Synthetic Mescaline

[Cz_x]

Manage to acquire a a gram of synthetic mescaline, I will be dosing at a festival and I'm pretty inexperienced with psy's but to my knowledge mescaline is amazing with little `freak out` potential. I'm planning on dosing arround 350mg. Now, I know bluelight isn't here to help me get high but I was wondering when I should dose. I'm going to be at a festival and I'm planning on doing it on the first day (Tripping on a comedown is bad.....). If I want to be peaking anywhere from 9pm-2am what time would be optimal to do it. If I was do do it arround 4pm would I be ok to have a few drinks early on in the day as long as I'm in a sober(ish) state of mind?

If everything goes well would a small dose of MDMA towards the tail end of the trip be worthwhile or is the mesc stimulating enough. Is there a noticeable cross tolerance seeing as their both PEAs? Would peaking on MDMA and Mescaline at the same time be better?

Sorry about all the questions, hope I haven't broken any rules. Feel free to describe a couple of your own mescaline experiences. (Preferably at events/raves/festivals.

 

[Vader]

Dosing at 4 seems a bit early if you want to be tripping during the evening/night, I'd take it around 7 if I were you. Few drinks is fine, but I generally like combining booze and trips, if you don't then steer clear. Yeah, MDMA will make it better (as with most things!). No, there's no cross tolerance, it's not the structure that's important but the mechanism of action, mescaline and MDMA act on the body in totally different ways. IME, mescaline can be a little rough on the body (nausea/vomiting/trembling/hot and cold flushes), so be aware of that, and make sure you have somewhere comfortable to have a sit-down during the come up. You're a lucky bastard, synthetic mesc in the UK, enjoy yourself!

 

[Cz_x]

Dosing at 4 seems a bit early if you want to be tripping during the evening/night, I'd take it around 7 if I were you. Few drinks is fine, but I generally like combining booze and trips, if you don't then steer clear. Yeah, MDMA will make it better (as with most things!). No, there's no cross tolerance, it's not the structure that's important but the mechanism of action, mescaline and MDMA act on the body in totally different ways. IME, mescaline can be a little rough on the body (nausea/vomiting/trembling/hot and cold flushes), so be aware of that, and make sure you have somewhere comfortable to have a sit-down during the come up. You're a lucky bastard, synthetic mesc in the UK, enjoy yourself!

Took me a while to find, I want to make my first full blown psy experience amazing and mesc seems to be very user friendly/forgiving.

 

[Ismene]

It's 99.9% certain that it isn't synthetic mescaline. At the outside, very outside, chance, you've got what someone has extracted from a cactus but for that they'd be asking top, top prices. I mean a lot plus a gram unless he was your absolute best friend.

What you'll have is some kind of RC. Is it a whiteish type powder? Don't take a 350mg dose of it until you have some idea of what it might be.

 

[sockpuppet]

edt

 

[Vader]

I have to say, it does seem pretty unlikely that someone with no psychedelic experience would come across synthetic mescaline, I've been tripping for ten years and the only mescaline I've ever seen or heard of is what I've extracted myself.

 

[Cz_x]

It's 99.9% certain that it isn't synthetic mescaline. At the outside, very outside, chance, you've got what someone has extracted from a cactus but for that they'd be asking top, top prices. I mean a lot plus a gram unless he was your absolute best friend.

What you'll have is some kind of RC. Is it a whiteish type powder? Don't take a 350mg dose of it until you have some idea of what it might be.

I paid close to that, price discussion isn't allowed so I'll probably get told off for mentioning that. It's from a reliable source and I waited about 3/4 months for it. I honestly think that if I was going to get sold an RC he would have done it fairly fast without keeping me waiting.

For arguments sake lets just assume it's synthetic mescaline.

Enjoy and please report back.

Next weekend you'll have a trip report.

