crunch, I’d agree with you. But I’ve been boxing or thai boxing since I was 14 and that’s not how we condition our abs in any gym I’ve ever been to.

Or is it that 4 days a week must be ‘Overtraining’? In pre fight training I do 400 reps a day 6 days a week. Sets of 50-100. Exercises like medicine ball twists, v-sits, hanging leg raises, push back leg raises, crossovers, medicine ball drops, cycling crunches, planks and impact drills. This is what generations of fighters have put themselves through to be properly conditioned. I bet my abdominal organs that this method is superior to weighted crunches for creating a fight ready midsection. And it makes me look great.





I didn’t write that at all. You were calling him a moron because he was basically ignoring you. I think that not engaging with you is pretty smart. It has served me well up until today. I’m sure it will serve me well from this post onwards.

Both you and Rockstar are regurgitating what you’ve read on bodybuilding sites. Bodybuilding is not the sole purpose of training. I do Muay thai and go bouldering. I need a high level of aerobic and anaerobic fitness (so I run & do hill sprints), high power to weight ratio (so I do heavy clean & press, deadlift, weighted chins) and a highly conditioned midsection (so i do hundreds of reps 3-6 days a week). Doing 21’s on the EZ bar, cable crossovers, tricep kickbacks? that’s training for Jersey Shore types, it’s going to do fuck all for me.

Saying “your doing it wrong” when you don’t know what someone is doing or why their doing it is nonsense.

Blah blah blah, what a load of horseshit. I'm glad you haven't interacted properly with me before today because you don't know diddley squat. How about instead of doing clean and press's, dead lifts, and weighted chins, you start doing those exercises in the 100s of rep counts? And when that doesn't make your muscles bigger or stronger, instead of upping the weight on them, why don't you start doing them every day? Now you'll be following the Urbain way of training to a tee. You wouldn't because that would be fucking retarded. It's like saying you can get bigger stronger legs from running than you can from doing squats...

He already said, just a few posts ago, that he trains and lifts 4 days a week. He said he does his abs on all of these days. He has mentioned no sport, just that he wants to improve his health and well being - and he wants better abs. He has said that his abs kill after each of these workouts, and I somehow doubt you'd be feeling the burn after doing 50 crunches per day, don't you? Will you please just go back through the thread and read what his aims are, and what he's doing and why he's doing it, because you are just attacking me based on an assumption that I don't know things about him that he has directly told me!

I'm not even saying crunches don't have their place in working out, because they do. Both weighted and unweighted. But you wouldn't train any other part of your body by doing the same repetitive exercise hundreds of times, so why are the abs any different? You need endurance, sure. But you also need strength, and hypertrophy. You are missing key principles.

And while you're at it read back through the thread and look at my training regime. It revolves around core compound moves with the odd isolation exercise. I can assure you that i'm not some knob head that sits there just training my biceps then sauntering off into the sauna.

 

[rockstar 69]

A lot of different forums, listening to young and old at the gym, fitness magazines etc. I'm not really bothered for putting it to anything at the moment other than looking & feeling my best. I have concidered boxing but I want to get to my desired size first before I start hitting any heavy cardio. Obviously my routine is going to be a pretty classic bodybuilders work out/diet, because I am currently trying to build size.

I have no problem with other people doing what suits them best, there's certain exercises I don't/won't do because they don't do much for me, certain ways of doing things that don't agree with me.. etc. MSB's original comment to Urbain came across more as constructive criticism mixed with a scarcastic pointer. It wasn't anything to go shouting "prick" etc about. I wonder had that not been MSB who had said that would the reaction have been the same? Doubt it.

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

I respectfully disagree. Having done grueling ab workouts 6 days a week and not fallen apart, I'm confident that even if Urb is training hard each time (who knows if he is or not?) he'll be just fine.




I'm sorry if I offended you. Where else have you been looking for training methods? The routine you outlined is a pretty classic bodybuilders format. All I meant by my comment is that it's horses for courses. Your training is no use to me, my training is likewise unsuited to someone interested only in maximising aesthetic results.

Please explain why you think your abs are any different to your other muscles? Yes, you can condition any muscle in your body to cope with overtraining, that doesn't mean you couldn't have had better results via using a method that allowed them a chance to recover properly, does it? Have you tried doing them twice a week with higher weights, as well as doing them loads 6 times a week, and compared the results? I used to do abs every session (like a moron I might add), and now that I treat them like any other muscles they have grown far bigger and stronger. Urb is no fighter either way... he's doing it for aesthetics and well being - again, please just read what i'm responding to before jumping all over me for it.

