Anyone has experience with GHB?

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GHB supposedly jacks up the growth hormone levels for a few hours. Has anyone taking GHB regularly for this purpose?

GHB actually stimulates pituitary growth hormone (GH) release. One methodologically rigorous Japanese study reported nine-times and sixteen-times increases in growth hormone 30 and 60 minutes respectively after intravenous administration of 2.5 grams of GHB in six healthy men between the ages of twenty-five and forty. GH levels were still seven-times higher at 120 minutes.
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GH obviously doesn't do very much on its own, but I can see this being useful when cutting. Or on a cycle.
 
It can promote deep sleep, relax muscle tissue, and increase protein synthesis.

It can also raise prolactin levels and give you gyno. The short half life also makes it an ineffective method for sleeping.
 
To put my last two cents in this thread as a pretty consistent GHB user, it's best used as a substitute for alcohol.

Not easy to get used to. The steep dosing curve will take some practice to get used to. The relaxing euphoria, obnoxiousness and feeling awake make GHB more of a recreational drug than it is a BB supplement.

GHB causes bradycardia, hypothermia, hypotension, appetite cravings. Generally a pretty strong depressant if you ask me. The dopamine rebound starting at about a 2 1/2 to 3 hour mark turns GHB into a competely different substance. Forcing arousal from sleep, stimulant like effects will be hard to avoid and a temporary inability to go back to sleep.

If I were to rate it in its bodybuilding effects, I would give it about a 5 or a 6/10. I've noticed pretty decent gains while on cycle with it, but there are far too many ways GHB can deter you from your goals.

However for general practicality outside of the gym, I rate it at least an 8 or 9.
 
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cuntball said:
GHB supposedly jacks up the growth hormone levels for a few hours. Has anyone taking GHB regularly for this purpose?



GH obviously doesn't do very much on its own, but I can see this being useful when cutting. Or on a cycle.
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I thought the raised levels of prolactin negate the effect of GH release.. I don't think recreational drugs better used in clubs have a place in Body-building....
 
Believe it or no professional bodybuilding at the top level and even lower levels is riddled with drug use, mainly opiates and benzos. Opiates for joint pain and injection pain, and benzos to negate the negative effects of Clenbuterol, Trenbolone, insomnia, and mood swings...

Recreational drugs have no place in bodybuilding, they lead to complications like addiction and can reverse all the work you out into your physique.

GHB is not going to raise you growth hormone levels anything substantial to lead to muscle growth and fat loss.

If you want to raise your growth hormone levels look into HGH itself, GHRP-6, Imaporelin, and a few other peptides.
 
Renz Envy said:
The dopamine rebound starting at about a 2 1/2 to 3 hour mark turns GHB into a competely different substance. Forcing arousal from sleep, stimulant like effects will be hard to avoid and a temporary inability to go back to sleep.
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Weren't there a couple of new(er) articles which stated that the "waking up" from GHB wearing off had nothing to do with dopamine in any way?
Besides, if one uses GHB and falls asleep the "waking up" after 2-3 hours occurs.
If one uses it and goes to sleep when the effects are largely faded already, then there is no problem with sleep, which indicates that it is a more detailed brain chemistry "problem" then just some dopamine being released.

One more question i want to ask, what is the average time before most people get physical addiction problems with GHB?
Lets say i have 250 ML GHB and i use like 5-10 ML every day for a month and i quit for a week there are no withdrawal feelings eminent, so how much/long does it take for most people to get addicted?
Searched the intern et but it's very hard to find good info on this matter.

Most sites just say "it's bad" or "worse withdrawal compared to heroin" etc. but didnt find any good (medical) article on the subject so far.
I used alot of diff. substances but the only one which ever gave me addictive and other problems was alcohol. when i use GHB there are no cravings for alcohol and while i enjoy GHB i'm affraid of what can happen if i would use this more often, so far it only did good things for me.
Just want to be safe.
 
ChrisHolland said:
Weren't there a couple of new(er) articles which stated that the "waking up" from GHB wearing off had nothing to do with dopamine in any way?
Besides, if one uses GHB and falls asleep the "waking up" after 2-3 hours occurs.
If one uses it and goes to sleep when the effects are largely faded already, then there is no problem with sleep, which indicates that it is a more detailed brain chemistry "problem" then just some dopamine being released.

One more question i want to ask, what is the average time before most people get physical addiction problems with GHB?
Lets say i have 250 ML GHB and i use like 5-10 ML every day for a month and i quit for a week there are no withdrawal feelings eminent, so how much/long does it take for most people to get addicted?
Searched the intern et but it's very hard to find good info on this matter.