 

[Ismene]

While I don't share Ismene's certainty about such things - knowing very well that there are many different circles in this world and not everyone on BL is a socially isolated young person - you'd be wise to be 100% certain of your material. Here in the US in 2012 very pure extracted mescaline crystals are quite common in some circles - but synthetic mescaline is very unusual. It is however, not at all unknown, so I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt but if it were me I'd want to know for certain it wasn't 2c-e cut with sparkle dust or whatnot...

I think the price will be the telling thing tho sock.

But I'm talking about the UK here - I don't know the situation in the US. I remember cactus used to be cheaper in the US.

One things for sure - I wouldn't take 350mg of it for my first dose.

I paid close to that, price discussion isn't allowed so I'll probably get told off for mentioning that. It's from a reliable source and I waited about 3/4 months for it. I honestly think that if I was going to get sold an RC he would have done it fairly fast without keeping me waiting.

I've never heard of synthetic mescaline to be honest, it just doesn't exist. According to J.OTT it never has existed on the street. Anyone telling me he had it for sale I'd be very suspicious of. You'd save it for yourself and your friends.

Maybe he's just got some 2c-x or DOM and bulked it up with something inactive and then sold it at 3 times the price by calling it "mescaline".

 

[Vader]

OP is in the UK. I think that, given that the possibility of it not being mescaline has been raised, and that OP is aware of that and is confident in his source, we should proceed under the understanding that it is, in fact, mescaline.

 

[Ismene]

For arguments sake lets just assume it's synthetic mescaline.

If you're experienced with psychedelics then 400mg will be a good starting dose - but mescaline is very gentle. By far the gentlest psychedelic, nowhere near as ferocious as LSD and mushrooms can be. I've taken upwards of a gram and had a very pleasant time in nature. Great for walking in the countryside, seems to emphasise greens and browns rather than the more vivid colours. Beautiful for listening to music - perhaps the best of all apart from oral DMT.

Shame cactus became so chronically expensive in the UK. I was looking at peyote a few years ago and it was going to cost something like £1000 for one trip.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

Alrighty boys, no more numbers, you could have it got around it if you tried. Though it looks like the relevant parties saw them already, so everyone should be happy. Carry on.

Agreed with vader that speculating ID is a waste. However, given the difference in dosage between mescaline and many other psychs, I'd take extra caution and titrate Shulgin style.

 

[Ismene]

Then again, if the guy has bulked it up to a gram then he'll surely have just put in a smaller amount of active so he doesn't kill everyone he sells it to.

Looking forward to the trip report.

 

[Cz_x]

Then again, if the guy has bulked it up to a gram then he'll surely have just put in a smaller amount of active so he doesn't kill everyone he sells it to.

Looking forward to the trip report.

I'm looking forward to the festival, the set + setting could probably do with being more calm but the company I'll be with will be superb. The music there is pretty much strictly electro/Dnb which is right up my street and something I'm really into. It's probably not to most peoples taste but I'm sure it'll be a very good experience and if things do start to get to much there is a large chill out area. There is also a forest that will be lit in a very commercial way with 100s of lights so I'm sure it'll look spectacular.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

^Yeah, that's almost certainly true, but you know what good ole Ben Franklin said about this sort of thing.

 

[sockpuppet]

edt

 

[Ismene]

500mg the equivalent of a good 250mcg of LSD which is to say the point at which I start melting into the floor at the peak and need to be somewhere truly tripper friendly.

No, I've never experienced anything remotely as psychedelic as 250mics of LSD from mescaline. It just isn't the kind of drug to overwhelm you like acid. I mean, Aldous Huxley took 400mg for his first trip - a frail, old man on his very first drug experience - and there's photographs of him walking around outside while he was high. That sounds about right for mescaline.

Always so certain your experience is the default

Well it's not me, it's also J. OTT (Was that his name? He wrote a massive textbook on psychedelics) there's a chapter in his book about "synthetic mescaline" where he goes through the urban myth that it was available in the 60's and 70's. Comes to the conclusion that it was just acid being sold for 10 times the price.

