Regional Heroin Discussion v15

[doppelganga196]

Yes Ructions I get what you described now & then. I reckon it's the result of not moving positions around whilst you sleep, likely because you & i are sedated to a degree by opioids or benzos or H, whatever.

Often if i lay on one side most of the night one side of my hip is achey at the joint/socket where my leg-bone connects with the hip-bone. Also i'll get it on the same side up in my shoulder.

I used to get it in my knees too but have remedied this by placing a cushion between my knees when i lay on one side. Also helps if you just try to sleep mainly on your back only.

 

[charlie clean]

Oh, don't mention arthritis...it grows worse as you grow older and when it rains all the dope in China doesn't stop the pain. I see the latest research suggests the condition is caused by bacteria in the stomach so perhaps there's a connection between your two afflictions, Caza. Only wish they'd come up with a just-like-that cure.

The trouble with the 'too doped to move' thesis, Rucs, is that other users on the same or bigger meth doses have no such problem. Maybe downers or other factors come into it somewhere. If you want to check, commission Mr Rucs to stay awake one time and count the number of times you turn over in your sleep, If it's significantly lower than average, voila, you have your answer and, if not, you'll know to look elsewhere.

Gorgeous day here, think I'll skive off for the afternoon, head for the riverside with a little refreshment and a battery-operated t.v, watch Ascot and wish I lived closer to the sea.

P.S.

Someone elsewhere informs me the Telegraph article PP put up a few pages back was actually written in 2004!

I didn't even notice. Must be the drugs.

The result was a suspension for Dr Brewer for the home detox and acquittal for the rest.

 

[blondin]

P.S.

Someone elsewhere informs me the Telegraph article PP put up a few pages back was actually written in 2004!

I didn't even notice. Must be the drugs.

The result was a suspension for Dr Brewer for the home detox and acquittal for the rest.

We had a long run of posts on brewer a while ago - he was a cunt who massively overprescribed and caused the death of at least 12 people from OD's - he would give you what you wanted massive amounts of 'done 4-500p/d was not unusual as well as palfium and MST and in the early days dikes. Some of us on here saw him cant remember who else - the clinic still operates but only gives out done and mst but amps if you want them.
Anyone still posting who saw him as well?

 

[backroll]

Oh dear someone's been a stupid boy...got a massive court case in month's time : (

At least i'm out and about though and not on remand...20 hours in the cells weren't too nice, however they were pretty generous with the amount of valium and dihydrocodeine they gave me if i'm being honest! Fair play.

Anyways so that's me clean til then and for the foreseable future. Don't think I will be on here much from now on because it ain't the best place to be when you are clucking in my opinion : ( Enjoy the poppy season, be safe, fuck babylon and be nice to Blondin.

Night night bluelight.

 

[eireann]

Yes Ructions I get what you described now & then. I reckon it's the result of not moving positions around whilst you sleep, likely because you & i are sedated to a degree by opioids or benzos or H, whatever.

Often if i lay on one side most of the night one side of my hip is achey at the joint/socket where my leg-bone connects with the hip-bone. Also i'll get it on the same side up in my shoulder.

I used to get it in my knees too but have remedied this by placing a cushion between my knees when i lay on one side. Also helps if you just try to sleep mainly on your back only.

yeah i used to get it the whole time too when i was on gear it is from not moving in ur sleep
and having a shit mattress i still sleep with a cushing between my legs i cudnt sleep without it

 

[alfo]

Hi all! I just wanted to ask if this happens to anyone else & if so do you know why it happens? I find that i sleep very heavily at night, now i don't mean heavy as in a deep heavy sleep, i mean my body seems to become very heavy!!! Weird huh?!

I am not in anyway over weight, in fact since the drought hit i've become underweight coz when the gear dried up i kind'a of gave up on life & i stopped eating properly, i guess i was a bit depressed. Anyway when i wake up in the morning i find that what ever side of my body that i have been lying on is really sore, its never bruised but it feels like it is, its really really sore & its always the pain of it that wakes me up. I thought that it might have been my mattress but i don't think it is coz i've got a fairly good mattress.

Also my ear is always really really sore from lying on it, but i have the worlds softest pillow & although i used to have loads of piercings in my ear i've taken most of them out a few years ago. But my ear gets so bloody sore just from lying on it, OUCH!!! Last night i had a nightmare that i was stabbed repeatedly in the ear & when i woke my ear was really sore, it was fairly red as well. Also my shoulder, hips & legs all get really sore, they are often red from all the pressure that i seem to be putting on them, but i'm not over weight!

