I'm afraid to try mushrooms again...

[Sn0wday]

I am currently 17 years old, life is on track; I have a good job, great family, good friends, good grades, etc. There are blips every now and then as in everyone's life, but overall I'm pretty sound of mind.
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Two years ago, when I was 15, I took psilocybin once at a very low dose. Only 1/16th, and had very vivid visuals, and overall an awesome trip. The next time I took 1/8th a couple weeks later, and it was a night of sheer terror that I will probably never forget; locked in my own room with someone whom I barely knew also tripping, with my face stuff into my pillow in the pitch black. That night I think I entered what people call "the void", where I realized that this entire life was imaginary and I had lived a life before this, and not I am returning to that previous "state" of dreaming, as in I had dreamed up this entire 15 years of life and it actually never occurred, all a dream. And the trip lasted for what felt like decades, going through incredibly powerful repetitive pattern like CEVs that were absolutely terrifying to me.

A couple weeks later I stupidly tried a similar dose again during the day, and it rendered a similar experience of absolutely whiting out into the deep depths of my own mind.

I realize, being 15 years old does NOT mix well with psychs and was probably why I just simply could not handle it. From then on I swore against psychs. That they weren't for me.

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Last summer, when I was almost 17 (only a couple months away) I tried LSD. Very strong liquid straight from a vial.

It was, the most beautiful, wonderful, and mindblowing 12 hours of my life. I've never been so happy. Even when it was ending I didn't want it to end. Not a trace of anxiety, no nothing, no scary visuals, everything was so beautiful. The entire time I was thinking "how could it even be possible to have a bad experience with this?!".

And from that day on my life changed forever. I don't go a day without thinking about that day in some way, connecting it to how I live my life now. The most positive life changing experience of my life. Hands down.
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Now, it has been nearly a year since that first LSD experience. I've inconstantly pondered how mushrooms could go so very wrong, but LSD go so very good. It felt like with the LSD I was in complete control, even though it felt more intense than shrooms, it didn't bother me. It was the fact that I had control over my own emotions in some way, or at least direct them. I didn't become the neurotic insane creature that shrooms turned me into. I also realized, psychs can be fun, but the true meaning of them is to find self-acceptance and enhance the chapter of life after their use.

Almost 18 now, maybe even more sound of mind than I was last year with LSD, but some stuff has been going on with my family (I have kept stellar grades, but got mixed up in some bad stuff at school and got suspended for the last two weeks, pretty big deal for my family as nothing like that has ever happened). But this was nearly a month ago and we've for the most part worked it out, but knowing psychs, it's those sort of things that may or may not start to bother you. Just keeping it in mind.

Point being here though, I want to try mushrooms again, LSD is near non-existent right now in my town. I feel like I could start with a low dose and see how it goes, with some good friends whom I also had the LSD trip with to sort of help the experience. Is this a good idea? I feel like the only reason my trip was so bad when I was 15, was because I was 15, simple as that. But I still can't ignore the memory of that experience. If I went back to that dark place, I just, can't. I need to never go there again. but in my maturity it may not exist anymore.
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Here is a scenario of the difference I find between the two psychs; with both psychs I didn't like being indoors.

With LSD, I was okay with being in doors with my two friends, but I just longed to go out in the state park next door roaming through nature. Which we did and it was great. no big deal to be inside, just wanted to be outside, for nature is the most beautiful and amazing "thing" in this world.

With Mushrooms, being indoors caused me to feel incredible amount of anxiety and claustrophobic like symptoms, freak out, puke, and enter a deathly and hellish trip which did not get back on track for a few hours.

See the difference?

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Thoughts? i'm not looking for a straightforward answer, cause i know there isn't one, but maybe just some advice. Precautions I could take before I trip?

 

[Flickering]

Like you, I had an absolutely hellish mushroom experience the first time I tried it. My mistake was downing an entire lemon ground into juice immediately after dosing. There's some debate about this, but I'm firmly of the opinion that this potentiates the trip significantly, because I'd never even heard of citrus interacting with psilocybin and my two grams was enough to put me into what you call The Void, for four hours straight. At the peak, not only did I not know my own name, I didn't know what anything... like, ANYTHING... was. I could not recognise my own room, nor even begin to imagine what reality was. The rest was a roller-coaster ride through purgatory, picking up the pieces until I came to the conclusion that I was in a psych ward, months after taking the trip, and that I would be insane for the rest of my life.

