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The Dark side of MDMA?

ilovecrystal

ilovecrystal

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I have heard of some people having bad experiences on MDMA but never saw it happen to anyone.

A few days ago me and a few friends had some very good MDxx pills from a trusted source . I didnt see the results myself but I have had the same trusted source for years.

Me and my mates had a very good time however my partner had a very very bad time. He kept it to himself all night. We all had the same amount and he has a much better tolerance than me so I just couldn't understand it. I tried to but I need help in order to help him. He says he kept on hearing things that wasn't said. He thought people were talking about him and was paranoid all night and everything was wrong. he also said he kept seeing really horrible things. Everything for me was glittery and pretty the ceiling was moving and green :) but for him everything was darker and bad. He's had the drug only a few times less than me.

How does this happen? can someone please help me understand? it's a feel good chemical isn't it? so how can it possibly go bad? And how do I help?

I'm not sure if this belongs here but it seemed the best place to but it.

Oh and if possible I would like advance details. ( I can't tell my friends about this as he's embarrassed)

thanks for reading :)
 
A trusted scource means squat unless u test every single time. A good dealer is only as good as his last deal. There could be many reasons why ur friend didn't have a good time. Maybe they were pipes and u and ur friends handle pipes better than he. Maybe the pills u took have multiple presses out some good some bad. Or maybe ur friend is on medication which would block the roll or effect him differently. Or maybe he just doesn't react well to mdma which would really suck for him. Idk what to tell u there could be lots of reasons why he had that kind of night. Without knowing 100% what he took its nearly impossible to say why.

The efeects u explained sound like he took pipes. Paranoia and visuals are distinct effects of a piperzine cocktail
 
yanker said:
The efeects u explained sound like he took pipes. Paranoia and visuals are distinct effects of a piperzine cocktail
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I do believe there was piperzine in them, they did have a distinct taste but not as much of a zing as other pip pills (which I tend to avoid). In my experience piperzines tend to leave me feeling cold. I didn't feel the distinctive cold prickly feeling untill 9 to 10 hours after my last pill. He has had many other pipz before but had never had this much of a bad reaction. last time he was just very cold as was I.

I myself did experience some paranoia but not to that extent. I just shrugged it off and put it down to the pills.

However this does explain things, but it is weird as this has never happened before.

I must invest in a tester :)
 
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Well then the title of the thread should b the dark side of piperzine not mdma. This is the number 1 reason mdma has a bad name is because of uneducated users and when things go had it automatically gets blamed on mdma!!
 
Its a mind altering substance! You should be prepared for both good / bad effects? 'Normally' And I emphasize the NORMALLY people are all geared up for an an amazing night / experience etc. Sometimes though they have certain issues / problems that are niggling at them/they are not 100% comfortable = bad experience. Yes on tested / Clean MDMA!
 
so someone can have a 'bad trip' on MDMA? iv had some experiences on it that were a bit strange and cracked out feeling but i always thought it was just me being wierd. i could never figure out why all my rolls at certain point just started to suck. i mean im taking good pills and i feel slight effects and but it doesnt feel 'right'. its like im rolling kind of but its very watered down kind of roll. i guess there are just too many factors on why i feel wierd when i roll now. maybe im getting to old for this shit lol. maybe i just need a nice long break(12months). i had a seizure recently, maybe that fucked up something in my brain and ill never be the same. i really wonder sometimes why this had happened to me. i wish someone could tell me why im all fucked up now.
 
yanker said:
Well then the title of the thread should b the dark side of piperzine not mdma. This is the number 1 reason mdma has a bad name is because of uneducated users and when things go had it automatically gets blamed on mdma!!
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MDMA is not a miracle drug - the fact that you have MDMA does not mean your going to have a good night? I personally have had great nights on piperazines / I have had horrible nights on MDxx. Do we really strip the experience down to the chemical were on or the experience we had? Do I automatically associate MDMA with a good night = NO!
 
