[DXM Subthread] First Time

[Thorns Have Roses]

Does anybody know if there's a way to shorten the trip? I'm not sure if I want a full 4 hours

You can't really kill a dissociative trip like you would a psychedelic one, you're in it for the duration. Antipsychotics might work for making you less dissociated, since folks report being on them decreased effects of dissociatives, I wouldn't recommend the combo though, given DXM's multi-faceted pharmacological effects.

And it lasts longer than 4 hours dude. Just plan it when you can do it, and be aware you might not sleep at all if you take it at night, though the afterglow helps make up for this (lying in bed for 8 hours straight with your eyes closed helps rest you somewhat though, I do that when I take high dose dissociatives).

Isn't CYP26D also involved in MDMA metabolism? I expect that I should be fine since I have experience with M.

Does not work like that http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_pharmacology1.shtml. Plus, DXO is what produces the NMDA antagonism desired by DXM users, so not being able to break down the DXM, and it thus being present in MUCH higher concentrations than it would normally, for much longer, can produce extremely undesirable effects.

as for shortening it, benzos?

Would help you get to sleep, but during the experience I'd worry that GABAergics would add to the confusion and amnesiac aspects of it, so I'd be hesitant to suggest it to beginners.

Edit: being a beginner, I guess the OP is going with a 2nd plateau dose after their allergy test, so the insomnia may not apply. Also, the duration may indeed be more like their estimate, and they shouldn't need anything to dampen a negative experience the drug's effects since it's just inebriating at those doses.

 

[marie.claire]

YES. Get an antihistamine dude! I got my friend to try the gels and he had an extreme allergic reaction deal going on. his face blew up to a balloon! also, robo itch is extremely uncomfortable and will distract you. Just pick up some generic benadryls. they help alot with nausea too! take it about 20 minutes before you start dosing on dxm.

Is there any cross reactivity between antihistamines and DXM?

Edit: being a beginner, I guess the OP is going with a 2nd plateau dose after their allergy test, so the insomnia may not apply. Also, the duration may indeed be more like their estimate, and they shouldn't need anything to dampen a negative experience the drug's effects since it's just inebriating at those doses.

I'm actually going with a 1st plateau dose wanna start low

 

[MagicalOrangutan]

DXM is terrible. It's a weird, bizarre, awful feeling. In my humble opinion.

 

[pharmakos]

i've heard that piracetam can sort of abort a DXM trip

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

Is there any cross reactivity between antihistamines and DXM?

Using a therapeutic dose of an antihistamine like diphenhydramine is good to counteract itchiness and vertigo (the latter should not be a significant problem in the lower plateaux).

I'm actually going with a 1st plateau dose, wanna start low

Just don't expect it to produce any desirable effects at that level. Assuming you've established that you aren't enzyme deficient, 300-360mg (well, whatever a mid-second plateau dose for your body weight is) is where you'll get a proper taste of the drug's action. Your starting low is commendable though.

 

[marie.claire]

Thank you for the info

One last question...is there any way to counteract the nausea from the gelatin in gel caps? Or would I be better off with syrup?

Thanks!

 

[pharmakos]

sometimes gels give me worse nausea, sometimes syrup.... depends on stomach contents and how hydrated i am and a lot of other factors i am sure.

the biggest reason the syrup sucks is because its soooooo menthol-y

one or two benadryl or dramamine helps with the nausea quite a bit. stick to one or two though, more and it can make the trip dysphoric and confusing.

 

[marie.claire]

sometimes gels give me worse nausea, sometimes syrup.... depends on stomach contents and how hydrated i am and a lot of other factors i am sure.

the biggest reason the syrup sucks is because its soooooo menthol-y

one or two benadryl or dramamine helps with the nausea quite a bit. stick to one or two though, more and it can make the trip dysphoric and confusing.

Should I take it on an empty stomach? All suggestions are appreciated thanks!

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

It's less unpleasant to throw up some liquid than a bunch of other stuff too, so I'd say go for an empty stomach. Certainly don't have it after a big meal, but having a lil' food in you won't be too bothersome probably.

