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Swimming while Rolling?

Chemically Insane said:
LSD os also a hallucinogen... amphetamines are considered "performance enhancing"...
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What?

Speed will only help you in any performance other than sex in low doses... MDMA is basically the same. Psychedelics aren't known to cause a racing heart anywhere near as much as MDMA. It is just my personal suggestion, I think it would not only be safer but a much better experience as well :)
 
Yeah I haven't touched LSD or any other Hallucinogen and I don't feel I have a need to yet in my life so I'm not all to interested in trying this with anything other than mdma. I am not to concerned about the raised pulse and blood pressure mainly because when you dive your goal is to control your heart rate to make your air last. The calmer you are the longer your air lasts which means more bottom time. Blood pressure I'm not to sure on but I'm sure just chilling underwater relaxing might help counteract the increase from the mdma? If not it can't be any worse than when at a rave dancing all night for blood pressure. Anyways thanks for all the input.
 
DJDirtyMoney said:
I am not to concerned about the raised pulse and blood pressure mainly because when you dive your goal is to control your heart rate to make your air last. The calmer you are the longer your air lasts which means more bottom time.
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That's why I was expressing some concern though, on a heavy stimulant it would be a lot harder to get control of your heart rate...


From dancesafe:
125mg of MDMA will increase a person's resting heart rate approximately 30 beats per minute. MDMA produces a significant increase in heart rate and blood pressure. This means that people with heart conditions are more vulnerable to heart attacks or other heart complications if they take MDMA.
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^ That's quite subjective, LSD keeps me aware of my surroundings while MDMA makes me completely forget about them... (short term memory). Personally if I was tripping I would probably be checking all my equipment like 5 times, where on MDMA I wouldn't have a worry in the world and would just want to get down there lol...
 
Folley said:
That's why I was expressing some concern though, on a heavy stimulant it would be a lot harder to get control of your heart rate...
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I'm sorry I should have gone in more depth. As I was saying a good diver can easily control their heart rate and can make it drop as much as 40 bpm (no source just a few divers I know claim to be able to do that) I'm not the most skilled diver in the world but last time I checked my average bpm dropped by 20 bmp, so that would be a total gain of +10bmp. That would still be nothing compared to a rave.

Honestly I have no interest of trying this on lsd so this debate you two are engaged in is pointless. (trying not to sound like a dick here) But you might as well just drop that subject until someone asks about it more.

Anyways the heart rate increase doesn't seem to be too much (no more than a rave), temperature would not be an issue because of the cool water, one thing I'm not to certain on is the blood pressure but being in a relaxed trance like state of mind underwater couldn't possibly raise it more than a rave could it?
 
DJDirtyMoney said:
Anyways the heart rate increase doesn't seem to be too much (no more than a rave), temperature would not be an issue because of the cool water, one thing I'm not to certain on is the blood pressure but being in a relaxed trance like state of mind underwater couldn't possibly raise it more than a rave could it?
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It's not the direct effects of a BP raise on MDMA that you should be worried about, but the effects that it's going to have on your oxygen supply and ability to stay calm... You say you can lower your heart rate, but are you sure you're going to be able to do that on a stimulant type drug? I mean the drug is going to force your heart rate up, I don't think you would just be able to will it down like you can while sober...


I don't know much, if anything about scuba so I can't get technical, but I just don't see a high heart rate and BP being safe while diving.... not to mention on drugs like that I often breathe "weird", either too deeply or almost like hyperventilation... wouldn't that be a problem as well?
 
I want to see your source that says LSD is safer than MDMA when scuba diving...

I think youll be hard pressed to find any medical information on the subject... so please dont make assumptions and tell someone to take LSD instead of ecstasy because "its safer"...
 
Chemically Insane said:
I want to see your source that says LSD is safer than MDMA when scuba diving...

I think youll be hard pressed to find any medical information on the subject... so please dont make assumptions and tell someone to take LSD instead of ecstasy because "its safer"...
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Considering I can't even find a source that says how much LSD will raise BP, and that MDMA is widely known to significantly raise it, I completely stand by what I said.Safer is a subjective word as well, what does that mean to you?


This is going no where and it's not helping the good DJ, so you can drop it, no?



Asking me for a source for something completely ridiculous isn't helping anyone buddy
 
Well this is why I would take the appropriate safety precautions so if something does go wrong I could just swim right to the surface. Things such as not going deep (so I don't risk decompression sickness and getting Nitrogen Narcosis), keep an eye on my air supply (oxygen become toxic at like 15' under the surface just so you know ;)) having someone with me in case of emergency, and definitely test this is a pool first starting in the shallow end and seeing how I react and if I don't feel safe I can just stand up take off my gear and go for a normal swim.

To tackle the issue of breathing "weird" that you bring up, well quite frankly I have never had that issue while rolling unless I am doing physical movement (dancing) for long periods of time. And the most physical thing in diving is moving your gear from your car to the beach/boat. Underwater you are weightless and only kick when you have to.

As for the high BP yes that is not the greatest thing while diving, but if I can keep the environment stress free (like in a swimming pool) it would significantly lower the safety risk. People with high BP problems dive all the time and are certified through PADI (Professional Association of Diving Instructors) so I don't see anything wrong with doing this once or twice in a stress free environment.

I do get where you are coming from with your points and what not but being a fairly experienced diver and a fairly experienced mdma user I feel that the points your brought up aren't life threatening, but they still should be treated like nothing which is why I am taking the appropriate safety precautions so ensure my own safety.

Please feel free to bring up more things because I should know as many of potential dangers as I can before I try this. (Not going to be for a long time though haha)
 
DJDirtyMoney said:
I do get where you are coming from with your points and what not but being a fairly experienced diver and a fairly experienced mdma user I feel that the points your brought up aren't life threatening, but they still should be treated like nothing which is why I am taking the appropriate safety precautions so ensure my own safety.
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If you have a good amount of experience you should be just fine, I just wanted to be sure you were aware of the dangers I had in mind :) I thought you were going out in the ocean for the first time, in a stress free place like a pool should be just fine!

Chemically Insane said:
Its ridiculous when i ask for a source but not when you claim it is common knowledge?
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You're asking for a source that you know doesn't exist... I could post like 5 studies right now that say that MDMA raises heart rate, and I already did provide a source for that actually...
So yes, that is ridiculous.
 
Folley said:
I thought you were going out in the ocean for the first time
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Yeah I don't think that would ever really be safe enough to do while diving. Where I live the water temperature rarely gets above 60° F so you would have to wear a dry suit and risk overheating, and the tropics the water temperature can get up to 100°F so overheating is guaranteed to happen. So I'll just keep it to the pool when/if I ever get around to trying this.
 
Wouldn't the water be cooler than on land though? I guess the sun would heat it just as hot..


I'd probably go to California or Miami or something, where it's hot enough to swim, but not over 100



Oh, and just to clarify, the breathing "weird" thing isn't constant, but when I'm floored by euphoria a lot of the time I'll start breathing REALLY deep and fast and almost moan with every breath lol
 
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