Bearlove said:
MDMA is not a miracle drug - the fact that you have MDMA does not mean your going to have a good night? I personally have had great nights on piperazines / I have had horrible nights on MDxx. Do we really strip the experience down to the chemical were on or the experience we had? Do I automatically associate MDMA with a good night = NO!
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great night on pipes? im sorry dude but that sounds like a stretch. i can see how MDMA doesnt always mean a good time cause its happened to me. but to have a good time on pipes sounds impossible. do pipes feel good to some people or something? sorry i dont get that.

more importantly. what really causes the bad time on MDMA? is it all just set and setting? so if im in a good state of mind before i roll ill have a way better roll then? im just really curious as im starting think MDMA is a drug you have to learn how to do in a way. its intersting to me cause iv had some really wierd cracked out nights on MDMA that didnt feel right at ALL. its not my pills either, unless you consider red defqons and yellow tri-force adulterated or bunk. the last couple times i took these it was not fun. i just felt like i was on the verg on rollin but just felt wierd and cracked out for the most part with light normal MDMA effects. not sure what thats all about. maybe i just needed a higher dose?
 
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Bearlove said:
MDMA is not a miracle drug - the fact that you have MDMA does not mean your going to have a good night? I personally have had great nights on piperazines / I have had horrible nights on MDxx. Do we really strip the experience down to the chemical were on or the experience we had? Do I automatically associate MDMA with a good night = NO!
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Yes but the op has already stated there pills they believed to have piperzine in it therefore how can one automatically blame mdma for the bad experience? Sure some may enjoy pipes the 1% that do doesn't overrule the 99% that don't. To automatically blame mdma for a death or a hospilization like the police and media do is just absurd. And I do believe mdma is the miracle drug cause the first time I rolled I swore I had died and gone to heaven and only a miracle can make u feel so good!
 
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Yes but the op has already stated there pills they believed to have piperzine in it therefore how can one automatically blame mdma for the bad experience? Sure some may enjoy pipes the 1% that do doesn't overrule the 99% that don't. To automatically blame mdma for a death or a hospilization like the police and media do is just absurd. And I do believe mdma is the miracle drug cause the first time I rolled I swore I had died and gone to heaven and only a miracle can make u feel so good!
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uhhhh did you read my post bro?:?
 
Pipes can be a bit nasty.. were for me on several occasions. MDMA isnt necessarily that bad... however bad experiences can develop and be exaggerated by preexisting dispositions.. social/psychological/physical anything. Bad times can affect anyone. A mate of mine had half a defqon and ended up on a checkin in hospital having the pinky-purple-anti-mdma-liquid.... was anxiety related in the end, a bit panicky and life situations going on for him, wasnt in the right frame of mind previously. Generally though MDMA in controlled amounts not too often is class. Been a month for me.. gonna give it another 2-3 before I hit a triforce again and looking foward. Had bad times in the past from smashing it and waking up feeling like crap.. overdoing it does that.- Stopped that business half a year ago mind, less is more etc

is it all just set and setting? so if im in a good state of mind before i roll ill have a way better roll then?
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Basically yeah :) Perfect beforehand = excellent experience, maybe even mind-blowing if you dont smash it too often.... bad beforehand = pilled up as fuck maybes a bit clueless and possibly subjectively worse afterglow/comedown
 
Deathduet said:
Pipes can be a bit nasty.. were for me on several occasions. MDMA isnt necessarily that bad... however bad experiences can develop and be exaggerated by preexisting dispositions.. social/psychological/physical anything. Bad times can affect anyone. A mate of mine had half a defqon and ended up on a checkin in hospital having the pinky-purple-anti-mdma-liquid.... was anxiety related in the end, a bit panicky and life situations going on for him, wasnt in the right frame of mind previously. Generally though MDMA in controlled amounts not too often is class. Been a month for me.. gonna give it another 2-3 before I hit a triforce again and looking foward. Had bad times in the past from smashing it and waking up feeling like crap.. overdoing it does that.- Stopped that business half a year ago mind, less is more etc


Basically yeah :) Perfect beforehand = excellent experience, maybe even mind-blowing if you dont smash it too often.... bad beforehand = pilled up as fuck maybes a bit clueless and possibly subjectively worse afterglow/comedown
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maybe your right. maybe im just over thinking it when im rollin now? i honestly dont know whats wrong me. i am all fucked up man. i just need to take a long 12 month break from taking MDMA. i didnt think this day would come so fast though. ill admit i did abuse it a couple times, but nothing like some people have. cant figure out how i lost the magic so fast. it was literally just a couple of times abusing it within a 6 month period and then bam. the magic is just gone now. i feel like im rollin but its wierd and i just feel more cracked out clinching my jaw and eye wiggles. i dont get that same feeling of empathy and euphoria as before. its just not the same anymore:(

maybe abusing opiates has something to do with it?
 