Most sites just say "it's bad" or "worse withdrawal compared to heroin" etc. but didnt find any good (medical) article on the subject so far.
I used alot of diff. substances but the only one which ever gave me addictive and other problems was alcohol. when i use GHB there are no cravings for alcohol and while i enjoy GHB i'm affraid of what can happen if i would use this more often, so far it only did good things for me.
Just want to be safe.
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GHB works differently at different doses.... At about 1.5g it acts as a stimulant on the bodies own GHB receptors, at 3.5g or over it acts upon GABBA(B) receptors which give the effects of a CNS depressant, hence you fall asleep and stay asleep until levels reduce to about 1.5g, again when it acts as a stimulant (on GHB receptors) hence you bounce awake...
Regards dependence, its person dependant like everything, but my advise would be take it in clubs at weekends only, don't take every day if you do you may get serious addiction issues...
I used it socially (more than I should have) up until I emigrated in 2008.... There is no GHB (that I know of) in New Zealand, but I still crave it in 2012.....

my 2c..........
 
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I used to use ghb very frequently sometimes everyday for a number of days over about a 2 year period and never had any problem with physical withdrawal. However pscyhological is a different story. There are alot of people on erowid.org who have posted about their experiences with g and from what I've read it is actually quite difficult to become physically addicted. But if you do yes the withdrawals would be harsh. I read one experience where someone used it everyday for like 6months to a year then suddenly stopped and did not get any physical withdrawals at all. But at the end of the day its up to you what you do with it.
 
Thanks for the replies, but like HSRaver said, i don't find alot people who actually had physical WD except for the people who abused it almost to the max.
I know i'll never use it to get to sleep again if i wake up in the middle of the night, knowing that i will end up in some kind of vicious circle.
The craving for the stuff for myself is kinda annoying indeed, but i didnt use any substance for over a month and being sober all the time aint much fun either :P
 
Genetic Freak said:
GHB works differently as different doses.... At about 1.5g it acts as a stimulant on the bodies own GHB receptors, at 3.5g or over it acts upon GABBA(B) receptors which give the effects of a CNS depressant, hence you fall asleep and stay asleep until levels reduce to about 1.5g, again when it acts as a stimulant (on GHB receptors) hence you bounce awake...
Regards dependence, its person dependant like everything, but my advise would be take it in clubs at weekends only, don't take every day if you do you may get serious addiction issues...
I used it socially (more than I should have) up until I emigrated in 2008.... There is no GHB (that I know of) in New Zealand, but I still crave it in 2012.....

my 2c..........
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Good 2cents there and spot on.

GHB is both a stimulant and a depressant, but it has varying doses.

The reason you wake up, is because your body metabolizes it over a 3-6 hour period and once a low dose is in your blood stream, it's primarily a stimulant, thus you will wake up; wide awake.

Like he said, it's best saved for the weekends. I really don't know that many people who could ever use it in moderation. It has similar addicting effects as nicotine, benzos, alcohol and amphetamines (effects acetocolyne, GABA-b agonist and a dopamine releaser. (Liquid ecstasy)

Unlike benzos it actually causes a more direct pulse of dopamine reuptake.

The real demon about it is that it's half life is 30-50 minutes long. Making it easily one of the top 5 most addictive drugs possible. Imagine if the redosing effects of cocaine, the feeling of ecstacy, the relaxation of opiates and the libido and looseness of alcohol were put in one substance...

I think everyone should at least try it. It's an amazing experience and I value it over ecstasy for sex and just chilling with friends. It is a recreational drug, hardly a body building supplement ( due to its impossibly high addictive potential and psychoactivity), which is why you will not find it on must AAS oriented websites.

If you want to actually bodybuild and not chase a high/ruin your life, use GHRP/hexarelin with CJC 1295 alongside your AAS of choice. If you're over 25 or 30, or serious about competing in a heavy division, use HGH.

Thanks for reading,
Renz Envy
 
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Renz Envy said:
Good 2cents there and spot on.

GHB is both a stimulant and a depressant, but it has varying doses.

The reason you wake up, is because your body metabolizes it over a 3-6 hour period and once a low dose is in your blood stream, it's primarily a stimulant, thus you will wake up; wide awake.

