Warning about un-ID'd dissociative experience; This drug could be bad; I need insight

[Kamuix]

I think youve got it alittle confused. My life is finally getting normal, my thought patterns and better my empathy is coming back good i'm much happier and things are just better, that and while I was going through this I was taking a lot of Kratom and Phenibut and other stuff to deal with it because when I wasn't on anything the dirty dissociation felt so annoying and was so depressing so I was taking other things to deal with it, which actually helped me get through it alittle. I can still feel it, but another week or so I should be next to baseline(hopefully).

For some reason this substance sits in my bloodstream and leaves very very slowely, why this happens with me and not most others is a mystery to me, this is deffinately a dirty drug though and should be taken with caution, dirtier than DXM i've gone through over 150 grams of DXM over 4 years and it's been quite good to me for the most part, unless I do something stupid. One other who used my 3-meo substance reported dirty effects like shakes the next day, although that person did alot over one night. Alot of people never had problems at all though...

I feel I know a lot about psychology and i'm not a person who would turn around and blame a substance for doing something to me, it's a dangerous psychological move because when you do that you're not only blaming a substance, you're taking the blame off of yourself which is a dangerous way to deal with any problem and.. this society is conditioned to do that with drugs due to the drug propaganda machine.

Again thanks everyone for making me feel better and assuring me that i'd probably be ok and being positive with me, Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[thadocta13]

to answer your question, I did do DXM again after this terrible experience, and with positive results. Although my DXM tolerance will never be the same. I could go a decade without it and take 700mg and feel just fine. DXM is a drug in which i have been the most addicted to. I have done tons of drugs, but for some odd reason DXM was always in the back of my mind. I could never stay away from it. When i was 15 and at my peak of DXM use, i would do everything in my power to get a bottle of cough syrup. The reason being, i was on probation, and my foster parents literally turned the house into a prison to keep me from sneaking out at night or running away. to the point where my room had bars around it. NO JOKE. if you think i am lying, i will take a picture as the bars still remain around the window. since i had no freedom, i couldnt do the drugs i normally would do, so i turned to cough syrup as it was a tad bit easier to obtain although i had to create elaborate plans to make my way to a store.

Looking back on everything, i am amazed at the lengths i would go to get some sort of high and going grocery shopping with my foster mom was one of my biggest temptations at the time. I would never leave a store without a couple robitussin bottles tucked in my waistband being held by my belt. sad days.... On a good note I have no desire to touch the stuff after my reality-dissolving sigma trip that had me truly BELIEVE i was dead. No other experience has left me feeling more cold and dead than my sigma experience.

sorry for the ramble i have a bad habit of doing it.

 

[Solipsis]

These dissociatives tend to keep hanging around for a long long while if you overdo it, I'm not what part of it is protein-binding, active metabolites or something else... (I expect the N-dealkylated form of the drug roams around like norketamine does and even though it is unclear what this exact compound was, the options mentioned have less of an easy way to be excreted in the case of 3-MeO-PCE from the absence of the cyclohexane ketone. If it is MXE even then it takes longer than for ketamine, at least that is what I logically infer).

You already see the haze dropping I gather, well just trust that it will go away over time. Of course if neurological symptoms are recurrent and serious you'd need to see someone, but it doesn't sound like you have a psych episode and changed personality issues or something of the sort. Just used way way too much.

The stink may be metabolites or the drug itself sweated out, maybe excessively due to superhigh plasma levels that are normally not reached. I have found smelly metabolites in my perspiration as well with some compounds, mostly stimulants. Maybe some reaction took place between these compounds and bacteria on the skin and nasty potent odorous chemicals were produced.

I think the major reason for me to post (a lot of other things have already been contributed) is to advise not to drink so much water but drink water mixed with electrolytes instead. You can order something like a dextrojuice product or sports drink powder that is supposed to be mixed with water to yield something very similar to sports drinks. Those are isotonic, which means you are not washing salts out of your system and neither are there too many salts that effectively dehydrate you either. Keep it realistic and mind your kidneys, but yes flushing your system is a good idea. Still, there is a ceiling: you can only excrete so much in a given time.

The thread title bothers me: the warning should be about what can happen if you do something irresponsible like you did, not about dangerous properties of a known and ID'ed compound.

