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festival death due to " Benzo Fury" ?

jancrow said:
You said 'merely being arrested means you can never visit the USA or many other countries'
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True but context is everything - I was replying to someone whose house had been raided for drugs.

Merely being arrested isn't enough to run this particular risk. Just clarification for anyone reading who hasn't gone over this ground before.

I'm not so sure now jancrow - if you check out the wikipage for moral turpitude it says:

The first question on document I-94W for those visiting the U.S. on the Visa Waiver Program asks:

Have you ever been arrested or convicted for an offense or crime involving moral turpitude or a violation related to a controlled substance; or been arrested or convicted for two or more offenses for which the aggregate sentence to confinement was five years or more; or been controlled substance trafficker; or are you seeking entry to engage in criminal or immoral activities?

Little guidance is provided to the traveler as to which offenses are included in the definition; however the website of the U.S. embassy in London states that a visa is required for anyone who has ever been arrested or convicted for any offense.[9] This appears to be at variance with the question on form I-94W and information supplied by the US Department of Homeland Security, as there are many offenses that are not considered to involve moral turpitude
 
A death from 6-APB / 5-APB was in statistically likely eventually, as the same goes for all other stimulating RC's , because they are stimulants. The simple biological fact is that either because of a genetic predisposition (just grew that way) or from lifestyle predisposition (e.g. cholersterol) stimulants will cause a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebral_aneurysm or a heart attack. Some people are born or grow up to have a faulty vein, and all you need is one in the brain of them and a stimulant just plain increases the odds of that bursting vein so damned much more, the higher the pulse and the longer the stimulant lasts.

Also different drugs, even medicines or chemicals which are not drugs may weaken the structure of veins, as will malnutrion (which with all the garbage people are eating is common) over time weaken the structure of veins. So any stimulant, especially for people in the above mentioned groups, could cause that vein in the brain to burst and give at best a stroke with partial damage to the brain and at worst, and much more likely as the blood stream is pumping from the stimulant, massive brain stroke and thus death.

Also people tend to mix stimulants with sedatives such as diazpines or even insanly ethanol, and even borderline sucidally heroin and morphine. This, and especially with the morphins, is a very bad idea as one part of the body is telling your heart to go faster and an other to slow down, or several parts are sending out of rythm signals (some stimulating effect, reuptake inhibitors, MAO, different sedative effects e.g. GABA and NMDA, or endorphines (which ethanol BTW also stimulates some), so mixing in a "calmer" this may seem like a strategy for noe having too high a heart rate, but it is at a minimum a double jeopardy as the heart is not made to cope with such conflicting neurological / hormone / nerve signals and will start to beat out of order of it's crucial four chamber balance and thus may result in a bloody heart condition and heartattack or blood cloting and strokes.

Bottom line: Listen to the people telling you NOT to mix drugs and NOT to take more than one dose, because most stimulant fatalities (except for e.g. PMA which is just to much BPM by itself and purely toxic deaths or dehydration/overheating) come from combining drugs that send the delicate clockwork in your body mixed signals at the same time. And you want the clockwork of the body to go in the designed directions, or yes it will grind away and possible cause a fatality, and statistically will eventually. And yes that would include THC etc. and caffeine (which is one reason caffeine mixed into RCs is a unfriendly plan at more than one level).

Don't mix drugs, don't do more than one pill. Stay inside the minimum safety amounts, you are not invinsible, the body is in fact rather frail and biological clockwork not to be messed with extensivly -- no matter what you think or feel.


R.I.P. all drug overdose victims.
 