My boyfriend has the very same problem, at first we did think it was the mattress, but then how come my ear is so sore from the pressure that i put on it? I find that this can happen to me either when i've smoked gear or when i'm just taking methadone, it never happened before i used. I thought that it could be bad circulation coz gear/methadone slows your heart rate, but surly that wouldn't effect my ear? 8( When i wake up it feels as if i've slept on a concrete floor with something really heavy applying pressure on top of of me, its so weird!

Does this happen to anyone else? Does anyone else have to go around with a big red ear in the morning? I have always suffered from bad nightmares since i was a child & i still do, so i often have a very fretful sleep. But its only since i've been using heroin/methadone long term that i have had this problem & its so bloody sore! Any ideas anyone? Thanx!!!

The same thing has been happening to me for the last few years. My hips, shoulder and sometimes ear of the side I'm sleeping on r really sore and totally stiff in d morn. I need to turn around slowly coz it's sore but it goes away after a minute r so. I've always put it down to laying on d same side most of d night after smoking. It doesn't happen if I don't smoke. Maybe the brain doesn't tell d body to turn during d night wen it's heroinized!! The muscles in my stomach r often sore also like i've been flexing my stomach muscles all night. Dunno what that's all about? Just another issue to add to the effects of herion list, r book actually, rather than list!

 

[ructions]

Something I believe we had a chat about a long time ago Ructs...sleep apnea. Or rather just the havoc that methadone reaks on ur body. The same as I can crash out sat bolt upright for 6 hours straight, head tilted forward, and wake up in fuckin agony!! Your body isnt sleeping properly because of the methadone, you are basically knocked out when ur asleep, and not moving around as often as you should. You can fall asleep, or move into strange positions when ur already asleep, that you would normally wake up from the pain, but cos ur on the green ur not waking up and adjusting ur position, ur just staying in that position for fuckin ages! A few months back Id had a few beers on a night out, and fell asleep sat upright on the sofa. Anyway I woke up in the morning, having been sat in that position for maybe 8 hours, and had pins and needles in my left front thigh. I learnt that was nerve damage from having sat in an awkward position for hours, and the sensation of pins and needles didnt leave my thigh for about 4 weeks! Scsry eh?
##DISCLAIMER## - BTW Thats my take on ur problem having had the same thing, not an 'experts' opinion!!!!!!! Pls dont sue me

PapaverSom i reckon your right, i always go asleep one one side & wake up the next morning sleeping on that same side! Yeah i reckon the methadone does knock me out & i don't move around in my sleep, i always wake up feeling awful. Not just awful from the pains in my limbs, but awful in general! I can't remember the last time that i woke up & felt refreshed & ready to jump up & start the day! I'm always slow & cranky like an old lady!

Well at least there are a few people who have the same problem! Rattles i might try that memory foam top for my mattress, i've been thinking of getting one for ages! & Maxalfie i'll have a look for that pea, but i don't think so! Although it would be worth all the pain if i was a princess, coz then i'd be loaded & i could buy loads of gear for myself & all my Bluelight mates! We could get a mountain of gear!!! YAY!!!

The same thing has been happening to me for the last few years. My hips, shoulder and sometimes ear of the side I'm sleeping on r really sore and totally stiff in d morn. I need to turn around slowly coz it's sore but it goes away after a minute r so. I've always put it down to laying on d same side most of d night after smoking. It doesn't happen if I don't smoke. Maybe the brain doesn't tell d body to turn during d night wen it's heroinized!! The muscles in my stomach r often sore also like i've been flexing my stomach muscles all night. Dunno what that's all about? Just another issue to add to the effects of herion list, r book actually, rather than list!

Wow it seems a lot of people have this same problem!

How are you Alfo? How are you getting on with your methadone script? Have you stopped using gear? I hope your feeling ok!

 

[charlie clean]

We had a long run of posts on brewer a while ago - he was a cunt who massively overprescribed and caused the death of at least 12 people from OD's - he would give you what you wanted massive amounts of 'done 4-500p/d was not unusual as well as palfium and MST and in the early days dikes. Some of us on here saw him cant remember who else - the clinic still operates but only gives out done and mst but amps if you want them.
Anyone still posting who saw him as well?

