MDMA like drugs in PD

[shishigami]

Why are 6-APB, bk-MDMA, and others constantly moved from ED to PD? They're significantly more like MDMA than any psychedelic acting on serotonin.

 

[Shifty38]

Can only comment on 6-APB which has significant psychedelic properties. It belongs in PD. 200mg of 6 and I'm tripping balls. Moreover, the word psychedelic is certainly open to interpretation ... but that's for another day thread.

 

[cannibalsnail]

They should really have forums for Stimulants, Opiates, Sedatives, Hallucinogens, Cannbinoids instead of just lumping them all into PD and OD but giving weed and Ecstacy their own forums.

 

[shishigami]

Can only comment on 6-APB which has significant psychedelic properties. It belongs in PD. 200mg of 6 and I'm tripping balls. Moreover, the word psychedelic is certainly open to interpretation ... but that's for another day thread.

Same with MDA which is ED territory.

 

[Roger&Me]

Why are 6-APB, bk-MDMA, and others constantly moved from ED to PD?

Historical precedent.

Same with MDA which is ED territory.

MDA is a psychedelic, not an entactogen (R isomer is more active, see PIHKAL):

A few experimental trials with the pure optical isomers show a consistency with all the other psychedelic compounds that have been studied in their separated forms, the higher potency with the "R" isomer.

With MDMA, the usual assignments of activity to optical isomers is reversed from all of the known psychedelic drugs. The more potent isomer is the "S" isomer, which is the more potent form of amphetamine and methamphetamine. This was one of the first clear distinctions that was apparent between MDMA and the structurally related psychedelics (where the "R" isomers are the more active).

Also, see this paper by Nichols:

"Differences Between the Mechanism of Action of MDMA, MBDB, and the Classic Hallucinogens. Identification of a New Therapeutic Class: Entactogens", J. Psychoactive Drugs, Vol 18 (4) Oct-Dec. 1986

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

Why are 6-APB, bk-MDMA, and others constantly moved from ED to PD? They're significantly more like MDMA than any psychedelic acting on serotonin.

'cause ED doesn't want them, and PD has been the traditional hub of RC discussion.

 

[snafu]

I get so many threads about drugs that I don't want in my forum. I let MDA threads stay depending on what the question is. But usually I move 6-apb threads over here.

 

[Ismene]

I don't think 6-apb is psychedelic.

 

[Section813]

I agree with the OP. It doesnt seem logical to have entactogen/empathogens in PD. I doubt that the vast majority could tell the difference between mda/mdma or one if their analogs.

 

[Solipsis]

RCs typically don't start off booming, but first people gradually try to find out if something gives proper effects or not and what kind. Right now this is the case for 5-API (5-IT). In PD there seems to be the best support for this experimental approach which is why we host it. I don't mean to bash the other forums but it would not be helpful to have people who are used to taking plenty of E, or smoking weed all day everyday to approach a drug similar to what they are used to as exactly the same. There could be too many uneducated encouragements to just use the fuck out it, basically, until shit hits the fan and everyone is like 'ok wtf happened?'.
The phenomenon is quite visible in the development of the 6-APB threads which got an insane amount of traffic and obviously this traffic could never be accounted for by the regular PD folks alone or even with regular ED regulars combined.
I think the atmosphere of PD and the way exotic drugs with very little history of use are approached, commented on and given advice on is good for harm reduction and more important than what feels logical to BLers in general. A quick search must show that these kinds of new drugs are discussed here and when it's clear... beyond that it becomes a matter of principle and cognitive dissonance which - again - I just don't think are as important as proper handling of these topics.

 

[Folley]

'cause ED doesn't want them, and PD has been the traditional hub of RC discussion.

As the top poster in ED, I will tell you that, yes, in fact we do.


I would love to be able to give the proper harm reduction advice on spacing and dosing to people who are taking serotonin releasing drugs.


Saying MDA and MDMA aren't similar is fucking crazy lol.... same with methylone, which hardly even works on the 5-HTb receptor.. I think that's the one MDA works on at least.



You guys should at the LEAST be sending over MDA and methylone threads though, that's definitely ED territory, not to mention that's what the definition of Ecstasy Discussion is...

MDMA, MDA and closely related drugs

I consider 5/6-APB, methylone and all those other chemicals based on MDxx to be closely related drugs as well.

 

[Solipsis]

Well I can see your point about methylone at least since it's not psychedelic and has a considerably longer history of use than the new RCs. Personally I would tend to passing it on to ED, but before anything like that would happen it has to be debated by crew.

For MDA, do you see it in our Psychedelic Index? Because I don't. And it is psychedelic isn't it? So I would allow a thread explicitly titled "the psychedelic side of MDA" here in PD because we sort of have a right to considering the definition of OUR forum.

Something like butylone is sort of a borderline compound... the crew could discuss it. I think that the criterium should be how long a compound has been widely available on the market. Beyond a certain period of time, ED can have it. If the drug has a shorter period of use I stick to my previous argument that however MDMA-like a compound may be, it should be treated as an RC and PD would remain the place to be for real RCs. By 'real' I mean that the RC is still experimental.

In fact, if a compound has barely escaped the lab yet, I think ADD is a better destination for a thread on it than PD. So my philosophy is that a drug passes through a number of stages, from exotic / theoretically to 'escaping the lab invading many homes' to semi-mainstream. For example calling 2C-B an RC sounds weird to me because it has gone so mainstream, yet some would say it falls in the category.

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