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All Things Fitness/Gym/Aesthetics 2012: So Homoerotic!

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Giving up booze works wonders if you're trying to lose weight.

I wasn't actually trying, but I quit booze and 3 stone just disappeared (used to be 15 stone).

Absolutely seconded. I've really struggled to lose the last 3kg because work has been fucking stressful, and I've been drinking an AWFUL lot of wine. When I started my diet I was having etizolam in place of a glass or six, and finding I lost a lot of weight relatively quickly, but have decided that's a habit I probably shouldn't get into, so gone back on the booze. Plus, I enjoy the act of drinking a glass of wine too much :D Wish I could just have a smoke, but the crushing paranoia and extreme associated jaffa cake abuse are contrary to my goals ;)
 
Hard to say how much strength i've lost as I eased myself into it this morning with 15kg on each dumbbell doing bench presses. Feels fine though. I've definitely lost quite a bit of muscle in the bicep area though. Amazing how quickly you lose it. Almost makes me not want to bother with it, if you lose it that fast. But I shall soldier on and hopefully it won't take long to put the gains back on.
 
Absolutely seconded. I've really struggled to lose the last 3kg because work has been fucking stressful, and I've been drinking an AWFUL lot of wine. When I started my diet I was having etizolam in place of a glass or six, and finding I lost a lot of weight relatively quickly, but have decided that's a habit I probably shouldn't get into, so gone back on the booze. Plus, I enjoy the act of drinking a glass of wine too much :D Wish I could just have a smoke, but the crushing paranoia and extreme associated jaffa cake abuse are contrary to my goals ;)

This musclepharm recon stuff contains all sorts of stuff that seems to chill me out a bit by working on the gaba. They've also bought out a new one, which I think is only available in america at the moment, which is specifically made to feed your muscles and promote sleep.
 
Hard to say how much strength i've lost as I eased myself into it this morning with 15kg on each dumbbell doing bench presses. Feels fine though. I've definitely lost quite a bit of muscle in the bicep area though. Amazing how quickly you lose it. Almost makes not want to bother with it, if you lose it that fast. But I shall solder on and hopefully it won't take long to put the gains back on.

If you take it really far with the bodybuilding/working out, say for like a couple of years going hard at it, then you rapidly lose all the strength, but it leaves you looking better than the average bear for a good couple of years before you look like a sack of potatoes like every other person in the high street these. The thing with strength gains any way, is that most of them are 'fake'. That phase when you first begin and you're lifting an extra few kg on each of your lifts isn't you getting stronger, it's just you getting better control and form I think.
 
MSB I've done a course of D-bol once before, gained a stone and alot of strength but wouldn't do it again, far too much water retention. That was over a year ago.

The reports I've heard on that t-bullets just seem unbelievable to be honest. Gaining 7ibs a week and loosing a bit of body fat with it. Surely not.

Taking 5g's of test in a week is ludicrous to be honest no wonder they suffer serious roid rage, 500mg a week is about the most your ment to take. 5g a week would kill most of us quite quickly. If you've ever seen pics of The Rock from the wrestling now and 5 years ago he's clearly on some serious doses of roids now.

I know a good stack would be like 1 x inj of 400mg/ml test400 a week, 50mg t-bol a day, arimidex from week 4 every other day, nolva towards the end and winstrol or anavar to cut. I don't think I'm ready or have the money for that though.

From what I can gather the t-bullets are superdrol and MST. I'm not kidding myself that they are not steroids, because they are, they're just legal. And I know a PCT would definately have to be run after. What do you think to t-bullets vs t-bol though? Am I likely to find more water retention with the t-bullets? They are both the same price but I'm not even sure what dose of t-bullets you'd run a day? 1 capsule? Also I'm seeing superdrol being compared to anadrol/oxy, yet without the water. In this case surely the gains will be the nuts. But what PCT would you actually run with and from when?

Sorry for all the questions just your scientific approach to these things is far better than my own. I've asked round a few mates and lads at the gym. Everyone that's done them seems to recommend them but only with a PCT. I need more info really before I commit to this.
 