BTW, you all kind of touched on it with the legalization debate; The police and media did the most responsible course of action warning the general public that a "benzofury" was possibly lethal. Where they failed however was not questioning size, type, vendor and any other useful information about the drug and drug interactions taken and bring that to the public, because if there is a batch of potentially lethal "benzofury" nobody is any wiser now. I just hope they are equally responsible when the toxiology reports come, and in the case of a false 6-APB that is seriously dangerous make the propper actions to stop it's supply. But it will probably just be baned and people are back to chewing PMAs for overdoses, geting an amphetamine addiction etc. and dying in scores.
 
wonderbong said:
A death from 6-APB / 5-APB was in statistically likely eventually, as the same goes for all other stimulating RC's , because they are stimulants. The simple biological fact is that either because of a genetic predisposition (just grew that way) or from lifestyle predisposition (e.g. cholersterol) stimulants will cause a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebral_aneurysm or a heart attack. Some people are born or grow up to have a faulty vein, and all you need is one in the brain of them and a stimulant just plain increases the odds of that bursting vein so damned much more, the higher the pulse and the longer the stimulant lasts.

Also different drugs, even medicines or chemicals which are not drugs may weaken the structure of veins, as will malnutrion (which with all the garbage people are eating is common) over time weaken the structure of veins. So any stimulant, especially for people in the above mentioned groups, could cause that vein in the brain to burst and give at best a stroke with partial damage to the brain and at worst, and much more likely as the blood stream is pumping from the stimulant, massive brain stroke and thus death.

Also people tend to mix stimulants with sedatives such as diazpines or even insanly ethanol, and even borderline sucidally heroin and morphine. This, and especially with the morphins, is a very bad idea as one part of the body is telling your heart to go faster and an other to slow down, or several parts are sending out of rythm signals (some stimulating effect, reuptake inhibitors, MAO, different sedative effects e.g. GABA and NMDA, or endorphines (which ethanol BTW also stimulates some), so mixing in a "calmer" this may seem like a strategy for noe having too high a heart rate, but it is at a minimum a double jeopardy as the heart is not made to cope with such conflicting neurological / hormone / nerve signals and will start to beat out of order of it's crucial four chamber balance and thus may result in a bloody heart condition and heartattack or blood cloting and strokes.

Bottom line: Listen to the people telling you NOT to mix drugs and NOT to take more than one dose, because most stimulant fatalities (except for e.g. PMA which is just to much BPM by itself and purely toxic deaths or dehydration/overheating) come from combining drugs that send the delicate clockwork in your body mixed signals at the same time. And you want the clockwork of the body to go in the designed directions, or yes it will grind away and possible cause a fatality, and statistically will eventually. And yes that would include THC etc. and caffeine (which is one reason caffeine mixed into RCs is a unfriendly plan at more than one level).

Don't mix drugs, don't do more than one pill. Stay inside the minimum safety amounts, you are not invinsible, the body is in fact rather frail and biological clockwork not to be messed with extensivly -- no matter what you think or feel.


R.I.P. all drug overdose victims.
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Excellent post.
 
wonderbong said:
Some people are born or grow up to have a faulty vein, and all you need is one in the brain of them and a stimulant just plain increases the odds of that bursting vein so damned much more, the higher the pulse and the longer the stimulant lasts.
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So exercise and sex are also to be avoided?

I think if you have a faulty vein it's going to blow whether you increase your heart rate or not. I don't think staying in bed for 20 hours a day and travelling everywhere in a motorised scooter will help you live any longer.
 
wonderbong said:
Also people tend to mix stimulants with sedatives such as diazpines or even insanly ethanol, and even borderline sucidally heroin and morphine. This, and especially with the morphins, is a very bad idea as one part of the body is telling your heart to go faster and an other to slow down, or several parts are sending out of rythm signals (some stimulating effect, reuptake inhibitors, MAO, different sedative effects e.g. GABA and NMDA, or endorphines (which ethanol BTW also stimulates some), so mixing in a "calmer" this may seem like a strategy for noe having too high a heart rate, but it is at a minimum a double jeopardy as the heart is not made to cope with such conflicting neurological / hormone / nerve signals and will start to beat out of order of it's crucial four chamber balance and thus may result in a bloody heart condition and heartattack or blood cloting and strokes.

