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Stimulants ADHD - is it that common? Does Adderall stop working?

littlepenguin said:
that is completely untrue.
amphetamines effect someone with ADD pretty much oppositely as it would effect someone without ADD.
For instance, I have ADHD, and if I took a normal dose of adderall or vyvanse or whatever else, I fall asleep very very quickly. I have to overdose (well, not overdose, but take a pretty large amount) for it to effect me as a stimulant.

People with add or adhd have abnormal amounts of dopamine flowing between the synapses in the brain. Usually higher than most. The medication actually binds and blocks receptors to slow things down a little bit in those with add; as opposed to someone sans add with 'normal' dopaminergic levels, where it just floods the brain with dopamine, hence creating the effects known to most as speedy.
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If you truly fall asleep while on amphetamines, then you, sir, area god. I have sever ADHD, and while I don't experience traditional "speedy" effects from adderall, I definitely dont get tired. I get stimulated, but almost as if I'm being brought from below baseline back up to just above baseline, but still feeling altered significantly. I get relaxed, but not sedated, and I think youve got your info mixed up a little bit.
 
Bigfanofthemdrugs - I fall asleep on my meds too if I don't have any reason/stimulation to keep me awake. But yeah, brain chemistry is so fascinating and there are no "one size fits all" models to go by. What a species we are. :)
 
I've definitely gotten tired off of dextroamphetamine. Makes sense thats its cause the lower dose. Ya learn something new every day :D
 
This is an awesome topic you have presented for discussion, Artificial Emotion! I truly believe that there is surely no epidemic of ADHD coursing through the United States, however, there IS an epidemic of a population spiraling uncontrollably into the deceptive lure of addiction via prescription pad-happy doctors that are all too happy to misdiagnose and heavily medicate their patients. We are a hopelessly worsening chemically-altered nation of people. Parents are too lazy to use patience with a slightly overactive child, instead they choose to put their kid on a drug to mellow them out without them having to make any extra effort, such as making sure they're getting enough healthy physical activity and a balanced diet. Also, I know for a fact that most of the people I've come across who are prescribed adderall either use it for recreation, or sell it to others who want to. When I was prescribed adderall I simply researched the symptoms of ADD, and repeated them to my doctor, acting as though I was a concerned patient who just wanted to know what was wrong with her... and so, he wrote me a prescription of course! The problem with adderall is even if you are taking it correctly, the effectiveness of the drug fades away the longer you use it. I loved adderall and consumed it excessively for years before I realized it was melting my brain and I was wasting away into a mindless shell of a person. It's not healthy to stay up for 4 straight days speeding! Anyway, back to the topic: I whole-heartedly believe adderall is not the appropriate cure for ADD, but is a powerful stimulant that will ultimately lead to a need for higher and higher dosages. It's evil.... and so is cocaine. But at least adderall doesn't wear off after only 20 minutes, heh
 
Most of the misdiagnosed are in younger kids that parents cant control so they automatically assume that it is ADHD. When really it is lack of good parenting.
 
thecowpuncher said:
Most of the misdiagnosed are in younger kids that parents cant control so they automatically assume that it is ADHD. When really it is lack of good parenting.
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This, and it's not just the parents who are to blame, it's the teachers too, who are also not completely to blame, as they are trying to do their best on an embarrassingly low budget. Most teachers have to pay out of their own pocket and salaries the equipment to keep their classrooms running, not to mention that class size is increasing to the point where it's not uncommon, at least in CA, to have classes of 40 students (this is also WAY before highschool, like even in elementary/middleschool).

A friend of the family is a teacher and she was telling me about how horrible it is, she has kids with ADHD and also Autism, Dyslexia, Aspergers, etc. and other major learning disabilities and it is just ONE teacher trying to meet the education needs for over FORTY students. If you follow the money trail (or lack thereof) it traces back to the government, heh...
 
Cloudy said:
The military finding amphetamines unreliable doesn't mean that the drug stopped working. The way they were using amphetamines was the problem. Like I said, abusing a drug will always result in a loss of efficiency and the way they were using the drug was in a very negative fashion with negative side-effects on the pilots which made it's use unsafe.
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Unless you are going to use the exact drug name we can't really have a discussion. I never said amphetamines could stop working, I said Adderall would.
 
Adderral isn't an exact drug name, it is a trade name for a specific quantity and ratio of different amphetamine salts. The addition of some Levo-amphetamine isn't going to deminish the efficiency of the drug by any reasonable amount so I have no idea what you ad talking about. Also more consumers of the adderall formulation aren't actually getting adderall they are getting a generic version of the formulation, amphetamine salts.
 