You say the dosage lined up with 3-MeO-PCE, isn't that compound terribly potent like in the single digit milligrams for full blown immersive experiences? I think if you did grams of that there is almost no way of avoiding much more dangerous and severe episodes than you describe.
I'm tempted to think MXE as well and don't see why it wouldn't be - but this is not a place to ID the stuff.

I'll keep the title format so you should still recognize it (the latter portion of it).

 

[Kamuix]

It's officially been just over 4 weeks since my last dose, 29 days, and I can still feel it but this weekend i felt more myself than ever before, it's been wearing down very gradually and hopefully will completely dissapear within a few weeks, but atleast i'm past the worst of it i feel i'm getting closer to baseline.

after about a week of not taking the stuff, it turned from a somwhat pleasant effect into a hangover dissociation feel and all I wanted to do was sleep of course I had to go to work and do things so I ended up taking a lot of other substances to deal with it because I couldnt stand not being on anything it was depressing having to think that I might feel like this forever so I took kratom and phenibut and a few other odd things that ended up helping me a lot.

The WEIRD thing was(not sure if its a good idea to say this) but I had many many friends try my unknown-ID substance(I know of 20 people) brother, many many friends, and everyone who tried it loved it and didn't complain about a thing and didn't report long lasting effects, I asked as many of them as i could, some reported it dragged abit into the next day but that was it, and two of my friends had gone through over 1 gram and the one of those two did over 2 grams to date and he reported one night going through almost 300mgs in one night, the way he was using it reminded me of me and I felt bad and was worried but he didn't have any long lasting effects, again just some effects into the next day and a hangover and he said he was alittle shakey the next day and I lectured him to space his usage apart because i don't fully trust the substance but still he didn't experiance what I didn't go through much more than he did. And ive gone through a lot of DXM, a fair bit of memantine and methoxetamine and tried 4-meo-pcp and never had problems like this with a dissociative.

Wish me luck, it's gotten down so much though that it's not a dirty feeling anymore it's just a mild sway when move my head around and quite mild dissociation.

Worst time for this to have happened too because it was in May where the weathers reaching it's peak and it was just getting nice out, I lost several weeks, if this had happened in the winter I woudn't of been nearly as depressing.

 

[Kamuix]

Update: It's now been 5 weeks and it's next to not noticeable, it's deffinately almost gone, other then that, here's some news regarding me getting a sample of MXE from a different supplier but same Country:

I received a sample of what is assured to me to be MXE, when i opened the bag I immediately thought I was shipped what I was shipped last time, because the smell was the exact same and strong, smelt exactly like the last unknown-IDd(could be 3-meo-pce, closes thing i could match it up to) sooo..

Right away after smelling it I was like there's no way i'm doing this without getting someone else to test it first in fear of doing you know what over again.
However days went by, i was finally like whatever i'll take the chance and test it because I figured if it happens to be the same dirty stuff i wouldnt be touching it again, it's not like i'm going to dose like a retard like I did last time. That and the powder did look quite abit different.

Effects I had: When it first came on, i thought it was MXE because it had a stronger MXE dopamine/stimulant effect, but as I did more I slowely noticed that 'dirtyness' experianced before with the crappy stuff, but it was abit cleaner, honestly it felt like a mixture of the two.

Anyway, euphoria for the first 30mins but after I stopped doing more as the experiance went on I stressed with anxieties and worries that this was going to rot in my system, but by that night(6 hours later) I felt completely normal, if not almost, and have not yet noticed long lasting effects from this, ive only done it twice sofar.

based on my personal experiance with 3 separate powders:

Substance A(Real MXE) = MXE I used to receive from the UK:

Color = White
Appearance = White, powder but not super fine powder. Honeslty I can't remember wether or not this was slightly crystally or not
Effects = Clean dissociation with quite a strong speedy dopamine effects. No sigma activity(I can tell when a dissociative has strong Sigma activity)
Duration = Full effects groughly 2 hours, taking another between 2 and 4 hours to hit baseline, hard to say it dragged on alittle, but not too long.