It was a year before I tried them again. When I did, I started low, and I was amazed to find they were gentler than I expected. In fact, I like mushrooms more than LSD now. The trip feels somehow cleaner and more compact. With LSD, it tends to sort of lag on after the sixth or seventh hour. Mushrooms don't outstay their welcome, and the state they take you to is very unique.

It's a darker, wilder, and certainly more dangerous ride than LSD. I would say, more is possible with psilocybin. But you must treat them with respect. You can go walking through the city on LSD, and as long as you're fairly experienced, you don't need to worry. I would not dare say the same for mushrooms. Be safe, plan for the worst, and never take them until you've arranged things so that you can't possibly hurt yourself in whatever incredible state of mind you end up in - you'll never know until you're there.

 

[webbykevin]

Like you, I had an absolutely hellish mushroom experience the first time I tried it. My mistake was downing an entire lemon ground into juice immediately after dosing. There's some debate about this, but I'm firmly of the opinion that this potentiates the trip significantly, because I'd never even heard of citrus interacting with psilocybin and my two grams was enough to put me into what you call The Void, for four hours straight. At the peak, not only did I not know my own name, I didn't know what anything... like, ANYTHING... was. I could not recognise my own room, nor even begin to imagine what reality was. The rest was a roller-coaster ride through purgatory, picking up the pieces until I came to the conclusion that I was in a psych ward, months after taking the trip, and that I would be insane for the rest of my life.

It was a year before I tried them again. When I did, I started low, and I was amazed to find they were gentler than I expected. In fact, I like mushrooms more than LSD now. The trip feels somehow cleaner and more compact. With LSD, it tends to sort of lag on after the sixth or seventh hour. Mushrooms don't outstay their welcome, and the state they take you to is very unique.

It's a darker, wilder, and certainly more dangerous ride than LSD. I would say, more is possible with psilocybin. But you must treat them with respect. You can go walking through the city on LSD, and as long as you're fairly experienced, you don't need to worry. I would not dare say the same for mushrooms. Be safe, plan for the worst, and never take them until you've arranged things so that you can't possibly hurt yourself in whatever incredible state of mind you end up in - you'll never know until you're there.

Exactly what he said +1, that's great advice.

To the OP .. the advice I can add is do some research and pay attention to your diet in the lead up to the shrooms, at least a week of eating the right stuff (do your own research, its all on line either here or at erowid) it will be a good exercise and bring you into a mature engagement with the pharmacology not just the trip.

Then fast for 6 hours before you do them, and don't fuck about with lemon teks or mao's or any other bullshit at this stage just chew em up with a glass of water to wash the bits down., the only thing I would say it's relatively safe to add to the experience is maybe smoke a bit of weed but even that's not necessary and will change/influence the trip.

Dont go too low, you want an effective dose but stay under 2 grams at this stage, and TALK TO THE MUSHROOM, It sounds silly now I know but trust me, state your intentions, tell it you are anxious because of before, it will remember, tell it you come in good spirit, you are holding nothing back, you are giving it your trust and you would like to get to know more about it and the mystery that surrounds it, and say PLEASE DON"T HURT ME.

I know it sounds mad but it fucking works, and if the trip starts to get out of control or overwhelming don't curl up in a ball and plant your face in a pillow, SIT UP, BREATH DEEPLY, get the blood flowing and get oxygen into your brain, you can kind of direct it a bit, don't be fooled into thinking you are totally at the mercy of whatever this thing is, Dennis McKenna once said in an email that the mushroom is a trickster and will lead a fool on a merry dance, so keep your self together.

Get the set and setting right, VERY IMPORTANT, I'd say do it alone and work it out just between the mushroom and you but a lot of folk spin out at the thought of tripping on their own so no biggie if you don't feel up to that, but make sure whoever is going to be around you is a cool chilled out caring person.

You'll be fine, you sound very sensible, be safe, you did a great job posting to bluelight and asking the questions you did, see you in hyperspace bro.