Like he said, it's best saved for the weekends. I really don't know that many people who could ever use it in moderation. It has similar addicting effects as nicotine, benzos, alcohol and amphetamines (effects acetocolyne, GABA-b agonist and a dopamine releaser. (Liquid ecstasy)

Unlike benzos it actually causes a more direct pulse of dopamine reuptake.

The real demon about it is that it's half life is 30-50 minutes long. Making it easily one of the top 5 most addictive drugs possible. Imagine if the redosing effects of cocaine, the feeling of ecstacy, the relaxation of opiates and the libido and looseness of alcohol were put in one substance...

I think everyone should at least try it. It's an amazing experience and I value it over ecstasy for sex and just chilling with friends. It is a recreational drug, hardly a body building supplement ( due to its impossibly high addictive potential and psychoactivity), which is why you will not find it on must AAS oriented websites.

If you want to actually bodybuild and not chase a high/ruin your life, use GHRP/hexarelin with CJC 1295 alongside your AAS of choice. If you're over 25 or 30, or serious about competing in a heavy division, use HGH.

Thanks for reading,
Renz Envy
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I didn't even realize that GHB is both a stimulant and a depressant.
And your characterization/description here: Imagine if the redosing effects of cocaine, the feeling of ecstacy, the relaxation of opiates and the libido and looseness of alcohol were put in one substance...

really explains why it is sooo addictive.

There is a current thread (possibly 2) in the 'other drugs' forum about GHB to which I have responded, I think it's asking about is it really very addictive or something like that. My experience, what I wrote there, was that I became addicted within like 2 weeks and the killer is how effective it is at putting one to sleep combined like you said with it's very short half-life. Once a regular user I would be waking up every 2-3 hours and NEEDING to re-dose in order to get back to sleep. And when my supply ran out it was impossible for me to sleep.

So I went from being able to sleep so-so prior to GHB, to being able to get fantastic naps on GHB, to being able to get excellent deep sleep (at least this was my feeling and belief at the time) to requiring it in order to sleep at all.

My best experience with it was when I would use just enough to get stimulated and horny and have sex under the influence on it. BUT, I have an addictive personality and a tendency to be drawn to depressants. Dosing it by using the cap of a bottle is tricky because the dose that will get you intoxicated and feeling good and horny is very close to the dose that will put you to sleep.

On one occasion I dosed GHB and was geting ready to have sex with my wife. I was feeling great and stimulated and horny and buzzed. But given my personality I decided to use 'just a little bit more' right before my wife came into the bedroom to have sex (keep in mind she did not know I was using GHB, is strongly against ALL drugs including steroids and mj). We started to have sex and while I was on top of her at one point I remember her shaking me and saying "your snoring" and I started pumping again saying "No, I'm having sex with you". Then I remember another point where she was complaining "your snoring, your sleeping, get off of me!" while being woken again and feeling the joy of sex on GHB was reluctant to stop.

At one point afterwards I laughed about it telling someone on the internet, but can you immagine the experience of a wife or girlfriend whose husband/boyfriend falls asleep on top of her just PART of the way through sex? some women get upset if a guy goes to sleep on them AFTER sex. But DURING sex? I'm lucky I didn't get cracked over the head with something lol
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I have personal experience with experimenting with GHB for its GH release. I would like to quote a post I made about this in another thread ;

"GHB's release of growth hormone is neglectable because of the prolactin increase is causes at the same time. You could get effect from the growth hormone by combining GHB with a prolactin blocker like bromocriptine during your cycle. If you have not abused GHB before, and keep the doses low, and are able to time the intervals between dosing and breaks to let Ur receptors rest timed correctly you should be able to run a moderate cycle without facing withdrawal. (Personal experience using GHB like this ) This is some pretty advanced shit though, and for beginners there are far easier ways to achieve what u want."

And please note; Using GHB this way takes a dedicated, non addictive-personality. If that does not sound like you, dont even think about trying.
 
well i used GHB/BDO for years...this past year and a half i used Bdo(which is basically identical to ghb) every day...i would use it once a day, sometimes on the weekends i would use it again at night..i never had withdrawals and i would go as far to say i didnt have mental addiction either..i DID look forward to taking it every day as its a wonderful feeling...its so much better than alcohol or stims...Ghb gave me tons of energy, made me more social and horny as hell....just a very energetic feeeling with NO jittery crap like stims...u feel so empathetic towards others etc etc...i wish everyone could take it to enjoy its effects..

no one i knew or have known has taken ghb to elevate GH levels..we all took it as a very nice social high...id estimate i knew about 40 regular users of ghb back in the 90s and only 2 of these guys became addicted so...
 
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