At first plateau doses it shouldn't matter at all because you're not likely to feel any nausea. Will matter more for the second, but there will still be a lot of leeway, while it will be something you should seriously consider in the higher plateaux.

 

[pharmakos]

Should I take it on an empty stomach? All suggestions are appreciated thanks!

idk even.

i prefer an empty stomach, but i usually require a half hour or so of lying down and just dealing with the nausea on the comeup. my friend likes to eat a meal before he takes his gels.... i think so that he can vomit more easily. (he vomits almost every time).

water helps a lot.

At first plateau doses it shouldn't matter at all because you're not likely to feel any nausea. Will matter more for the second, but there will still be a lot of leeway, while it will be something you should seriously consider in the higher plateaux.

true ^^

also, i didn't start getting bad nausea until i had used DXM quite a few times. i think DXM nausea can be more of a conditioned response to repeated abuse.

 

[oar9fi]

i've heard that piracetam can sort of abort a DXM trip

I never used it with DXM, but while coming down from MXE I took some & it was the first time I really felt a marked "change" after dosing piracetam (& I take it most days.) I didn't take it specifically for the comedown & was surprised at how my coordination & reaction time improved. It certainly wasn't an antidote or anything, but it reduced some of the side effects.

And as for gels vs. syrup, go with the gels. They're easier to swallow and there's no taste if you do get sick. Syrup is nasty enough going down, & 10X nastier coming back up (usually pink & foamy- BLECH!) If you DO get the urge to purge, it's best to just let it out. Fighting it just prolongs the nausea IME.

 

[marie.claire]

I hate nausea, worst feeling in the world thanks all for the advice!!

 

[PepperSocks]

Would help you get to sleep, but during the experience I'd worry that GABAergics would add to the confusion and amnesiac aspects of it, so I'd be hesitant to suggest it to beginners.

I sorta agree with this. I say sorta because if one were to take alprazolam, other 'normal' benzos or lord help; phenazepam (even proper ~1mg dose takes 4 hours to reach effect, not a suitable trip arborter at all, lack of abortion leads to more doses, and you've heard the stories..)

Anyways, say one takes 0.5mg to 1mg alprazolam (assuming they don't use benzos, non-tolerant) to abort a trip. There's a way in which the benzo comes on that it disinhibits you before it calms you down. The stripping of anxiety from the trip is relieving and euphoric and may push the trip to a higher level. You may become so disinibitited and unaware of what you're doing; it can end up harmless, it can end up bad.

The best thing in a benzo abortion of a trip is just to be in a safe place, and calmly wait it out. If you're outside there's too much open space and stimulation, you may feel a bit too much 'freedom'. Once that disinhibition phase passes the somnolence phase begins.

BTW I recommend Diazepam for trip abortion. 5-10mg should be good for a non-benzo user. I find it more clear, calm, can be peacefully euphoric, and it has less amnesiac effects.

One trip abortion when I was non-benzo tolerant I took 0.75mg of alprazolam; I did some weird shit before it put me down. It was fun when it came on though. I had a hazy recollection of what happened after the benzo dose. I feel diazepam is less prone to producing that disinhibited, energetic, amnesiac phase.

i've heard that piracetam can sort of abort a DXM trip

I have never heard of that and think it would 1) be dangerous 2) Likely potentate and make the trip stronger and last longer.

Just don't expect it to produce any desirable effects at that level. Assuming you've established that you aren't enzyme deficient, 300-360mg (well, whatever a mid-second plateau dose for your body weight is) is where you'll get a proper taste of the drug's action. Your starting low is commendable though.

I've never heard anyone actually post about CYP deficient DXM trip. It's good to be cautious obviously. Doing the 'allergy test' a few days before would be a good idea because that little bit of tolerance can make your trip quite diminished from what it might be.
I've found 300mg to not only be a good starting dose, but a good dose in general. I went up to 450 once, too many side effects, 300mg was the goldilocks (just right) dose for me. A bottle of 20 - 15mg gelcaps is my preffered route, I take them in intervals over one hour (to lessen side effects). Something like 4+3+3+3+3+4, ~10 minutes apart.