Substance B = unknown-IDd that was supposed to be MXE(very likely to have been 3-meo-pce):

Color = Yellowish 4-meo-pcp like Tint
Appearance = Fine powder, strong 4-meo-pcp like odor, not crystally
Effects = Dirty dissociation, strong SIGMA activity, weak dopamine reupdate inhibitor compared to MXE.
Duration = Full effects: 1 hour, then a very very slow comedown, like after about an hour youll notice youve come down abit, but after the initial hour it took up to 3 or 4 more hours before you were really starting to sober up, effects for everyone I got to try it(beleive it or not up to if not over 20 people(friends, brother, neighbor etc.) they noticed effects were gone by the next morning, a few noticed mild effects lingering into the next day.(of course i was a different story, but let's not get into that again...HAHAHA.. not so funny)


Substance C = Recently baught substance supposed to be MXE:

Color = White, just as white as real mxe.
Appearance = White, fine powder but when looking close and feeling the bag it has some slightly less powdery powder(tiny chunks?)
Effects = Honestly, it felt like a mixture of Substance A and B, as i described above.
Duration= 1 hour, with a roughly 4 hour gradual comedown?

 

[MyExcuse]

So it's all MXE and small differences in quality, personal biology and tolerance have led you to believe that each one is distinct and different.

Remember, it's like food, if you have a bias before using it the subjective experience is going to change. You had a bad experience with batch B, and batch C smells like batch B, so your brain automatically imparts aspects of experience with B onto experiences with C.

No need to bump this thread anymore, just re-read my post each time you get a new batch.

 

[Stretch]

I have had 4 different batches of mxe with varying results from each batch. The best, cleanest and most potent had a pretty strong odor while the rest had almost none. It took me a while to find a source for mxe that was as good as and even better then my first batch from the UK. I hinged on 1.5g over 2 weeks or so (4 days of.it at a festival with Lot of re dosing) but felt back to normal within few days. Most of this was iv use as well.

 

[Kamuix]

So it's all MXE and small differences in quality, personal biology and tolerance have led you to believe that each one is distinct and different.

Remember, it's like food, if you have a bias before using it the subjective experience is going to change. You had a bad experience with batch B, and batch C smells like batch B, so your brain automatically imparts aspects of experience with B onto experiences with C.

No need to bump this thread anymore, just re-read my post each time you get a new batch.

I had two batches from two different UK sources and the effects of those were the same

If what you're saying is that the effects from the Legit MXE i bought from the UK are the same as the MXE i've been receiving lately and that i've just been perceiving it differently or that it's a tolerance issue than no that's impossible, whatever is wrong with the latest MXE the metabolites are different and the phsychoactive effects are different. A much smaller dopamine re-uptake inhibitor and definate strong SIGMA activity.

based on my personal experiance with 3 separate powders:

Substance A(Real MXE) = MXE I used to receive from the UK:

Color = White
Appearance = White, powder but not super fine powder. Honeslty I can't remember wether or not this was slightly crystally or not
Effects = Clean dissociation with quite a strong speedy dopamine effects. No sigma activity(I can tell when a dissociative has strong Sigma activity)
Duration = Full effects groughly 2 hours, taking another between 2 and 4 hours to hit baseline, hard to say it dragged on alittle, but not too long.

Substance B = unknown-IDd that was supposed to be MXE(very likely to have been 3-meo-pce):

Color = Yellowish 4-meo-pcp like Tint
Appearance = Fine powder, strong 4-meo-pcp like odor, not crystally
Effects = Dirty dissociation, strong SIGMA activity, weak dopamine reupdate inhibitor compared to MXE.
Duration = Full effects: 1 hour, then a very very slow comedown, like after about an hour youll notice youve come down abit, but after the initial hour it took up to 3 or 4 more hours before you were really starting to sober up, effects for everyone I got to try it(beleive it or not up to if not over 20 people(friends, brother, neighbor etc.) they noticed effects were gone by the next morning, a few noticed mild effects lingering into the next day.(of course i was a different story, but let's not get into that again...HAHAHA.. not so funny)


Substance C = Recently baught substance supposed to be MXE:

Color = White, just as white as real mxe.
Appearance = White, fine powder but when looking close and feeling the bag it has some slightly less powdery powder(tiny chunks?)
Effects = Honestly, it felt like a mixture of Substance A and B, as i described above.
Duration= 1 hour, with a roughly 4 hour gradual comedown?

