Can the first dose ultimately make or break a rolls intensity?

[Adeezz]

I'm wondering whether the first initial dose of mdma, if too little, can wreck ones roll?

So in my scenario – I have tested pills which contain mdma but don't know how strong they are. So I'm planning to do 1 pill to start with. If this is not enough then I would dose more a bit later. But can this actually be done effectively and still create a roll just as strong? Say one felt no effect after about 1 hour after the first dose, would taking an extra dose kick start the roll just as effectively as if one were to take a proper dose the first time? In other words, can taking smaller doses of mdma to reach the needed amount for ones tolerance be just as effective as taking the correct initial dose the first time? Or can the delay in doses effect the overall total release of serotonin and therefore weakening or even ruining the roll?

 

[Folley]

The first dose is always the best, and will release the most serotonin. Any re-dose after that is going to be drastically less effective.

Where are you from, and what pills? In the US one pill can be a barely threshold dose, in Holland it can be too much...


also, check your pills on pillreports.com so you can get some "reviews" on them

 

[Adeezz]

The first dose is always the best, and will release the most serotonin. Any re-dose after that is going to be drastically less effective.

Where are you from, and what pills? In the US one pill can be a barely threshold dose, in Holland it can be too much...

also, check your pills on pillreports.com so you can get some "reviews" on them

I'm from Australia. The pills I have are green euros which are cited to be good and medium strength, but quite a few people on pill reports are stating that they are mda.

 

[Yyhow88]

Its always best to check pills online before buying
I like the ones with user experience, however everyone is different, but kinda gets you in the ball park
Personally, i always hit the first one harder because like Folley said, first dose is the dose that is release most of ur serotonins
Mdma and ecstasy i think is kind of a one time thing
I always redose knowing the fact it wont be like the first, but it keeps me there in the game
I dont think thats recommended tho

 

[Adeezz]

So what if I screw up the first dose and take too little. And then one hour later I realise this? Have I ruined the intensity the roll might reach for the night by not taking enough the first time?

 

[Folley]

So what if I screw up the first dose and take too little. And then one hour later I realise this? Have I ruined the intensity the roll might reach for the night by not taking enough the first time?

I once got a pill for free from my dealer because he dropped it in the rain lol, anyways I had a really light roll, and thought I should get some more. I walked all the way to his house and chewed 2 more, but it did nothing... same pills, but little to no effect.

Only an hour afterwards you can still salvage something, but it's still not going to be as good as the first dose.

 

[lego_man]

The first time I did it was with the pure crystal form, I only took a tiny piece and within 30 minutes I was in the twilight zone. It felt like absolute heaven a bit of hallucagenic effects, everything was amazing to touch and a hug was the best thing ever. I didn't know anything about MDMA I hadn't read a thing, I took another bit a little later amd continued, it was amazing. Gurned my cheeks away that night and was up all hours chatting absolute crap but well worth it.

Since then I have been in lego pills which are the only ones I can get hold of and I have had some really good experiences from them. I wouldn't worry about the dose too much personally, I don't find MDMA to be a moreish drug, once you've hit the spot and rolling that's it .. enjoy!

 

[JWills20]

Gunna have to disagree somewhat here and say that it doesn't affect it providing you have not breached the threshold dose. What I mean is, say your pills are 50mg MDMA, you take one, don't feel ANYTHING an hour later then take one more and begin to roll 2 hours after the first pill it will be the same intensity as dropping 100mg all at once. Since the first pill didn't significantly affect the serotonin mechanism, it is in effect, not a 'first dose' so to say.

I believe this purely upon my first experience where I consumed a rough amount of small crystals, not to feel anything. 2 and half hours later I took a larger amount of crystals and 45 minutes after I rolled for like 5 hours with euphoria like nothing i'd ever felt. Now I have a set of scales I realise the first dose was tiny, maybe 30mg max whereas the second was far larger 60-70mg. This is all eyeball-dosing though.

Once you begin to feel a roll the re-dosing will be far less effective and potentially more damaging.

 

[Darksidesam]

The first dose is the most important one, and i tend to only dose once when i do mdma anyway.

When you redose, your mainly getting the Stimulant feeling from the mdma, not the 'loved up' empthatic feelings.

This of course, could vary, for example:

Someone taking say 80mg mdma and saying an hour later "i dont quite feel it"
Then they bombing another 100mg, then hour later they are wrecked.

Thats why getting your first dose the right amount is important.

100mg - 120mg i say,
100mg for new users of mdma.