Cloudy said:
Adderral isn't an exact drug name, it is a trade name for a specific quantity and ratio of different amphetamine salts. The addition of some Levo-amphetamine isn't going to deminish the efficiency of the drug by any reasonable amount so I have no idea what you ad talking about. Also more consumers of the adderall formulation aren't actually getting adderall they are getting a generic version of the formulation, amphetamine salts.
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Here's what I'm talking about:

Amphetamines usually come as sulfates so when he says amphetamines, I understand amphetamine sulfate. Adderall is only 50% sulfate, the other 2 salts are saccharate and aspartate monohydrate. They don't have the same absorption rates as the sulfate brah! ^_______________________________________^

If you get amphetamine oxazolidinonate or d-amphetamine-L-lysine carboxylate (vyvanse), it's like sugar pills.

My popularity on bluelight has decreased by 50%! Does anyone care that Ksa means "kick some ass"? LOL
 
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I care! :)

I don't want to hijack the thread, but I was wondering if you have any sources showing whether or not there is any permanent norepinephrine and/or dopamine depletion with long term (say 5 years+) for amphetamine salts of any kind. I had posted something on that but never could find scholarly resources for it. (???) Of course Big Pharma might not want such info to get out...might mean less customers.
Ksa said:
My popularity on bluelight has decreased by 50%! Does anyone care that Ksa means "kick some ass"? LOL
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Seriously the only reason I even comment on this so much is because it pisses me off how I know people who have adderall scripts, and they are always telling me how I'm boring and shit, and I really want to tell them to stop taking fucking adderall and see what you're like when you're not on it. It's a huge difference in how you behave and perceive things, especially for people who take it daily.
 
thecowpuncher said:
Most of the misdiagnosed are in younger kids that parents cant control so they automatically assume that it is ADHD. When really it is lack of good parenting.
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You're half right, the whole environment/diet most kids have these days breeds ADHD. But, a big part of the issue is how toxic our current chemical environment is, the whole BPA scare was just the tip of the iceberg in terms of endocrine/epigenetic disruptors issue. Gross cognitive impairment is easy enough to call ADHD in many cases...
 
as i read on the front page, i believe that my prescribed medicine at less than 10 years old ( ADHD ) helped lead me on to find better ( harder ) drugs that make me feel better. which led to my addictions and most of my problems. i know i can not prove it led to my addictions, but at 11 i was trying pot, alcohol and cigarettes. which i use everyday to this day, besides the alcohol which i used to use everyday, but slowed down alot. its almost to me, that adhd medication is a gateway drug. i might be full of shit, but these are just my own thoughts.
 
tricomb said:
This, and it's not just the parents who are to blame, it's the teachers too, who are also not completely to blame, as they are trying to do their best on an embarrassingly low budget. Most teachers have to pay out of their own pocket and salaries the equipment to keep their classrooms running, not to mention that class size is increasing to the point where it's not uncommon, at least in CA, to have classes of 40 students (this is also WAY before highschool, like even in elementary/middleschool).

A friend of the family is a teacher and she was telling me about how horrible it is, she has kids with ADHD and also Autism, Dyslexia, Aspergers, etc. and other major learning disabilities and it is just ONE teacher trying to meet the education needs for over FORTY students. If you follow the money trail (or lack thereof) it traces back to the government, heh...
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^^This

This shit needs to stop, CA is the worst for schools

HHazard20 said:
define dangerous? its just amphetamines... people have been using it for decades for non-add reasons.
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It's dangerous with or without ADHD... It's AMPHETAMINES, the most powerful stimulant family of drugs that we use. It can cause neurotoxicity, paranoia, heart problems, and much more health complications. You can't say that they're just amphetamines. Sure, they're easily available and relatively mild (assuming we're not talking abotput methamphetamine) but if you had ever experienced amp psychosis youd never question whether they were dangerous or not.
 
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fallout said:
as i read on the front page, i believe that my prescribed medicine at less than 10 years old ( ADHD ) helped lead me on to find better ( harder ) drugs that make me feel better. which led to my addictions and most of my problems. i know i can not prove it led to my addictions, but at 11 i was trying pot, alcohol and cigarettes. which i use everyday to this day, besides the alcohol which i used to use everyday, but slowed down alot. its almost to me, that adhd medication is a gateway drug. i might be full of shit, but these are just my own thoughts.
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Or could it be because people with ADHD are very likely to use drugs? Many people who aren't prescribed anything for their ADHD or don't even realize they have ADHD until later in life use drugs from a young age. It's often unconscious self-medicating.
 
I personally think that it's used and dispensed by the government to enslave us.

Just my 0.2 ct
 
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