 

[didier.johnson]

Yeah I had the exact same bad trip that you had on mushrooms, going to the void and seeing how everything was imaginary and you've done it all before, this website really helped with my experience and helped turn it in to a positive one http://www.wedietorememberwhatwelivetoforget.com/files/We_Die_to_Remember_What_We_Live_to_Forget.pdf

 

[Sn0wday]

Like you, I had an absolutely hellish mushroom experience the first time I tried it. My mistake was downing an entire lemon ground into juice immediately after dosing. There's some debate about this, but I'm firmly of the opinion that this potentiates the trip significantly, because I'd never even heard of citrus interacting with psilocybin and my two grams was enough to put me into what you call The Void, for four hours straight. At the peak, not only did I not know my own name, I didn't know what anything... like, ANYTHING... was. I could not recognise my own room, nor even begin to imagine what reality was. The rest was a roller-coaster ride through purgatory, picking up the pieces until I came to the conclusion that I was in a psych ward, months after taking the trip, and that I would be insane for the rest of my life.

It was a year before I tried them again. When I did, I started low, and I was amazed to find they were gentler than I expected. In fact, I like mushrooms more than LSD now. The trip feels somehow cleaner and more compact. With LSD, it tends to sort of lag on after the sixth or seventh hour. Mushrooms don't outstay their welcome, and the state they take you to is very unique.

It's a darker, wilder, and certainly more dangerous ride than LSD. I would say, more is possible with psilocybin. But you must treat them with respect. You can go walking through the city on LSD, and as long as you're fairly experienced, you don't need to worry. I would not dare say the same for mushrooms. Be safe, plan for the worst, and never take them until you've arranged things so that you can't possibly hurt yourself in whatever incredible state of mind you end up in - you'll never know until you're there.

At the second,awful trip, I had an empty stomach but downed an entire large sized gatorade of orange juice, and wham those mushrooms hit me in like 10 minutes. I ended up puking in my friends house abruptly, both friends were not tripping, and i couldn't see the puke through the visuals which right then became incredibly frightening, like rows of hellish looking phantasms and spirits bobbing up and down screaming, etc., so I couldn't clean up, and they had to, so that led down to a terrible place...

And YES, that feeling of being like halfway through the trip, and going "I'm insane, and I've been like this forever, my lifetime was a blink of an eye compared to this" The absolute loss of reality. Ego-death. I was so certain that night in my bed that I had died and woken up from the dream that life was, and now I'd just sit in the psychedelic horrific limbo for eternity (and yes, eternity then followed.)

I would get into these like, loops. Loops of time that would speed up and speed up until they reach unreal speeds and that unreal speed would be become a new piece of time, then that would loop. I get shivers just thinking about it.

 

[Flickering]

I know exactly what you mean. It's horrible. Funnily enough, it didn't start to actually get bad until I began to remember things. Then I realised what a terrible state of mind I was in, and it all went to shit. First I thought I was God. I was God and my entire life had been my imagination, I'd created it to deal with the incredible loneliness of being the only living thing in all space and time. None of my friends or family had ever been real. I'd created this life to make myself forget the unbearable isolation. But now I remembered, and the illusion was torn away from me mercilessly - total solipsism.

Then I thought, if I'm God, then I choose to exit this human life. I was at such a bad place in my life then that I didn't care anyway, I just wanted to leave it and I eagerly awaited going on to something new. But the human program wouldn't end. I was trapped there in that room.

Then I realised I would be trapped there forever. I got down on my knees and started pleading with God - myself - to forgive my sins and to let me out. Nothing changed and there was no escape. I couldn't forgive myself.

And that was just the first hour. It kept going on and on, glossolalia and a bizarre kind of nausea and constant discontinuity of time / amnesia, thought loops like the one you described (No I'm God and I'm leaving this illusion - no I took magic mushrooms and they killed me - no I'm God and I'm leaving this illusion - no I took magic mushrooms), absolute decoherence, schizophrenic certainty that nothing I saw really existed, every negative emotion under the surface blasting me with the full force of despair, horror and depression, an unbearable feeling of tension rising, rising but never resolving... And it was all, absolutely and totally, real.

Citrus does potentiate it, and maybe it even influences the trip itself. Like you, I was feeling the first effects within ten minutes. All visuals ceased when things started to go crazy, and this was what later convinced me that I was no longer tripping, but insane in a mental ward. If nothing else, experiences like that teach you respect, respect, respect.

 

[somaeye]

....First I thought I was God....