 

[Cz_x]

Not read the thread, apologies if it's been said before. I always thought it was common practice to dose high first and then take another dose that's about 1/3 of the initial one 30-40 minutes later.

It's painful watching people start small and work their way up to a large dose throughout the night. Even worse if you try and tell them.

The first dose is the most important one, and i tend to only dose once when i do mdma anyway.

When you redose, your mainly getting the Stimulant feeling from the mdma, not the 'loved up' empthatic feelings.

I always try telling people that it'll gradually turn them into a jittery mess and after the 4th or 5th hour they may aswell be doing lines of speed.

 

[Folley]

Gunna have to disagree somewhat here and say that it doesn't affect it providing you have not breached the threshold dose. What I mean is, say your pills are 50mg MDMA, you take one, don't feel ANYTHING an hour later then take one more and begin to roll 2 hours after the first pill it will be the same intensity as dropping 100mg all at once. Since the first pill didn't significantly affect the serotonin mechanism, it is in effect, not a 'first dose' so to say.

I believe this purely upon my first experience where I consumed a rough amount of small crystals, not to feel anything. 2 and half hours later I took a larger amount of crystals and 45 minutes after I rolled for like 5 hours with euphoria like nothing i'd ever felt. Now I have a set of scales I realise the first dose was tiny, maybe 30mg max whereas the second was far larger 60-70mg. This is all eyeball-dosing though.

Once you begin to feel a roll the re-dosing will be far less effective and potentially more damaging.

Even if you don't feel the first dose, it's still doing its job in pumping out large amounts of serotonin


Other doses after the first sure can get you high, but the quality of that high is going to be much more diminished..

 

[JWills20]

Even if you don't feel the first dose, it's still doing its job in pumping out large amounts of serotonin


Other doses after the first sure can get you high, but the quality of that high is going to be much more diminished..

How can it be pumping out large amounts of serotonin if you can't feel it? My next roll of 130mg all at once was not as euphoric as that first time with 3 months break, exercise daily and a good diet.

Effectively what your saying is if you take even 1mg as your first dose its the main serotonin release your going to feel which just can't be true. Once you've breached the 'threshold dose' and begin to feel the effects, the re-dosing is far less effective. Thats my opinion.

On the flip side, dosing 10mg every 30 minutes or so till you reach an expected dose of 100-120 would probably also not get you rolling. Far too many variables of metabolism, individual reactions, tolerance etc. However, within reason I don't think the initial serotonin released from a smaller dose followed by a larger dose would significantly affect your roll.

 

[Folley]

1mg, no that would cause probably no change at all...


But even 25mgs is going to cause a release of serotonin, 50mgs is a quite active dose and is going to cause a substantial release of serotonin. You don't always "feel" serotonin release, serotonin makes up only a small amount of MDMA's high anyways...


The first dose WILL be the most effective, like I said other doses after that might still work but if you would have just taken it in one dose it will have been much better

 

[JWills20]

1mg, no that would cause probably no change at all...

The first dose WILL be the most effective, like I said other doses after that might still work but if you would have just taken it in one dose it will have been much better

These two contradict each other. How can a first dose of 1mg be the most effective but not cause any change?

But even 25mgs is going to cause a release of serotonin, 50mgs is a quite active dose and is going to cause a substantial release of serotonin. You don't always "feel" serotonin release, serotonin makes up only a small amount of MDMA's high anyways...

Complete BS - serotonin regulates our mood, sleep patterns, emotions etc so how do we simply not feel it at an apparently 'active' dose of 50mg. If 50mg is 'active' why don't we take 50mg instead? Because its not an active dose, it can't be or 100mg would be 2 times an active dose and extremely intense.

Serotonin is primarily responsible for the MDMA high unless you're going to contradict everything out there and prove otherwise?

 

[Folley]

MDMA is active at 25mgs dude, I don't see what you're trying to say...


1mg wouldn't be effective because it's under the threshold dose (25mg), which is where MDMA becomes noticeable. Serotonin release does not immediately get you high, I'll say it again. Oxytocin, Norepinephrine, dopamine and quite a few other neurochemicals are also effected when you take MDMA, if they weren't also released, then that serotonin release would equate to almost nothing.



The first dose IS the most effective, after that you're brain is already starting recovery of the serotonin released. Again you can still get high, but it's not going to be as effective as if you were just to take it all in one dose.

 

[llama112]

The first dose is the most important, yeah. I've found that when I take too little as a first dose, I just can't get "there".