Plus, having a quick look around some boxing sites suggests to me that a lot of boxers prefer to train all their muscles for both strength and endurance, not just endurance. You will be able to take a harder punch or kick to your abs if you have been lifting bigger weights with them, than if you have been exercising them with just body weight repetitively... If you are doing hundreds of crunches because you do muia thai or whatever, then that also seems quite misguided to me. Sport specific functional exercising along with low reps high weight exercises would make far more sense to me.

 

[knock]

MSB + Cod = Bodybuilding clique. We're clique-infested.

 

[Mailmonkey]

Team Bring It!

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

MSB + Cod = Bodybuilding clique. We're clique-infested.

I know you're only joking, but RS is just kindly jumping in because people are generally being bellends purely because it's me posting pointers and not someone else. Urbain wants bigger abs to attract more ned girls, I tell him the tried, tested and true method, of getting bigger abs, and he gets shirty over it! When I was training my abs like he did, with the same goal, and someone pointed me in the right direction I just tried their advice and it worked. I then said the not so often uttered word 'thank you'. Anyone would think I was asking him to put pins in his eyes.

 

[rockstar 69]

Everyone needs a clique! EADD is essentially a clique of cliques. It's all good in the clique

 

[Furious George]

A lot of different forums, listening to young and old at the gym, fitness magazines etc. I'm not really bothered for putting it to anything at the moment other than looking & feeling my best. I have concidered boxing but I want to get to my desired size first before I start hitting any heavy cardio. Obviously my routine is going to be a pretty classic bodybuilders work out/diet, because I am currently trying to build size.

I have no problem with other people doing what suits them best, there's certain exercises I don't/won't do because they don't do much for me, certain ways of doing things that don't agree with me.. etc. MSB's original comment to Urbain came across more as constructive criticism mixed with a scarcastic pointer. It wasn't anything to go shouting "prick" etc about. I wonder had that not been MSB who had said that would the reaction have been the same? Doubt it.

I agree that it wasn't something to go shouting prick about, that's why I took it down. It was just having read a series of posts that rubbed me up the wrong way (I didn't see it as constructive criticism/sarcasm) and for a few minutes I just wondered; Why do you have to be such a prick about everything? So I wrote it down. Ah well.

I'm not criticising you, The routine you have will suit your bulking goals. All I really wanted to say was that there are many ways of training and that what you consider overtraing is pretty much the standard training for abs in boxing. Tens of thousands of people do it without detriment.

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

Everyone needs a clique! EADD is essentially a clique of cliques. It's all good in the clique

A clique of 2 isn't a clique, it's bum chums. Now come here and take it like a man, you sexy tanned scottish beefcake.

 

[rockstar 69]

Yeah I hear ya Furious but what I see constantly on here (I do not agree with MSB's political views) is MSB giving pretty sound advise then getting nothing back but petty insults because people are holding a grudge from another thread. I don't really read the ones that get political because I loose interest quickly so I'm not sure quite what he's done that people feel this way. It just constantly does my head in because here we are yet again.. Looks like disaster has been averted, just.

Urbain is pretty much training for the aesthetics from what's in this thread, which is why what he's doing might not be the best way round it. If it suits him then good for him at the end of the day.

MSB this isn't a dictatorship, sorry. You'll need to put in the groundwork, I don't put out that easy haha.

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

I agree that it wasn't something to go shouting prick about, that's why I took it down. It was just having read a series of posts that rubbed me up the wrong way (I didn't see it as constructive criticism/sarcasm) and for a few minutes I just wondered; Why do you have to be such a prick about everything? So I wrote it down. Ah well.

I'm not criticising you, The routine you have will suit your bulking goals. All I really wanted to say was that there are many ways of training and that what you consider overtraing is pretty much the standard training for abs boxing. Tens of thousands of people do it without detriment.

This is what I wrote after reading his regime and his goals/targets:

Why don't you figure out how to add more weight to your abs workouts instead of over training them? Pr0s don't get good abs by doing a thousand crunches every day, they get them by going on a decline bench with a 25kg plate on their chest :D

I don't see how anyone who isn't overly sensitive could get rubbed up the wrong way by it. Telling someone who wants big strong show off abs to do weighted lifts instead of endurance exercising is constructive feedback. It was honestly just friendly banter and constructive criticism, and it wasn't until it was thrown in my face that I got sarcastic and mocking...

 

[Mailmonkey]

Urbain always looks pretty fit anyway..

 

[knock]

So much so I was convinced he was a gay man.
But as MM has pointed out, not all beef is steak.

 

[Mailmonkey]

A beefcake isn't even beef

 

[rockstar 69]

^ Gay clique

 

[Mailmonkey]

Gay butchery clique actualy.