However, that is incorrect - unless you want to make up your own definition.

But if you look at where the Word "God" came from - then you'll start seeing who God really is.

For instance, in the Vedas there is a God who is called "the God of gods" and "the Creator of the gods". That God, ("the Father" in Christianity), was called "Soma".

It is still recognized in the Hindu religion today that Soma was a Plant - although the identity of which plant was lost. (In Christianity, even the knowledge that the "Father" was a plant was lost -- wheat wafers? -- wine?!!)

There is debate about which plant Soma was. Some people think Psilocybin. Others think Amanita Muscaria.....etc. (I believe that Soma is/was/will be all Psychedelics)

Soma is the God - not us. God is perfect - we are imperfect.

God is not lonely.

"This is what we have heard from him, and the message that we are announcing to you: God is light; there is no darkness in (Them) at all." -- 1John, 1,5

 

[webbykevin]

I know exactly what you mean. It's horrible. Funnily enough, it didn't start to actually get bad until I began to remember things. Then I realised what a terrible state of mind I was in, and it all went to shit. First I thought I was God. I was God and my entire life had been my imagination, I'd created it to deal with the incredible loneliness of being the only living thing in all space and time. None of my friends or family had ever been real. I'd created this life to make myself forget the unbearable isolation. But now I remembered, and the illusion was torn away from me mercilessly - total solipsism.

Then I thought, if I'm God, then I choose to exit this human life. I was at such a bad place in my life then that I didn't care anyway, I just wanted to leave it and I eagerly awaited going on to something new. But the human program wouldn't end. I was trapped there in that room.

Then I realised I would be trapped there forever. I got down on my knees and started pleading with God - myself - to forgive my sins and to let me out. Nothing changed and there was no escape. I couldn't forgive myself.

And that was just the first hour. It kept going on and on, glossolalia and a bizarre kind of nausea and constant discontinuity of time / amnesia, thought loops like the one you described (No I'm God and I'm leaving this illusion - no I took magic mushrooms and they killed me - no I'm God and I'm leaving this illusion - no I took magic mushrooms), absolute decoherence, schizophrenic certainty that nothing I saw really existed, every negative emotion under the surface blasting me with the full force of despair, horror and depression, an unbearable feeling of tension rising, rising but never resolving... And it was all, absolutely and totally, real.

Citrus does potentiate it, and maybe it even influences the trip itself. Like you, I was feeling the first effects within ten minutes. All visuals ceased when things started to go crazy, and this was what later convinced me that I was no longer tripping, but insane in a mental ward. If nothing else, experiences like that teach you respect, respect, respect.

Crazy shit, and like you said, teaches you respect respect respect !

 

[webbykevin]

However, that is incorrect - unless you want to make up your own definition.

But if you look at where the Word "God" came from - then you'll start seeing who God really is.

For instance, in the Vedas there is a God who is called "the God of gods" and "the Creator of the gods". That God, ("the Father" in Christianity), was called "Soma".

It is still recognized in the Hindu religion today that Soma was a Plant - although the identity of which plant was lost. (In Christianity, even the knowledge that the "Father" was a plant was lost -- wheat wafers? -- wine?!!)

There is debate about which plant Soma was. Some people think Psilocybin. Others think Amanita Muscaria.....etc. (I believe that Soma is/was/will be all Psychedelics)

Soma is the God - not us. God is perfect - we are imperfect.

God is not lonely.

"This is what we have heard from him, and the message that we are announcing to you: God is light; there is no darkness in (Them) at all." -- 1John, 1,5

Bullshit, you can't just pull random quotes from an old hebrew text translated badly into english by controlling priests with their own agenda and carry on like it's the absolute truth, you know jack shit about reality, no one really does, it's all just conjecture.

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

You never hear THAT preached from the pulpit !

 

[Flickering]

However, that is incorrect - unless you want to make up your own definition.

Hey wait a second, time out. Are you trying to tell me that the revelation I had while delirious on a strong dose on psilocybin mushrooms about being the creator of the universe... was wrong?

I dunno man, that seems a bit out there.

 

[webbykevin]

Hey wait a second, time out. Are you trying to tell me that the revelation I had while delirious on a strong dose on psilocybin mushrooms about being the creator of the universe... was wrong?