And it's also common sense if you've actually tried buying cacti and then extracting mescaline from it. Producing it in bulk to sell to strangers simply isn't going to appeal to most drug dealers when they can earn 100 times as much with 100 times less the hassle from pretty much any other drug.

 

[sockpuppet]

edt

 

[Spacemonkey5000]

No, I've never experienced anything remotely as psychedelic as 250mics of LSD from mescaline. It just isn't the kind of drug to overwhelm you like acid. I mean, Aldous Huxley took 400mg for his first trip - a frail, old man on his very first drug experience - and there's photographs of him walking around outside while he was high. That sounds about right for mescaline.

Always so certain your experience is the default

Well it's not me, it's also J. OTT (Was that his name? He wrote a massive textbook on psychedelics) there's a chapter in his book about "synthetic mescaline" where he goes through the urban myth that it was available in the 60's and 70's. Comes to the conclusion that it was just acid being sold for 10 times the price.

And it's also common sense if you've actually tried buying cacti and then extracting mescaline from it. Producing it in bulk to sell to strangers simply isn't going to appeal to most drug dealers when they can earn 100 times as much with 100 times less the hassle from pretty much any other drug.

This is bs ime really..

Ive only done mesc 3times in the form of san pedro and it always kicked my ass like a ayahuasca kind of thing.

The second time i had about 30cm of a pretty skinny pedro and it was a full blown trip for sure, oev similar to 200+ mics of lsd but alot more detail and very different for sure.

I guess a san pedro trip is different than pure mesc but personally i would not claim it to be any gentler than dmt or mushrooms, but that could be because i have alot more experience with these drugs...

Lsd for me is like candy, i can behave better on acid than on weed.

 

[IamMe90]

My experiences with t. bridgesii were a lot more intense than my higher dose LSD excursions, too. It's different for everyone.

 

[psood0nym]

Regarding the intensity of mescaline, I would agree that it's pretty easy going even at fairly high doses if it wasn't for this one time... I had taken 40 grams of dried green Torch flesh. It was about 3 hours after ingestion and without much warning the trip ramped up in intensity over about 5 minutes. The closest thing it felt like was ayahuasca: strong intricate visuals, deep racing mysterious sorts of thoughts, etc. (and I've taken a pretty broad range of psychedelics, including TMA-6 and 2C-T-7, the two that I've taken you might think would be the closest to what I was feeling with the Torch). It was great to finally experience mescaline's bite, but after about 10 minutes of being bowled over I went and puked. Disappointingly, it was a rapid decline from there.

I've taken that same dose of flesh (from the same bag I got that "ayahuasca-like" dose from) numerous times since then and never experienced anything like the same. I think it must've had something to do with how the dose was being digested, but obviously there's no way to know what that condition was or repeat it reliably if I did. The way to go is to do a proper extract (at least 70 - 80 % alkaloids) and plug it to increase potency and factor out the digestion variable, but it's a lot of work and dealing with cactus snot is a real pain for something that may or may not work as well as just eating the flesh so I've never actually bothered. These days I just powder the flesh and leave it soaking in tall plastic cylinders (spaghetti noodle Tupperware) in the fridge for days. Then I siphon off the non-slimy layer on top over and over until the water is clear and I've got quarts of it. That gets boiled down to a drinkable amount. It started getting syrupy when I tried to boil it down to a pluggable amount, and I wasn't about to jump in the tub and try to pump 30 mL of Mrs. Buttersworth's alkaloid syrup up my ass. So that was a bust. Friggin mescaline is difficult to work with on multiple levels.

Fastandbulbous had a report comparing synthetic to cacti and said he preferred the plant (I think he was using a "full spectrum" San Pedro extract). What's in the full spectrum extract will vary by individual cactus, species, what time of year it was harvested, etc. though, so it's hard to say. If only getting a variety of full spectrum extracts with known proportions of identified cacti chems wouldn't take a research team and many thousands of dollars. When society starts paying me to take drugs maybe I'll find out.