thoughts on the 'indigo' phenomena?

[Swimmingdancer]

It can be disturbing to be born into a normal functional house hold, but have an awareness of the sick thoughts your abusive neighbor has towards children and women, for instance, or watching the 5 o'clock news with your parents at 6-7 y/o understanding war and starvation, medicine and disease, the underlying subliminal themes in media. Or being creative and inventive enough to do things differently yet as or more efficiently, only to be disciplined for being a "rebel" or problem, inattentive and distracted, in a dream world, just staring at the wall most the time...
detached from "reality", yet not at all.

I am not fully understanding. How does this mean someone has to be an indigo?

 

[Swimmingdancer]

I just meant I agreed with the following:

However, we have to add our experience of existence to the list, too. It's through exercising our will that we choose our experiences, and by doing so, can consciously create changes in who we are.

I would think that pure humility would have to the number one characteristic of a more 'evolved' (for lack of a better word) being. The idea that people are born more advanced or special than others is narcissism waiting to happen. I've known many a self-serving fuck-up to turn their lives around and become amazing (some might even say special) people. And conversely, I've seen many special people with everything going for them become monsters.

And I was saying I wasn't sure if people who believe in the indigo thing necessarily believe people labelled as indigo are more advanced etc. I still agree with the statements in general. Does that make sense?

Personally I just don't get the need for a label. Isn't it basically just a list of traits? And like psychiatric "disorders" it is a spectrum.

ETA: also Sirius is not a planet and who said they were Sirius? Do you mean people claimed to be Sirius?

 

[stimutant]

i dont believe in that indigo-stuff. imo thats just one of many ways esoteric guruzs use to rip off people...

 

[sarcophagus.heels]

http://www.indigoenergy.ca/Indigo Children.htm

Seriously, the broadness of the traits listed in here are a shining example of the Forer effect - the trait descriptions are so vague and general that a large number of people will be caught in the net. It's no better than astrology readings and those silly online personality tests. According to the above, I'm an Indigo child too 8)

 

[L2R]

let's move beyond the exploitation of the name, pip would you care to share how this phenomenon has helped you? just be general, no need for personal info here. just enough to make the point.

 

[Deleted member 210577]

Indigo-children is a bunch of new-age hippy non-sense. However, each generation of children born is slightly more aware and "on the ball" than the previous one and we've reached an interesting point in the West where for the first time a generation will have less wealth and opportunity than the previous generation.. and it will be this trend from now on. The important thing to consider is, will this generation and following generations accept the cards they've been handed? I don't think they will. So in a sense the indigo-children thing is right, a generation of children will be breaking down structures in society and forming a radically new direction for us all. I guess :/

 

[L2R]

in short i know i am not the only one who realizes life this way, so i dont have to worry about being myself, because i myself am not worried about what could be wrong with me, for this reason there is no need to hide from myself with drugs or other self numbing, self denial mechanisms available.

also having the information/experiences available to read through, along with how they were handled by folks i personally related to made most the difference.

there is a lot of self-confidence i allowed myself to gain, and i am a pretty silly person who perhaps ignored their childhood, now able to nurture the young fool with in me to reach maybe 99% of my unique full potential.
~

it is a very complex thing....

particularly note 2:40-3:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdXtLigz2pU

 

[muvolution]

The majority of society never accepts the cards they have been dealt.

Even though there is less wealth, there is much more information, which will continue to improve quality of life for everyone. We don't need a "new direction" we need religious and spiritual nut bags to leave us the fuck alone and stop discouraging people from embracing science.

From global warming denial to people who think you can pray away cancer and that crystals have healing power... etc.

I don't deny that giving kids mad amphetamines is a bad thing, but labelling them "indigo" or anything else of the type prevents them from getting real bahivioral and educational help.

 

[pastelcircus]

http://www.indigoenergy.ca/Indigo Children.htm

Seriously, the broadness of the traits listed in here are a shining example of the Forer effect - the trait descriptions are so vague and general that a large number of people will be caught in the net. It's no better than astrology readings and those silly online personality tests. According to the above, I'm an Indigo child too 8)

i too read about the forer affect, after i started the thread : P

also having the information/experiences available to read through, along with how they were handled by folks i personally related to made most their childhood, now able to nurture the young fool with in me to reach maybe 99% of my unique full potential.
~

it is a very complex thing....

complex, but understandable.

 

[L2R]

Can't watch the video atm, SS has got the idea it seems
The indigo part is maybe more of a fashion statement
For the soul..

oh it was that great bit at the start of the pilot episode of the tick

The Tick walks away, picks up a hubcap out of a trash can and puts
his arm around a teenager who's sweeping the floor.

THE TICK
Goodbye, plucky, pimply teen. Think
you're ready now to hear the truth. This
wasn't really a magic hubcap.

He hands the hubcap to the teen.

THE TICK
The magic was inside you all along.

The bus horn sounds.

:D

 

[Roger&Me]

The people I've met who call themselves "indigo" seem like they're just searching for a concept to tie their ego to, and they've chosen an unoriginal "folk spirituality" meme to serve that purpose.