Surely Dr Brewer wasn't a 'cunt' for trusting his patients. The description is better applied to the junkies who took advantage of that trust for their own selfish ends and thought they were clever for doing so. Unless you think drug doctors should assume all users are lying scumbags, if you dishonestly obtain more dope than you need and then overdose, the fault is yours. The kind of junkie chancer who targeted the Stapleford gives the rest a bad name and causes trouble for honest users. I know a dedicated and much praised teacher who'd be on the dole if it wasn't for a private clinic providing him the dosage he needs to function and with the confidentiality state clinic patients should, but can't always expect.

 

[blondin]

Surely Dr Brewer wasn't a 'cunt' for trusting his patients. The description is better applied to the junkies who took advantage of that trust for their own selfish ends and thought they were clever for doing so. Unless you think drug doctors should assume all users are lying scumbags, if you dishonestly obtain more dope than you need and then overdose, the fault is exclusively yours. The kind of script hustlers who took advantage of Brewer get the rest a bad name and cause all sorts of problems for the honest patients. I know a dedicated and much praised schoolteacher who wouldn't even be a schoolteacher at all if the Stapleford didn't give him the dosage he needs to function.

He was a doc ffs he took the oath and big cheques - he's scripts were ledgenary he never should have given out what he did. Lets just agree to disagree as we went down this road last time.

 

[charlie clean]

Seem to have edited out the paragraph that mentioned when I served as the 'responsible adult' for a user applying for a Stapleford script. At the time, I thought either the money or the philosophy of taking users at face value could serve to blind their doctors that some fuckheads were there to take advantage of them - I wasn't sure which, or even if the philosophy served as an excuse for the money. But even his most bitter critics considered Brewer a mistaken idealist, not a money-grabbing rogue like Dr Swan, if you remember that legendary surgery.

 

[Mercc96]

Hmm.. Hiya Merc,

it might be argued that addictive medication should be avoided (though potent analgesics seem to be virtually by nature habit forming)

Yes this idea has been touted around alot by any pain professionals and otherwise that I have gone to see and its often along the lines of developing 'coping' mechanisms rather than potentially becoming habituated to morphine and such , to which I argue the point that yes I may live to the grand age of 80 as my condition is not effectively killing me - I am supposed to go on to university this year and I would argue that for the past 3 years I have not been living the life of a teenager more so that of a pensioner, which is not exactly the definition of living . Versus the effects that being on a painkiller will have, I think I would rather function appropriately for a good number of years now and hope that maybe whatever is wrong with me will go away rather than leave me as I am now for fear of me needing to use these medications in my geriatric years. It appears to these doctors that since I am still smiling (albeit as a veil) in appointments, still breathing and have nothing that is going to kill me in the next few years that coping mechanisms are all that is needed to deal with anything pregabalin and other antiphyscotics/TCAs will not deal with. I think the fact that I am still here and not under a bus or something is proof that I am coping somewhat well.

 

[trip2themoon]

Oh dear someone's been a stupid boy...got a massive court case in month's time : (

At least i'm out and about though and not on remand...20 hours in the cells weren't too nice, however they were pretty generous with the amount of valium and dihydrocodeine they gave me if i'm being honest! Fair play.

Anyways so that's me clean til then and for the foreseable future. Don't think I will be on here much from now on because it ain't the best place to be when you are clucking in my opinion : ( Enjoy the poppy season, be safe, fuck babylon and be nice to Blondin.

Night night bluelight.

You lying cunt. Polis wouldnae give a lick a shite if you asked for it but they gave out diffs and valium. LOL was the police doctor in the station at the time. Why am I the only one who calls out the bullshite fae this cunt?

People go on about this thread going downhill. Well at least am no a lying cunt.

 

[backroll]

And what the fuck do you ken about English polis? Come on guys and girls back me up here. I was given 60 mg of DHC twice, a 10 mg valium once and some lopermide for my bum. It barely held me but I was happy as I have not had that sort of treatment before.

"People go on about this thread going downhill" Yeah you said it mate. Want to abuse me with the word cunt again to really really drag it down?

 

[blondin]

Its pretty standard in the UK that when you get nicked the first thing you ask for is the doc - I know people who have been rattling and got caught grafting on purpose for that very reason - but to be fair they are given methadone

 

[Rattles]

Yes this idea has been touted around alot by any pain professionals and otherwise that I have gone to see and its often along the lines of developing 'coping' mechanisms rather than potentially becoming habituated to morphine and such , to which I argue the point that yes I may live to the grand age of 80 as my condition is not effectively killing me - I am supposed to go on to university this year and I would argue that for the past 3 years I have not been living the life of a teenager more so that of a pensioner, which is not exactly the definition of living . Versus the effects that being on a painkiller will have, I think I would rather function appropriately for a good number of years now and hope that maybe whatever is wrong with me will go away rather than leave me as I am now for fear of me needing to use these medications in my geriatric years. It appears to these doctors that since I am still smiling (albeit as a veil) in appointments, still breathing and have nothing that is going to kill me in the next few years that coping mechanisms are all that is needed to deal with anything pregabalin and other antiphyscotics/TCAs will not deal with. I think the fact that I am still here and not under a bus or something is proof that I am coping somewhat well.