I dunno man, that seems a bit out there.

Touche - lol.

 

[Tryptamino]

this totally sounds like my experience. i took a half eighth eventually and worked my way up from there.

 

[abore]

Yeah I had the exact same bad trip that you had on mushrooms, going to the void and seeing how everything was imaginary and you've done it all before, this website really helped with my experience and helped turn it in to a positive one http://www.wedietorememberwhatwelivetoforget.com/files/We_Die_to_Remember_What_We_Live_to_Forget.pdf

Just finished reading this. Thanks. The last time I took 4-aco-dmt I had a terrible trip. I spent a lot of it really upset, scrubbing my bathroom drain, and constantly announcing that "I fucking hate infinity." I was destined to live this same life, over and over, for the rest of eternity. Really pissed me off and made me sad.

Maybe it's biological, like a result of the manner that DMT functions on the brain. Maybe it causes experiences, like the feeling of repetition and significance, that lend themselves to the conclusion that we'll live this life over and over forever. Hopefully anyway. Ideally it's more complex than that. I've come to other conclusions about how everything works from other trips, so I can't say I've particularly bought into this one as the end-all be all.

 

[somaeye]

Hey wait a second, time out. Are you trying to tell me that the revelation I had while delirious on a strong dose on psilocybin mushrooms about being the creator of the universe... was wrong?

Part of it was true. Part of it was false and was coming from the teachings of the world religions, that you believed.

I am writing to you about those who would deceive you
but the Oil you received from him remains within you
and you really need no teaching from anyone;
simply remain in him,
for his Oil teaches you about everything
and is true
and is no lie.
Remain in him
as his Oil has taught you to do.
--1 St. John 1,26

 

[TangerinO]

I remember the night I had my first really bad trip on LSD. Not an hour before it happened I remember saying exactly that "I don't see how this could ever be a bad experience"

hahahaha the words are amusing now.

But yeah they're different drugs, totally different feels, different duration. I find mushrooms to be far more strange, archetypal and ancient feeling.

LSD is almost like the very first successful mix of nature and science, the very same that some of us would be familiar with from our DMT experiences. It's a half organic-half created beautiful accident. A modern psychedelic signifying progess and spirituality in the modern world.

Both are amazing, I look forward to long life of experimentation with these compounds.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

OP, I'd heed the advice already given and start low. Maybe the reason for previous bad experiences were just part of a transient psychological state, maybe the issues are more deep-seated, or maybe you just react poorly to mushrooms due to your particular biological makeup.

Getting more comfortable and familiar with them at more mild and manageable levels may be a good start, don't be afraid to have purely recreational experiences, and accept whatever trip you get.

Bullshit, you can't just pull random quotes from an old hebrew text translated badly into english by controlling priests with their own agenda and carry on like it's the absolute truth

As a New Testament work, the First Epistle of John was originally in Greek. Secondly, a literalist approach to this text is bonkers. Instead of taking something as obscure as John's correspondence to find contradictions, just look at the beginning and endings of the Gospels. They don't agree as to why Mary and Joseph were in Bethlehem, or what they did after. They don't agree on what day Jesus died, who was in attendance, and who saw him Risen/in what order, etc. etc. They weren't eyewitness accounts, and were written after the stories had been passed around for decades. For the old testament, Judaism has a great intellectual history, and there's plenty of philosophers you can explore about what's exactly up with the texts.

And you could have criticized the dude's conflating the myriad schools of Hindu thought into so simple, and monolithic an explanation. Treating clergymen as a cynical cabal bent on manipulation in an attempt to delegitimize a major spiritual text is just as off-kilter an argument as the one you're countering. It'd be better to go with a more sleek and targeted critique I mean, such a tangential and broad stroke as this can't help but set up an untenable position.

 

[Sn0wday]

I know exactly what you mean. It's horrible. Funnily enough, it didn't start to actually get bad until I began to remember things. Then I realised what a terrible state of mind I was in, and it all went to shit. First I thought I was God. I was God and my entire life had been my imagination, I'd created it to deal with the incredible loneliness of being the only living thing in all space and time. None of my friends or family had ever been real. I'd created this life to make myself forget the unbearable isolation. But now I remembered, and the illusion was torn away from me mercilessly - total solipsism.