One last question...is there any way to counteract the nausea from the gelatin in gel caps? Or would I be better off with syrup?

Definitely better with gelcaps IMO. That's a lot of sugar saturated syrup with a bunch of other stuff and possibly active drugs (obviously get a syrup with only DXM on the actives label). I haven't seen adulterated gelcaps yet but I check everytime I buy something. In general from my own experience and that of others on here is that the gelcaps are better for nausea and give a cleaner trip.

I hate nausea, worst feeling in the world thanks all for the advice!!

Me too, the come up with the tension, and the nausea happens on all real trips. It can be lessened by taking some ginger capsules before you start the timed gelcap swallowing. If nausea starts to really show, more ginger might not save it and I'd do what Never Knows Best said with taking a 25mg tablet of diphenhydramine (benadryl). It's the same drug as gravol but works faster (bound to a different salt, chemistry stuff; if you want to find out why Gravol (dimenhydrinate) isn't as good at quick nausea reduction as benadryl (diphenhydramine): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimenhydrinate

Nausea sucks but it's part of the game. With other drugs it gets better as you get accustomed to it, but the trips don't seem to be as powerfully good as they were when the come up was filled with nausea.

Time lapse the doses, 300mg, I'm sure you'll be fine, happy tripping

 

[PepperSocks]

Should I take it on an empty stomach? All suggestions are appreciated thanks!

This is another balancing act. I'd say a couple hours after you've eaten a medium supper, with food you know, stuff that's easy on the stomach, and easy to digest. The thing with taking it on an empty stomach is you may get hungry and eating during the peak of a trip (which I've had to do due to hunger, isn't all that great and takes away from the trip). Empty stomach means it needs food. Neglecting that will leave your blood sugar low during the trip which generally doesn't feel good and makes you hungry.

I always time my meal so that my stomach's well into digesting the food and feeling settled, comfy when I take the doses. This makes nausea less likely and makes for a good energy level throughout the trip and not being hungry until the comedown. On LSD or other long lasters this can get tricky. I'll still be tripping, but I need that 8th hour snack.

 

[pharmakos]

I have never heard of that and think it would 1) be dangerous 2) Likely potentate and make the trip stronger and last longer.

well i have heard of it before and i have read several individuals report otherwise

Piracetam plays differently with dissociatives than it does with psychedelics

Piracetam is basically a cyclic glutamate analogue (not quite but basically), which could explain the reported effects of Piracetam clearing up dissociative trips

did you do any googling before you disagreed just because you hadn't heard of it before?

 

[marie.claire]

That's a ton of information, thank you!

I have another question lol. I assume the same rules apply as MDMA, in terms of cross-reactivity and spacing out doses? Ie. waiting at least a couple of months between trips?

 

[Jesusgreen]

That's a ton of information, thank you!

I have another question lol. I assume the same rules apply as MDMA, in terms of cross-reactivity and spacing out doses? Ie. waiting at least a couple of months between trips?

You don't need to wait 1-2+ months between DXM trips, dissociative tolerance is quite slow to build - the issue is that like MDxx etc it is incredibly hard to get back down once you raise your tolerance. I wouldn't recommend making it a regular habit but if you wanted to trip twice in a short period of time, a few days would be plenty

 

[marie.claire]

I was actually more concerned about the serotonin release I didn't know about the tolerance though, thanks!

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

^AFAIK it's a serotonin reuptake inhibitor, not a releaser. Your primary worry on the serotonin front is inducing SS through a contraindicated combination.

Using multiple times per month causing decrease in desired effects through monoamine depletion, as with enactogens, is not a significant concern (NMDA antagonism is the principle mechanism for inducing the desired effects).

 

[Asante]

DXM gives me horrible, HORRIBLE nausea at just 200mg. What little interest in the substance I had vanished completely when I discovered 4-MeO-PCP and especially Methoxetamine. I'll never touch DXM again, other than as an antitussive at the recommended dose.