This musclepharm recon stuff contains all sorts of stuff that seems to chill me out a bit by working on the gaba. They've also bought out a new one, which I think is only available in america at the moment, which is specifically made to feed your muscles and promote sleep.

Ooh, looks interesting! Me and the hubby don't really use much in the way of supplements apart from protein shakes and the odd bout of ECA stack abuse (me, not him, he's almost at his target weight, eats like a cunt and openly laughs at me as I pick at my little plate of salmon and steamed veg, don't get me wrong, I love him to death but it's surely cruel to be waving jaffa cakes under your fat missus's nose all the time ;) )
 
MSB I've done a course of D-bol once before, gained a stone and alot of strength but wouldn't do it again, far too much water retention. That was over a year ago.

The reports I've heard on that t-bullets just seem unbelievable to be honest. Gaining 7ibs a week and loosing a bit of body fat with it. Surely not.

Taking 5g's of test in a week is ludicrous to be honest no wonder they suffer serious roid rage, 500mg a week is about the most your ment to take. 5g a week would kill most of us quite quickly. If you've ever seen pics of The Rock from the wrestling now and 5 years ago he's clearly on some serious doses of roids now.

I know a good stack would be like 1 x inj of 400mg/ml test400 a week, 50mg t-bol a day, arimidex from week 4 every other day, nolva towards the end and winstrol or anavar to cut. I don't think I'm ready or have the money for that though.

From what I can gather the t-bullets are superdrol and MST. I'm not kidding myself that they are not steroids, because they are, they're just legal. And I know a PCT would definately have to be run after. What do you think to t-bullets vs t-bol though? Am I likely to find more water retention with the t-bullets? They are both the same price but I'm not even sure what dose of t-bullets you'd run a day? 1 capsule? Also I'm seeing superdrol being compared to anadrol/oxy, yet without the water. In this case surely the gains will be the nuts. But what PCT would you actually run with and from when?

Sorry for all the questions just your scientific approach to these things is far better than my own. I've asked round a few mates and lads at the gym. Everyone that's done them seems to recommend them but only with a PCT. I need more info really before I commit to this.

I have been toying with the idea of doing just straight up winstrol, because although you won't put on as much, it is apparently just good solid muscle you're putting on. The main problem I see with it is hairloss, as it is apparently the worst for it. I'm not very well versed in steroids, but I still don't think these t-bullets or d-bols etc. are worth the risk:reward ratio they pose. Oral anabolic steroids cause a lot stress to your organs than just a shot in your butt cheek of some normal straight up winstrol or test, or even deca. I also don't know, and can't find out, how powerful they are, and plan PCT accordingly. I don't know how long the rebound where you have low test will be, it's usually 2-4 weeks isn't it? Where you'll want to take some nolvadex/clomid, HCG, and maybe some other stuff. I don't know anything about dosages or anything, because I don't know how hard the rebound will be. It might be that you don't need any PCT and you can just deal with having no sex drive and crying for a week, and get it over and done with?

Also from reading about, from what I can gather there are two routes for you to choose from when you're going to go down the injectable steroid route:

-Your route, of 400mg, which is on the low side, which will allow you to use nolva and look out for gyno and also counteract nut shrinkage and stuff.
-Read up a lot, get all your anti-estrogens and PCT and everything ready in advance. And really blow the bloody doors off. Do 2 shots in the week of 500-1000mg of test. Because the first time you use steroids is when you're going to get your very best results.

If and when I do go down that route I think i'll probably go for the latter. If you do it properly and safely, you can expect to put on a good couple of stone of muscle, and keep at least over half of that with good PCT and slow cutting (perhaps with a little bit of clen or T3+winstrol to spare your muscles). I think you should save up a bit, and wait until after the summer to do a huge winter bulking program if you're going to go down the steroid route. If you start on the oral steroids now, legal or illegal, you'll probably look a bit puffy like some sort of bouncer when you want to go to festival season, plus I have no idea what kind of interactions you're gonna get if you mix recreational drugs with roids. What do you think?
 