EDIT: Also I'm not saying each batch is completely different, Substance C and B turned out to be mostly the same but Substance C felt alittle more towards the real MXE, but mostly 3-meo-pce.

Also when I was talking about how I was thinking it could be 3-meo-pce amanitadine who replied said that these are two completely different syntheses, I have a question for you, do you actually know this for sure?

Also, other than all the other reasons I feel that the substance was very likely to be 3-meo-pce, look at the chemical structure of 3-meo-pce and compare it to MXE By the way MXEs long name is 3-MeO-2-Oxo-PCE And all the effects/duration/smell/appearance of Substance B and C(more so B) match up with 3-meo-pce.

So is it not possible that poor quality and/or improperly made MXE could be or break down into 3-meo-pce matabolites?

So are you amanitadine really sure that these two substances are two completely different syntheses?

 

[MyExcuse]

I'm just unsure how you're quantitating this. How are you so sure of what receptors are being bound by the substance you are taking, purely subjective experience alone. Why not get professional testing performed?

Personally, having tried 3-MeO-PCP and 4-MeO-PCP, the effects last much longer than what you describe. For 4-MeO-PCP, for example, the effects lasted for a good 4-6 hours and lingered well into the next day. With 3-MeO-PCP, the primary effects were a solid 2 1/2 hour for myself. I also have a very strong natural tolerance to MXE, requiring at least 75-100mg I.M. for decent effects not even close to what is called an M-hole.

The biggest issue here is that both 3-MeO-PCP/PCE have a very low dose requirement (especially for non-tolerant users). 20mg 3-MeO-PCP had me at a comparable level as 100mg of Ketamine or 175mg of MXE.

If you did a dose over 20mg, I'm dubious it's anything but MXE.

 

[Incunabula]

Substance B = unknown-IDd that was supposed to be MXE(very likely to have been 3-meo-pce):

Color = Yellowish 4-meo-pcp like Tint
Appearance = Fine powder, strong 4-meo-pcp like odor, not crystally
Effects = Dirty dissociation, strong SIGMA activity, weak dopamine reupdate inhibitor compared to MXE.
Duration = Full effects: 1 hour, then a very very slow comedown, like after about an hour youll notice youve come down abit, but after the initial hour it took up to 3 or 4 more hours before you were really starting to sober up, effects for everyone I got to try it(beleive it or not up to if not over 20 people(friends, brother, neighbor etc.) they noticed effects were gone by the next morning, a few noticed mild effects lingering into the next day.

Sorry, but it doesn't sound like 3-MeO-PCE at all!
3-MeO-PCE is white, not yellowish, and also, it's odorless.

The dissociation is not dirty, it's much more clean than MXE, imo.

I don't know what you associate with sigma activity? but I can tell you that 3-MeO-PCE is just as euphoric as MXE.

to me 3-MeO-PCE seemed to have much stronger effect as a dopamine reuptake inhibitor than MXE, not the other way around.

Duration of Full effects with 3-MeO-PCE was for me 6-7 hours. what you describe sounds more like insufflated MXE.

What I think could have happened is that your maybe missing some enzymes in your body or something, that made it difficult for you to metabolize what ever shit drug it was your vendor sent you.
What you got could be MXE cut with tiletamine or something like that. But who the hell knows!! There's a lot of shit going around as MXE, but believe me, non of it is 3-MeO-PCE.

Also, other than all the other reasons I feel that the substance was very likely to be 3-meo-pce, look at the chemical structure of 3-meo-pce and compare it to MXE By the way MXEs long name is 3-MeO-2-Oxo-PCE And all the effects/duration/smell/appearance of Substance B and C(more so B) match up with 3-meo-pce.

Yes, the diffirence between MXE and 3-MeO-PCE, is that MXE has a keto group.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketone
And no, B and C doesn't match up.

So is it not possible that poor quality and/or improperly made MXE could be or break down into 3-meo-pce matabolites?

No, it's not possible.

 

[THCified]

How are you OP? Everything fine now?

Btw, as far as i can remember the 3-MeO-PCE i tested was slightly yellowish, but it was surely not white.