Taper Off 100mg Methadone using Heroin and Opium

[youstoned]

Anyways in 2 months from now I am going on a 6 week vacation/family friend wedding
to a third world country where heroin,opium, and hash is widely available
dirt cheap.

I"m sick of the Clinic life n these liquid handcuffs and want to be off methadone soon but can't stand a long drawn out
taper from 100mg to 0. Then 4 weeks of W/d hell

My plan is when i leave for there I'm gonna take my 2 takehomes with me.

Day 1-80mg Day 2-60mg Day 3- 40mg Day 4- 20mg. Then that's it with the 'done FOREVER hopefully.
That will also give me a few days to settle in and get all my other supplies.

As soon as W/D kicks in, I'm gonna have 4 weeks of enjoyment with
White no#4 heroin as pure as it gets. a one gram lotto fold would be <snip - no prices please>.

So I'm thinking 2 weeks of Pure H snorted, so that way i can get all of Mdone out of my system.
then 2 weeks of just smoking opium to bring tolerance down.

So by the 5th week. I stop all Opiates and go thru a short 3-5 days of WD max.
For those days I smoke all the Hash i need and Benzos with Lope for optimal comfort.

So by end of 5th week I'm all good and Then Fly back W/D Free back home on 6th Week.

Let me know what am i missing here or the flaws in my plan?
Anyone else switch to a short acting opiate from Methadone?

Thanks n sorry for the long post.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

Yeah, I see a few flaws with this plan. First, when people taper of methadone using a short-acting opioid, they usually stabilize on the short-acting opioid for about a month and then start tapering down. Reason being that acute methadone withdrawals can last for about a month (and PAWS lasts much longer). Second problem is do you really think you will be able to control your heroin use if, as you say, you have access to high-quality affordable heroin? Third, going from 100mg of methadone to 20mg of methadone in 4 days will probably be pretty painful. And fourth, do you have any plan to help with the mental aspects of addiction?

I'm sorry, but I foresee a great chance that your plan will go out the window and you will end up using way more heroin than you intend to and maybe stop only when you are forced to fly back home and be in terrible withdrawals. It's notoriously hard to do a self-taper with heroin.

 

[youstoned]

So even 5 weeks of short acting opioid won't remove the Mdone W/D's.

How long would the intense PAWS last for Methadone?

Would it be easier on the mental aspect if I use Opium
only rather then H.

I can handle mental Wd's just as long as the painful physical part is gone.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

The "painful physical part" of methadone withdrawals usually last around a month. PAWS can last much longer and varies from person to person, but the symptoms are generally mostly psychological and you will still get PAWS when you come off the shorter-acting opiate as well. I don't have much experience with Opium and it depends on the person, but my guess would be that it might be slightly easier mentally for some people than going back to using heroin.

As I said, when people taper off methadone using a short-acting opioid, they usually stabilize on the short-acting opioid for about a month and then start tapering down. Your plan was to stabilize on heroin for 2 weeks and then start tapering down with opium. And my biggest concern is that you haven't mentioned any plan for the mental aspects of addiction, which are the hardest ones to deal with and the primary reason for relapse.

 

[THC2LSD]

Using heroin to quit methadone is like using cocaine to quit concerta. The withdrawal from methadone is longer but less severe. It's easier to gradually lower the methadone dose than a short acting opiate. I've heard contradictory things. Some say that tapering with methadone gives less severe withdrawal, others say it's almost as bad.

If it's real opium and not black tar I'd argue it's the lesser evil. But it's much weaker and many in the west don't have a steady connect.

 

[youstoned]

Well I thought over your guy's responses and I guess I'm underestimating the mental aspect n relapse part. I might go out there use
the H to hold over the WD's till I come back. and then restart my Done around 40-50mg and taper my way down from there slowly.

But I just wanted to add this being the reason i even asked this question. Maybe it might change your advice IDK..


I was in the same situation 2 1/2 year's ago except i was on 120mg MMT-1 year

I went on the same trip for 3 months and left with 5 TH's of Methadone. Those lasted me about 2 weeks before i ran out.
I was also in a remote village with No Hard Drugs around other then OTC Darvocet and some OTC Benzos at the local chemist store.