I've read all I need to know about T-bullets now on various different forums, don't go near them with a barge poll. Sound as bad as oxy's in the side effects and not convinced about the gains at all. Maybe if you are already 140kg and 10% bodyfat they might be ok, even then they are pretty questionable I think. Research roids ftl.

I've decided I'm going to stick with what I ordered off my protein.co.uk just now, look further into my diet and exercise programmes, start actually taking a diary again and leave the roids til at very least after creamfields. The consequences of testing the waters with anything just now then creamfields at the end of August could be pretty catostrophic, plus the longer I leave it and fitter I am when I start the better. I don't honestly think there would be any need for 800mg of test a week mate, for you or me. I've seen some mates get insane gains off 1 jab of tri test every 5-6 days.

Think around about october I'll get a vial of test 400mg/ml, PCT gear and then move straight onto a rip blend of 75mg cyp, prop and tren. None of the orals bar turinabol or anavar really sound worth the sides much.

Definately for now diet and sups is going to be my main focus til then. My exercise regime is already pretty tight I'd say.
 
MSB: http://www.bodyworkspersonaltraining.co.uk/t-bullets/ what do you make of that? He seems pretty genuine, although I'm not 100% convinced.

EDIT: http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/pro-hormones/173008-first-t-bullets-cycle-6.html I'm not liking the sound of the after effects at all really.

when i was into training i was pretty close to running a cycle of epistane. Sounds like an ideal PH/roid. Very dry, zero water retension, not so liver toxic. Id rather gain some weight than loads so every cunt is not pointing saying look at the roidhead.
 
I might just wait til next spring and run a cycle of tren tbh. None of the shitty water retention or puffy, just the roid rage to deal with.

Might get some ketamine in, it's very good if you can handle sniffing a bump before the gym. Shit you not I've benched 20kg more than usual without much effort on K. Probably the fact that it's a muscle relaxant and dissociative. I'm sure you know about the PcP stories MSB.
 
Wise choice. I wouldn't touch tren with a bargepole. You aren't a dog or a cow, so why use a steroid that's made for animals! I know that 400ml could hold me well and result in good gains, but the main rationale behind going a bit mad on the first course was really that it's not a lifestyle I want to get into. I don't really hear stories about people who used steroids once (unless it fucked them up), or even just use them once a year. They are obsessed, and psychologically addicted, to them. I wanted to just blast them once and get the maximum maximum gains, then knock it on the head.

I've still yet to find any decent info on what you're meant to do about acne and hairloss though. This is all pretty much just speculation though, because i'm of the opinion that I need to be at least 25 before I start using any of this stuff. Plus i'm gonna have to go down to harley street to see what sort of interactions and problems it could cause with my general health problems. I'm fairly sure that because of my disease I could easily geta private specialist doctors down there to prescribe me these amounts, so I definitely know what i'm getting though. I've read some rather nasty shit recently, as you do with most illegal drugs - like there being a massive amount of d-bol flying about that is just stupidly highly dosed clenbuterol which has been killing people like flies.
 
Your not 25 yet? How old are you? I thought you were 25-30 ish. Yeah 400mg/ml test is probably the way for it. Harder to get ripped on though, whereas tren does both. Fuck knows cross that bridge when we come to it.

Anyone know of any good online places where I can make myself a diary of what I'm eating? I've seen one before but can't remember it. I figure it would be a foolish idea to start on anything so heavy until everything else such as exercise, diet etc is waterproof.
 
I might just wait til next spring and run a cycle of tren tbh. None of the shitty water retention or puffy, just the roid rage to deal with.

Might get some ketamine in, it's very good if you can handle sniffing a bump before the gym. Shit you not I've benched 20kg more than usual without much effort on K. Probably the fact that it's a muscle relaxant and dissociative. I'm sure you know about the PcP stories MSB.

Yeah, a family member of mine is an ambulance driver and he went to a scene where a guy was flipping out on pcp. My family member was holding an arm, and 3 pigs were each holding a limb and they just couldn't restrain him to get a shot of relaxant in him, but he was still just lobbing them off of him with ease. So the other paramedic just walked in and nutted him between the eyes and knocked him clean out, and just said " did you guys just see anything? Me neither. Must have bumped his head" lol.

