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Misc need insight on Cobra

DooMMooD said:
Firstly, what other "poisons are drugs"? And if you name shrooms I will seriously disregard everything else you say. I guess alcohol could qualify, although considering all the damage alcohol does it kinda proves that thats way worse for you than it is beneficial. I know you dont want to waste your time naming them, but I'd like to see which overlap

A poison acting on certain receptors is very different than a drug acting on them. A poison "causes and leads to injury and death", by definition, whereas a drug is "A substance that has a physiological effect when ingested or otherwise introduced into the body, in particular." I guess some can overlap, and this is why opiates could qualify as poisons, huh? Although most drugs I have done aren't inherently poisonous.

Secondly anecdotal reports on the internet aren't exactly fact. A lot of people wrote online about how high jenkem got them, or how rubbing toothpaste on their nipples got them high. And i'm not exactly about to run to the store for a bottle of crest cavity protection.

I guess if you test it out let us know. I for sure wont be the BL guinea pig lol. Just seriously weigh the risks/rewards of the scenario.
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Drugs are poisons. Poisons, like drugs, have pharmacological properties that can be beneficial or they can be dangerous. Drugs are also capable of causing injury and death, so I don't get your point.
 
well if you compare the risks of a snakebite to jacking up heroin or desomorphine, I would rather get bitten by a snake than jack up any of those two...
 
RattleSnake said:
well if you compare the risks of a snakebite to jacking up heroin or desomorphine, I would rather get bitten by a snake than jack up any of those two...
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Why? The lethal human dose for snake venom and its components are far, far more toxic than heroin or desomorphine can ever be. For example, the subcutaneous LD50 for a Cape cobra is 0.7 mg/kg while heroin is 57 mg/kg. There are far more venomous snakes than the Cape cobra - taipans, tiger snakes, black mamba, eastern brown snake, etc.
 
well if you take desomorphine once you have 2 choices: 1. amputation and 2. slow and agonising death that could take about 3 years... imagine literally falling apart for 3 years and then dying... I would rather die of a snakebite...
 
^It's not the desomorphine that is caustic and damaging, rather the iodine and other chemicals they use in its kitchen-chemistry conversion from codeine to desomorphine that are left over and injected.
 
I know but desomorphine has never past the approval to be used in medicinal purposes for it was only being tested as a morphine substitute that should have been less addictive, and turned out to be more addictive so the trials were terminated, therefor there is no clean desomorphine and you can only get krokodil which is impure to that level it causes your flesh to fall off... so it brings me back to my point, I would rather not live than go to the grocery store and forget my arm/leg there...
 
^Not to derail this thread even more, but the desomorphine could be seperated from the other shit. They just don't, because it is beyond their grasp.
 
RattleSnake said:
I know but desomorphine has never past the approval to be used in medicinal purposes for it was only being tested as a morphine substitute that should have been less addictive, and turned out to be more addictive so the trials were terminated, therefor there is no clean desomorphine and you can only get krokodil which is impure to that level it causes your flesh to fall off... so it brings me back to my point, I would rather not live than go to the grocery store and forget my arm/leg there...
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Desomorphine was/is used medically in both Switzerland and Austria and it is no more addictive than morphine is. It is roughly the same potency as hydromorphone, but with a more similar side effect profile to morphine and heroin.
 
ok I'm not going to derail this anymore so if anyone finds out more about snakebites being drugs post it here... not only about cobras coz I found something about rattlesnakes too but with them the ED and LD overlap so it's hard to get high without dying, so there might be more snakes that can be used to get high, maybe some safer ones (?)
 
it is done by holding the snake right below the head so it can't bite you, then you take a container which has a membrane, get the snake to bite into the membrane and the venom is left in the container... it's not rocket science, it's very fucking simple... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCPRlcqhfhU&feature=related and that is exactly how it's done... like I said, do you cut an apple tree down to get apples off of it? please stop embarrassing yourself now, ok? you're wrong, stop arguing...
 
Well using cobra venom to get high doesn't seem to be a myth, there are several reported cases of heroin addicts in India paying snake charmers to let them get bitten!

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/08897077.2011.540482

http://www.jpgmonline.com/article.a...e=36;issue=4;spage=233;epage=4;aulast=Pradhan

However these cases all involve actually getting bitten by the snake. I would have thought that drying the venom would denature the proteins and render it inactive, and even if this didn't, eating the dried venom would almost certainly destroy it when the proteins are digested in the stomach. Think of the Phyllomedusa bicolor frog venom containing dermorphin and related peptides, that certainly is active if used in the correct way, but it is entirely inactive when eaten.

If these were reports of people getting the dried snake venom and re-constituting it by mixing with water then injecting it, then I'd find it more believable, but "dried cobra venom pills" sold at raves just sounds like a marketing scam to part rich Indian teenagers from their money...
 
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I seem to remember watching something on TV about venomous snakes and how they collect their venom.

They take the snake's head between their fingers and have it bite the side of a glass jar with a balloon stretched over the top of it...

The snake's fangs or teeth or whatever bite through the balloon and the venom then drips into the collection jar. Snake goes back into its tank, cage or whatever.... epic win for everyone.
 
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You know what to do.
 
"...we are stardust. The elements in our bodies are the same that were present at the big bang". Sounds like an episode of 'through the wormhole with morgan freeman' lol
 
mad_scientist said:
If these were reports of people getting the dried snake venom and re-constituting it by mixing with water then injecting it, then I'd find it more believable, but "dried cobra venom pills" sold at raves just sounds like a marketing scam to part rich Indian teenagers from their money...
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well the reports of dried venom say it "gives the user increased energy" and people who were bitten report more of a opiate/hallucinogen effect so, the dried venom might have something that is not a protein that acts as a stimulant, or by breaking up the proteins into simple molecules one molecule from the bunch might be psychoactive... but that is just my opinion, this is not a subject we know a lot about...
 
Yes, juvenile cobra venom is used to get high by youth in India. However, this practice is very rare. Deaths have also been attributed to this kind of practice.

A bite from a cobra (even an adult cobra) is not automatically a death sentence, even without medical treatment. Believe it or not, mortality rate for untreated Indian cobra (species: Naja naja) tends to be 10% and under depending on different sets of data and studies. A lot of people can ride out a cobra bite, but its not smart to sit back and do that. Medical treatment should always be acquired. This is the case for most cobra species, except the Philippine cobra, which has quite a high mortality rate.

The only venomous snake species on earth that has a 100% mortality rate in untreated victims is the black mamba. A bite is guaranteed to end in death very rapidly without antivenom and mechanical ventilation.
 
well there is one survivor, I remember reading somewhere about it but can't remember where, anyway one boy was bitten by a black mamba and survived only because the snake had previously bitten and killed 8 oxes and the boys father and ran out of venom...
 
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