Yeah Merc,

its a fucker innit, because you can sit there and put on a reasonable front, hold an educated discussion etc, this is somehow evidence that you're OK even if you're telling them you're not! Another problem you may run into is the one that my late father had; the more he insisted on more pain meds, the more the Doctors dug their heels in citing it as evidence of drug seeking behaviour - claiming that 1)he was not terminal (he said he was but no one, myself included believed him) 2) They didn't wish to increase his level of addiction, citing the Hippocratic oath of all things! (he had already been on Morphine tabs and oramorph for some time). Obviously they were wrong, and he did die, and the evidence was available to me alone that increasing his dose or providing a dimorphine 'script could have made his last coupla' years at least tolerable, since I was sorting him out for a while - sadly the drought put an end even to that relief. In short, whilst I absolutely agree that if your life will be markedly improved now by the presription of the appropriate medication this is probably what should be done (except poss. in the case of relatively short term ailments), the political conditions and Doctors' self intrest vs that of their patients', will mean this is unlikely to happen.

That said, you're on the 'right' side of the artificial pain/pleasure dichotomy, and if you have the will and the time to seek out support from opiophile medical professionals in your area, you might make progress...good luck with that, though a warning that nothing is likely to piss Doctors off more than you seeking alternative opinions, or, god forbid, asking for another Doctor - and they can be very cliquey.

all the best

Rattles.


ps They'll probably also use the fact that you're able to get to University as evidence that you're coping, ignoring the vast range of experinces you may miss out on there as a result of your situation.

pps : The Hypocritic Oath: 'First, do no harm to thine own career'

 

[eireann]

You lying cunt. Polis wouldnae give a lick a shite if you asked for it but they gave out diffs and valium. LOL was the police doctor in the station at the time. Why am I the only one who calls out the bullshite fae this cunt?

People go on about this thread going downhill. Well at least am no a lying cunt.

you wouldnt get drugs off the guards in ireland especially if ur only being held 20hrs,its atleast a two day wait

 

[charlie clean]

There's nothing unlikely about Backroll's claims - 120 mg DHC and 10 mg valium is hardly likely to result in a police cell overdose - and the post doesn't deserve TriptotheMoon's vitriol. Maybe it's time, if not to kiss and make up, at least to halt the insults and stay on topic.

Back in the day, drug users caught at criminal pursuit faced a double punishment. They were not only locked up but left to suffer their 'cold turkey'. Apparently the tradition continues in Ireland although I hope Eireann doesn't speak from first hand experience.

 

[strungout2010]

Last time I got nabbed , I was given 40 mil phy tabs and 20 mil df' s , once the Dr checked I was scripted. I really think you got yourself a problem with Some people on here trip 2 the moon , mayby You and eireann should pall up and go talk bollocks with each other

 

[pinkpapaver]

I too suffer from he achey joints on one side and the burning ear syndrome. havent had it for a while tho.

yes, the dr. brewer stuff, i came across the original dr. brewer discussion when i was looking thru the older threads, thought id look him up on google and there was that article.

@ ructions yeh, im still working not in the state system anymore. my lad is not so little, he thinks he's taller than me but im not so sure

im so glad to be back in the bosom of bluelight.

i must add that any time ive stopped i do love the normal sleep that i have the normal getting to sleep and the waking up and feeling ready to get up.

gear does make me very lazy8) its funny isnt it? iget home whacked from work, and could probably just sit back and fall asleep quite nicely but what i do do is get gear and make myself more tired... its a bit like the way my dad used to get a fourpack after work. im not making much sense.. il get my words together later

 

[eireann]

strungout i was speaking about ireland i dont no the reasons but it takes two days to get treatment
so maybe u should stop trying to offend people and keep to a drug discussion did u not see the moderators posts????????

oh and alot of irish guards laugh at you delighted at the fact that ur rattling the english police look sound
again i have never dealt with them i have just seen them dealing with addicts on tv and they seem
grand although they have cameras in der faces