That just says to me a lot of lifting is all in the mind. I've been snidey and added an extra 5kg each side to a few of my mates benchs before and they've banged out their reps like it was the weight they thought it was. I've also flexed my arms pretending that i'm really taking lots of the weight off them when i'm spotting when really i'm just touching the bar, and it's just switched something in their head to tell them they can do this.
 
when i was into training i was pretty close to running a cycle of epistane. Sounds like an ideal PH/roid. Very dry, zero water retension, not so liver toxic. Id rather gain some weight than loads so every cunt is not pointing saying look at the roidhead.

Recently i've been looking at muscley people trying to figure out who is and who isn't on steroids. It's impossible to tell, and I have no idea whether certain sizes can or can't be achieved without some performance enhancement or not. The trouble is not many people are honest about their use, but surveys seem to suggest a lot more people than we think are using steroids. Pretty much every film star with quite large muscles who is in a super hero film has been put on a cycle. Almost every person on the cover of mens health has been airbrushed and roided out, along with various dieuretics and cutting agents. So who knows...
 
Your not 25 yet? How old are you? I thought you were 25-30 ish. Yeah 400mg/ml test is probably the way for it. Harder to get ripped on though, whereas tren does both. Fuck knows cross that bridge when we come to it.

Anyone know of any good online places where I can make myself a diary of what I'm eating? I've seen one before but can't remember it. I figure it would be a foolish idea to start on anything so heavy until everything else such as exercise, diet etc is waterproof.

Yeah I keep telling people this lol. I'm not even half way to 25 mate ;) My training is going to have to be so consistent and air tight before I touch anything at all, and it's going to have to be exacted with military precision. Within a year or two though I should have been able to fully rebuild my custom gym, so that it has all the equipment I need (it already does, but I will need more weights, and generally just higher quality stuff).
 
Recently i've been looking at muscley people trying to figure out who is and who isn't on steroids. It's impossible to tell, and I have no idea whether certain sizes can or can't be achieved without some performance enhancement or not. The trouble is not many people are honest about their use, but surveys seem to suggest a lot more people than we think are using steroids. Pretty much every film star with quite large muscles who is in a super hero film has been put on a cycle. Almost every person on the cover of mens health has been airbrushed and roided out, along with various dieuretics and cutting agents. So who knows...

You can actually spot it pretty easily in the likes of the gym or these Geordie Shore mob. It's the likes of the film stars it's harder to tell because they're also paying $1000 an hour personal trainers etc.

That just says to me a lot of lifting is all in the mind. I've been snidey and added an extra 5kg each side to a few of my mates benchs before and they've banged out their reps like it was the weight they thought it was. I've also flexed my arms pretending that i'm really taking lots of the weight off them when i'm spotting when really i'm just touching the bar, and it's just switched something in their head to tell them they can do this.

I totally agree with this by the way. If I had the money I'd get a PT again, pushes you that extra mile. Mates will have to do for now.
 
You can actually spot it pretty easily in the likes of the gym or these Geordie Shore mob. It's the likes of the film stars it's harder to tell because they're also paying $1000 an hour personal trainers etc.



I totally agree with this by the way. If I had the money I'd get a PT again, pushes you that extra mile. Mates will have to do for now.

Yeah you can spot the obvious steroid users by how poorly they use them. Those Geordie shore types are utter morons who basically don't do any PCT, and a lot of them never come off of the roids, they don't exercise or eat right either. It's the ones who do it properly who are confusing me. For instance, I think this guy may be on something or he may just be in peak physical condition:

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But when you consider that he looks like the above, when he looked this this 5 months before:

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You've seriously got to suspect there is some sort of performance enhancement going on there, haven't you?
 
^ he is in pretty good shape there with a visable 6 pack. He also looks young as fuck so i think it could be dedication, diet and good test levels.


if he was 35 then yeah.....on the roids id say
 
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