Then I thought, if I'm God, then I choose to exit this human life. I was at such a bad place in my life then that I didn't care anyway, I just wanted to leave it and I eagerly awaited going on to something new. But the human program wouldn't end. I was trapped there in that room.

Then I realised I would be trapped there forever. I got down on my knees and started pleading with God - myself - to forgive my sins and to let me out. Nothing changed and there was no escape. I couldn't forgive myself.

And that was just the first hour. It kept going on and on, glossolalia and a bizarre kind of nausea and constant discontinuity of time / amnesia, thought loops like the one you described (No I'm God and I'm leaving this illusion - no I took magic mushrooms and they killed me - no I'm God and I'm leaving this illusion - no I took magic mushrooms), absolute decoherence, schizophrenic certainty that nothing I saw really existed, every negative emotion under the surface blasting me with the full force of despair, horror and depression, an unbearable feeling of tension rising, rising but never resolving... And it was all, absolutely and totally, real.

Citrus does potentiate it, and maybe it even influences the trip itself. Like you, I was feeling the first effects within ten minutes. All visuals ceased when things started to go crazy, and this was what later convinced me that I was no longer tripping, but insane in a mental ward. If nothing else, experiences like that teach you respect, respect, respect.

I'm pretty sure, we had the same damn trip. Either that or that kind of trainwreck-ego-death-insanity-bad-trip is common when things go that badly in your mind.

Here's the other thing though, you ever hear someone say "what you don't know can't hurt you", or something along the lines of that? I feel like that's sort of true.

When I had my GOOD trip on mushrooms, i had no IDEA what a "bad trip" was. But before my second time, I read all about it, like the stereotypical bad trip, and I feel like my knowledge of that led to it. And all my friends who have had great trips, know little to nothing about "bad-trips" or the negative side, so they go into with an awesome muindset knowing it'll be awesome, it's only a drug, and they're gonna have fun. My mind set is different, more so in that it's a mind-opening and therapeutic experience, but it's virtually impossible to eat some shrooms, and not have some trace of anxiety about it because of what happened before. No way to get that "ever heard of bad trips? yeah they're shitty, and they do happen" out of the back of my mind.

That's why LSd might have went well, I read so much about how it's so much more under control and positive (usually) than shrooms, and that knowledge gave me such a positive excitement throughout the trip. But how can I emulate that to mushrooms? After that awful trip I had a hard time falling asleep in that same bed for nearly 6 months.

 

[Flickering]

Being anxious about what might happen can definitely start you down a slippery road on any trip. However, I'd have to think it would be even worse if you didn't know there was such thing as a bad trip, and it happened anyway. You'd be convinced you were dying, or that your brain was melting in reaction to the substance. At least when things turn sideways on a trip, I can think, "It's all in my head, and I can just as easily turn this into something positive."

Most trips start off with anxiety for me. Probably just because the sudden shift in reality takes some getting used to, but possibly also because of that bad mushroom trip (and it was my first true psychedelic experience, no less, AND it was directly after a bad trip on DXM). Whenever I take something new, or a dose I've never taken before, it's particularly nerve-racking because... you just never know what's going to happen. However, after the first hour or two, I always settle down with the pleasant realisation that I am, in fact, completely in control.

Last time I took LSD, the trip was abruptly interrupted an hour in with a bizarre, horrible feeling in my right eye, so disgusting it was basically painful. If it had been my first time taking it, I might have completely freaked out - it wasn't what you'd call a light dose, either, and the come-up was quite shaky. But I rode through it and had one of the best, most cathartic and most revelatory nights of my life, which has steered me in a totally unexpected direction in the time since. It just takes practice, experience and patience. Start low and gradually work your way up, and you'll be fine.

(Says the guy who plans to take 3.5g of mushrooms next weekend and blindfold himself, when he's only taken them three times before and the first time was the worst night of his life.)

 

[webbykevin]

And you could have criticized the dude's conflating the myriad schools of Hindu thought into so simple, and monolithic an explanation. Treating clergymen as a cynical cabal bent on manipulation in an attempt to delegitimize a major spiritual text is just as off-kilter an argument as the one you're countering. It'd be better to go with a more sleek and targeted critique I mean, such a tangential and broad stroke as this can't help but set up an untenable position.