Bottom line: Listen to the people telling you NOT to mix drugs and NOT to take more than one dose, because most stimulant fatalities (except for e.g. PMA which is just to much BPM by itself and purely toxic deaths or dehydration/overheating) come from combining drugs that send the delicate clockwork in your body mixed signals at the same time. And you want the clockwork of the body to go in the designed directions, or yes it will grind away and possible cause a fatality, and statistically will eventually. And yes that would include THC etc. and caffeine (which is one reason caffeine mixed into RCs is a unfriendly plan at more than one level).

Don't mix drugs, don't do more than one pill. Stay inside the minimum safety amounts, you are not invinsible, the body is in fact rather frail and biological clockwork not to be messed with extensivly -- no matter what you think or feel.
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This is TOTAL shit. You have taken a myth and tried to sound clever. Mixing stimulants and depressants does not send two signals to the heart, whatsoever. The brain decides the speed, as usual. It's like being given valium for a coke overdose - standard NHS practice. You may ask this question in Advanced Drug Discussion, if you require more evidence. Please don't join this site and talk fucking shite. You could end up killing someone, by spouting such bollocks. Take one pill? I've not really heard of many deaths from large amounts of pills - if anything, it's the poor people that take 'Just one tablet of ecstasy').

Oh, and welcome!
 
I hope (and believe) Treacle is spot on because wonderbong's advice is like "just say no", i.e. not much use at all ;)

I can't remember any occasion when I've just taken one drug (except alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, and aspirin), by that logic I, and all my pals, should have been dead long long ago.

Just having a cigarette is a cocktail of drugs.
 
The only dangerous conflicting signal I've heard of is when you sneeze and break wind at the same time - resulting in you performing a backflip.
 
Sorry, for derailing this thread a bit. Just thought I might add I just got a letter from the police saying the charges had been dropped if I would just accept a fine. ??? Is there no kind of limit to how much mischief you can get upto?
 
Just worked up the balls to open the letter and am a few days behind but it should be okay. But this time I thought for sure it was it. Pretty sure anyone else in the same place would be banged up for some time by now and what about them? Seems like to the legal system I can do no wrong any which way.
 
Treacle said:
This is TOTAL shit. You have taken a myth and tried to sound clever. Mixing stimulants and depressants does not send two signals to the heart, whatsoever. The brain decides the speed, as usual. It's like being given valium for a coke overdose - standard NHS practice. You may ask this question in Advanced Drug Discussion, if you require more evidence. Please don't join this site and talk fucking shite. You could end up killing someone, by spouting such bollocks. Take one pill? I've not really heard of many deaths from large amounts of pills - if anything, it's the poor people that take 'Just one tablet of ecstasy').

Oh, and welcome!
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TOTAL shit?

From a Research Chemical point of view I think it's sound advice.I've mentioned three RC's I've taken before on another thread (MDPV,Camfetamine and MPA).....you mentioned Coke-the difference was night and day.My heart reacted in a way I've never experienced before and was like that for 24hrs plus.Felt like I'd just run a sprint marathon.I'd say it wouldn't be wise to add benzos/depressants to the equation.Do you know how RC's and depressants work together?Better to be safe than sorry in my view.
 
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knockando said:
What point of view is that? Do drugs have minds ;)



what's the advice though? Only ever take one drug? Never mix stims and booze? Never cross the road! Always sellotape your key to your finger in case it gets lost.
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Nah don't agree with it all.Maybe should have mentioned that.Def don't agree with the 'only ever take one'.One is never enough :) my main point is when it comes to RC's and depressants,I think it's a good idea not to mix them.I'm only giving my point of view.I've taken my fair share of stuff before RC's came along and I've never had anything that made my heart beat anywhere near as fast or for as long.As I say,better to be safe than sorry.No harm in that.
 
FishplusChips said:
Nah don't agree with it all.Maybe should have mentioned that.Def don't agree with the 'only ever take one'.One is never enough :) my main point is when it comes to RC's and depressants,I think it's a good idea not to mix them.I'm only giving my point of view.I've taken my fair share of stuff before RC's came along and I've never had anything that made my heart beat anywhere near as fast or for as long.As I say,better to be safe than sorry.No harm in that.
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I've actually lost track, are you saying 6-apb made your heart beat fast yeah?
 
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