 

[muvolution]

I feel that this by default bypasses there being a behavioral problem, as it has been portrayed as, not individuality and creativeness, a strong inventive nature is seen as a rebellious and challenging to authority.

What harm can extra attention on behavior and education do to kids? None. It doesn't matter if ADHD (or any other drug) is over-diagnosed if the first-line treatment is to improve the general quality of life, and then to focus on non-pharmaceutical interventions in problem areas.

Science was created initially by christians to provide a better understanding of God and make our lives easier and healthier with navigation and medicine, but now religion and science are to most the opposite of each other, and both are being used as individual leverage for a sense of power and profit.

Yes, science was created to discover the "secrets" behind natural phenomena. True christian scientists are not at all opposed to the hard sciences, and you can bet your ass there will be several in Bern when they do the July 4th conference on the Higgs Particle. The Catholic Church maintains a staff of scientists who are part of research projects worldwide, so in that sense, they get a good grade for embracing (most) hard sciences, but few other religious orders and institutions are concerned at all with these matters.

All I can say is that there is a logical flaw in assuming that ANY supernatural spiritual beings exist until there is recorded and peer-reviewed evidence. Everything else that is true follows this law. We we cannot record something, we devise an experiment to do so. I have never seen a credible experiment or study proving the existence of a single super-natural phenomenon, nor a single theoretical experiment design.

 

[P A]

I can't tell whether this is an actual topic or not.

The only 'thought' that this thread has managed to stimulate is this: "I wonder if I could go talk about the superior efficacy of homeopathy in Science in Technology for two pages unchecked"...I mean, at the end of the day, is there really much of a distinction between pseudoscience and pseudophilosophy? The biggest epistemological issue with pseudophenomena like these is their fundamental unfalsifiability. Also, as mentioned upthread, such descriptive categories are so hopelessly broad as to encompass a wide range of personalities. Despite this fact, there must be some singular feature that links the otherwise discordant people who actually believe this stuff - I'd guess that it's some heavily rationalized variant of 'magical thinking' that is especially easy to promulgate on the World Wide Web.

 

[Thou]

delusional nonsense. worth comes through effort, not magical blessings.

A little from column A.

A little from column B.

"Consider the One God Universe: OGU. The spirit recoils in horror from such a deadly impasse. He is all-powerful and all-knowing. Because He can do everything, He can do nothing, since the act of doing demands opposition. He knows everything, so there is nothing for him to learn. He can’t go anywhere, since He is already fucking everywhere, like cowshit in Calcutta. … The OGU is a prerecorded universe in which He is the recorder.’"

 

[L2R]

^point, thou.
*approvingnod.gif*

 

[rachamim]

It is nothing but self-aggrandisement. Instead of wallowing in self pity everytime your lunch money is stolen you can place yourself on an imaginary pedestal and tell yourself that the world just isnt ready for the likes of me. New Age spirituality is atrocious. A bunch of snakeoil salespeople mumbling about auras and crystals and hidden traits. In reality, they manufacture synchrestic bullshi*. Take one cup of Lovecraft, two heaping teaspoons of Castaneda, a sprinkling of Navajo Creation Myth and voila, start printing money.

 

[webbykevin]

"Consider the One God Universe: OGU. The spirit recoils in horror from such a deadly impasse. He is all-powerful and all-knowing. Because He can do everything, He can do nothing, since the act of doing demands opposition. He knows everything, so there is nothing for him to learn. He can’t go anywhere, since He is already fucking everywhere, like cowshit in Calcutta. … The OGU is a prerecorded universe in which He is the recorder.’"

So he manifests as an infinite number of points of consciousness and plays hide and seek with himself for ever and ever, getting so lost in the game that he forgets it's all an illusion and for a time actually believes he is a separate self surrounded by billions, trillions, gazillions of "OTHER" things that are not him, playing the tree game the human game the whale game the sun game the bird game the butterfly game etc etc....

Constantly running up behind himself and shouting BOO !

Because what else is there to do ?

 

[qwe]

^so,

we are simulated entities in "god's" consciousness, where his brain imbued some of its consciousness in some of its programs acting on his digital stage.

likewise we are gods, able to imbue consciousness into simulations we create to emulate the outside world (eg, our mirror neurons emulate social interaction so we can participate in it. what if we simulate two people meeting, and in order for our simulation to be more accurate, extend some of our "center of mind / sensation / feeling etc" into those simulated people?).

turtles up, turtles down, god is us and god is above us. maybe. and in such a case, the word "god" doesn't really apply--multidimensional superentity might be better.

 

[P A]

Constantly running up behind himself and shouting BOO !

Except if he happens to be a gazelle and the animal behind him (who is also himself) is a tiger, in which case God will soon be literally eating himself alive. How utterly fucking disgusting. The OGU god is the ultimate masochist.

Booooooooooooooooooo indeed.

 

[P A]

"Inspect every piece of pseudoscience and you will find a security blanket, a thumb to suck, a skirt to hold."

-Isaac Asimov