I could of, but I didn't, thanks for the more intellectual approach, It just really gets my back up when people start spouting of religious theories as if its the total unquestionable truth when it's really just a rap, someone elses rap, not even a well thought out and coherent rap, and they have just bought it, I feel that there is no place for that kind of mumbo jumbo guilt trip judgmental clap trap in a forum like PD where people are pushing their own metaphysics to the edges and having the expences for real, not just re spouting some tired old dogma.

So I was just illustrating (or trying to) that you can always find a totally opposing and contradictory quote somewhere in the bible whenever someone starts spouting/preaching that bullshit.

But I take your points and agree with you, I will try to be less reactive and more articulate if I comment on religious trolls again.

cheers, thanks for modding PD too, you guys are legends.

 

[Sn0wday]

OP, I'd heed the advice already given and start low. Maybe the reason for previous bad experiences were just part of a transient psychological state, maybe the issues are more deep-seated, or maybe you just react poorly to mushrooms due to your particular biological makeup.

Getting more comfortable and familiar with them at more mild and manageable levels may be a good start, don't be afraid to have purely recreational experiences, and accept whatever trip you get.

Definitely going to start with no more than 1/16th.

Being anxious about what might happen can definitely start you down a slippery road on any trip. However, I'd have to think it would be even worse if you didn't know there was such thing as a bad trip, and it happened anyway. You'd be convinced you were dying, or that your brain was melting in reaction to the substance. At least when things turn sideways on a trip, I can think, "It's all in my head, and I can just as easily turn this into something positive."

Most trips start off with anxiety for me. Probably just because the sudden shift in reality takes some getting used to, but possibly also because of that bad mushroom trip (and it was my first true psychedelic experience, no less, AND it was directly after a bad trip on DXM). Whenever I take something new, or a dose I've never taken before, it's particularly nerve-racking because... you just never know what's going to happen. However, after the first hour or two, I always settle down with the pleasant realisation that I am, in fact, completely in control.

Last time I took LSD, the trip was abruptly interrupted an hour in with a bizarre, horrible feeling in my right eye, so disgusting it was basically painful. If it had been my first time taking it, I might have completely freaked out - it wasn't what you'd call a light dose, either, and the come-up was quite shaky. But I rode through it and had one of the best, most cathartic and most revelatory nights of my life, which has steered me in a totally unexpected direction in the time since. It just takes practice, experience and patience. Start low and gradually work your way up, and you'll be fine.

(Says the guy who plans to take 3.5g of mushrooms next weekend and blindfold himself, when he's only taken them three times before and the first time was the worst night of his life.)

I remember the second bad trip I had, I attempted to use the positive thinking, but I was just simply overpowered by the trip. Trying to think positive, as I rode a city bus (or, from my perspective, a cackling roller coaster into purgatory), become almost paradoxical, like positive thinking was neither negative nor positive, but became negative, loops, loops, loops, more mindfuck, what is positive? etc. etc. etc. It's like telling someone "don't think about an elephant", they're going to instantly imagine and elephant subconsciously.

And yes, a city bus and being downtown was awful, that will never again happen. I was just with two friends who really didn't get what kind of state I was in and said we should go to the beach, I didn't have much say.

One last thing; I have access to both cubensis and cyanescens. All three of my mushrooms trips have been with Cubensis, and a root of my bad trips are this ticking effects I get, where fractals of horrifying hallucinations begin to tick towards me and grow in a ticking fashion. The ticking is ear-splitting to me, and only happens when things start to go bad.

Two people i know described the very same thing. But both said this does not occur when they ate cyanescens. Many of my friends have said they had much better experiences with cyanescens than cubensis. But what I read and hear from others is that cubensis are simply weaker and cyanescens are "the real deal".

Is there any truth to this?

Also, can someone maybe describe how an LSD trip could go bad? I first tried Morning glory seeds, extracted and it was the same nirvana-like heaven that couldn't go bad. And my LSD trip was simply that exponentially increased, I was ina heaven of rainbows and crystals, trees blossoming and energy bursting from every corner. And it's just the nature of the visuals, to be soft and rainbow-like and happy. While on the other hand mushrooms seems to be more freakish and dark, simply lending themselves to be more frightening. Peoples faces are scary to begin with on mushrooms, I can never look anyone in the face. While on LSD, every human being was beautiful, everyone's face was flawless.