So for the next 2 weeks, I took Darvocet to ease the WD's. But to be honest, After takings 4 tablets (200mg of propoxyphene) oddly
my phys WD's would be 80% gone for 4-5 hrs. So i would redose every 6 hrs. Which would allow me to do activities with my family normally without them noticing anything. I would occasionally take xanax to help with sleeping good.

But after those 2 weeks ended. I starting feeling better and only took the darvocet once a day for a week.

After that I had no more WD's and stop taking darvocet. 3 weeks after running out of the Mdone.

I do realize this normally doesn't happen with methadone WD and I was just lucky to dodge a impending doom.

So for the next 2 months I just enjoyed my vacation, Occasional smoking Hash and taking a few benzos.
Even after I came home i was opiate free for 7 months and then starting chipping which eventually
turned to a habit and brought me back here again. sigh.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

That is very different though, because there was no access to hard drugs (other than the Darvocet and benzos), whereas on this trip you said you're going to have access to plentiful cheap high-quality heroin. Also after being on methadone for an additional 2.5 yrs you have a stronger dependence and will likely have worse withdrawal symptoms. But I'm not saying it's not even worth trying, especially if your alternative is to just use lots of heroin for the entire trip and not even try to taper down, I just don't think it's a very feasible plan if your goal is to eventually quit opioids. I also don't think it is very feasible to go use heroin for 6 wks and then try to taper off the methadone. You need to work on your mental addiction - 7 months is good for the last time you tried to quit, but surely that shows you that the mental aspects are harder than the physical and that you can't use heroin.

Are you not able to get carries of methadone for this trip?

 

[youstoned]

They won't give me more than just a few carries. So that's the main problem.

Would it be better just smoking opium to maintain till I get back?

Also If i do decide to take a H vacation. Would I even be able to snort enough H to
catch a decent euphoria being that my tolerance is so high? (i'm not willing to IV)

How much H would it even require with 70+% pure. and my super high tolerance.
I'm also worried that Done will block any type of real euphoria.

Thanks for the input.

 

[BananasAndOranges]

First of all from personal Experience with MMT, tapering/switching/quitting---Methadone is different than a LOT of other opiates and opiods. Theres more Physical withdrawals, yes you can switch to another opiate and taper BUT nothing will take away a wd of a dose that high. You need a differwnt plan. Methadone fucks with differwnt areas. I wish you luck but even a gram of heroin isn't going to get rid of that physical shit.Its just really complicated. Its not a cake walk. You'll end up sick.....either wy I am telling you that. No free ride, and I think anyone in MMT knows this. I will say for the rage you will more than likely get, please have methadone around just in case. You can always taper a lower methadone dose THEN do something like that but again Methadone Dependence/Addiction is hard to deal with.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

They won't give me more than just a few carries. So that's the main problem.

Would it be better just smoking opium to maintain till I get back?

Also If i do decide to take a H vacation. Would I even be able to snort enough H to
catch a decent euphoria being that my tolerance is so high? (i'm not willing to IV)

How much H would it even require with 70+% pure. and my super high tolerance.
I'm also worried that Done will block any type of real euphoria.

Thanks for the input.

I'm sorry I have no idea. When I switched from methadone to heroin before I was using IV heroin, and not sure of the purity (maybe 20%?), so I have no idea what a suitable dose for snorting heroin would be or for the purity level you think you will be getting. Plus it really varies from person to person. All you can really do is gradually titrate your heroin dose up until it's holding you. Methadone will not block euphoria from heroin when you are no longer taking it. You just might have a high tolerance and require a lot of heroin to keep from feeling withdrawals. Unlike BananasAndOranges, I did find that I was able to get decent relief from heroin after being on methadone. But I was injecting it and using a lot of it, and had to use very frequently.

What I would do if I were you is try to taper down on the methadone as much as you possibly can before you go on this trip. Or even consider switching to Suboxone, as they should let you take a supply of Suboxone with you for your trip. And I would really avoid using heroin if you are committed to getting off opioids.

 

[phatass]

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[Beachcat]

It looks like he comes from a country called North Carolina, where every single medical professional has bought into the all opiate users are addicts who can't be trusted...sorry, own personal rant, I have no idea about the OPs question, but totally sympathize with the situation....