yanker said:
Well then the title of the thread should b the dark side of piperzine not mdma. This is the number 1 reason mdma has a bad name is because of uneducated users and when things go had it automatically gets blamed on mdma!!
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We suspected it had pipz in them but wasn't too sure, and as I said earlier he had taken many pipz before and it had never had that type of effect him. I understand your frustration I feel the same way about uneducated users. He hasn't had MDMA many times he is more used to piperzine. Now that i know that the piperzine could have been a factor maybe a mod should rename it.

sorry for the rant but it seems like your calling me stupid, if not then forget everything i just said :)

happy days :)
 
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ilovecrystal said:
We suspected it had pipz in them but wasn't too sure, and as I said earlier he had taken many pipz before and it had never had that type of effect him. I understand you'r frustration I feel the same way about uneducated users. He hasn't had MDMA many times he is more used to piperzine. Now that i know that the piperzine could have been a factor maybe a mod should rename it.

sorry for the rant but it seems like your calling me stupid, if not then forget everything i just said :)

happy days :)
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I'm not calling u stupid if I was I would've called u stupid lol I have enough infractions one more wouldn't have been a big deal. There are I think 3 or 4 different piperzines out there that can be mixed into literally dozens of different cocktails depending on how much and what kinds. So if u were to take a pipe pill today made one way and love it which I would find it hard to believe u can take a different pill w pipes tom and have a completely different experience on it. My frustrations mainly lays with the media and law enforcement who automatically label a death or a bust as ecstasy related. Dozens of times I've seen news stories where people are hospitalized because of mdma yet I'm willing to bet the house it wasn't even legit ecstasy they took. Other times I've seen police busts on tv claiming they've seized ecstasy one story showing hundreds of thousand of yellow Bart Simpsons all bagged up claiming it was a huge ecstasy bust when in fact it wasn't even mdma in those tablets. That's what I'm talking about. The lack of education on the parts of the media just lumping everything into the ecstasy catagory.
 
yanker said:
Yea I thought we were agreeing on the pipes no?
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well basically i mean iv had 'bad' or 'weird' rolls on good MDMA before. why does this happen? it wasnt the worste experience ever but the rolls i have nowa days are just watered down is the best way to describe it. i get light amp effects(tweaked) and eye wiggles mild stim feeling. but i dont get the intense rushing euphoria and empathy. i feel like i did some low quality meth on MDMA now. i cant figure out whats wrong with me now dude. something is not right......

and im pretty sure red defqons and yellow tri-force are fairly good beans.

so to be fair to the OP. i think there can be a dark side of MDMA. i still love MDMA.
 
yanker said:
I'm not calling u stupid if I was I would've called u stupid lol I have enough infractions one more wouldn't have been a big deal. There are I think 3 or 4 different piperzines out there that can be mixed into literally dozens of different cocktails depending on how much and what kinds. So if u were to take a pipe pill today made one way and love it which I would find it hard to believe u can take a different pill w pipes tom and have a completely different experience on it. My frustrations mainly lays with the media and law enforcement who automatically label a death or a bust as ecstasy related. Dozens of times I've seen news stories where people are hospitalized because of mdma yet I'm willing to bet the house it wasn't even legit ecstasy they took. Other times I've seen police busts on tv claiming they've seized ecstasy one story showing hundreds of thousand of yellow Bart Simpsons all bagged up claiming it was a huge ecstasy bust when in fact it wasn't even mdma in those tablets. That's what I'm talking about. The lack of education on the parts of the media just lumping everything into the ecstasy catagory.
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Okay that's all good :) sorry man I must be on a comedown :) been snappy all day. Words without tone or body language is hard to convey correctly :)

I do share your frustration, my mum told today that apparently somebody had died taking MDMA crystals recently in the UK. So I asked her 'yeah were they drinking?' she said no 'are you sure it was MD' and when she answered yes I told her not to believe anything your hear on the news about drugs it's all just bullshit to make it look bad, but she never listens :) and neither will the rest of this mind washed by the media world :) I have only had two bad times on MDMA and it was all because there was someone there that I didn't like I haven't had a bad time since.

There was one type of piperazine I really did enjoy :) not sure what type it was but it was very very nice. the others have just left me cold, the visuals weren't too bad.
 
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