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Opioids Cold Water Extraction - Emergency

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Did a cold water extraction last night on around 44 pills of 500/30/8mg paracetamol/caffeine/codeine and I thought it was very accurate as there was only a cloudy mixture left in the water I used and there was a fuck load of powder left on the multiple tissues I used. However, I drank the shit last night and while the high was grand at first I eventually began to feel quite nauseous and nearly got sick. Woke up this morning feeling like shit and puked up so many times since then. What are the chances I overdosed on paracetamol? How much of it would have dissolved in the water?
 
Are you showing any signs of liver problems besides vomiting ? Especially like yellowing of the skin or eyes, even slightly ? Also, since it is the tylanol that you are so concerned about, why don't you go to the hospital ? People hurt themselves every day with that shit, it's not going to make you look bad to go there and tell them that you may have taken too much tylenol. Just a thought.

-Sunshine.
 
Are you showing any signs of liver problems besides vomiting ? Especially like yellowing of the skin or eyes, even slightly ? Also, since it is the tylanol that you are so concerned about, why don't you go to the hospital ? People hurt themselves every day with that shit, it's not going to make you look bad to go there and tell them that you may have taken too much tylenol. Just a thought.

-Sunshine.

I can't go to hospital because it's an hour drive away and my mother would need to take me so I'd have to tell her about how stupid I've been. I don't see any yellowness at all. I took over 300mg of codeine, by the way. I'm just afraid because I used an awful lot of water to dissolve the tablets, how much paracetamol could have been dissolved?
 
Well Paracetamol is water soluble, and it depends on the temperature of the water as well. Higher temp, higher solubility. Couldn't you tell your mom the same thing ? That you accidentally took too much tylenol and that you are afraid it has torn your liver up ? Say you where sick, and everytime you woke up you dosed again, not knowing what time it was. Shit, I have done that myself, so it's not like it is not possible you know ?

I have scared myself several times with tylenol, always fearing I used to much and my liver was toast, however nothing has ever came of it. I personally wouldn't worry about it, but I don't know you, don't know how you handle things, don't know if you panic when you really shouldn't, and that is why I keep saying go to the ER. If you refuse to go, then keep an eye on all the symptoms of liver failure/stress and if they start becoming very pronounced, get your ass some help. GL, and feel better.

-Sunshine.
 
Did a cold water extraction last night on around 44 pills of 500/30/8mg paracetamol/caffeine/codeine and I thought it was very accurate as there was only a cloudy mixture left in the water I used and there was a fuck load of powder left on the multiple tissues I used. However, I drank the shit last night and while the high was grand at first I eventually began to feel quite nauseous and nearly got sick. Woke up this morning feeling like shit and puked up so many times since then. What are the chances I overdosed on paracetamol? How much of it would have dissolved in the water?

Caffeine is soluble in cold water. Quite soluble. IME, and IMO, you likely overdosed on the caffeine. Shitty, shitty stuff. It's much more likely than an APAP-overdose, seriously.

I can't tell you how much APAP dissolved, without such things as volume and temperature measurements. But if you did it at all right, and used proper filtering, then you should be in the clear; not much at all SHOULD dissolve.

How did you do the CWE?

Look at how much caffeine was in there. 1320mg. Let's say ~1gram, due to losses, could be a little less or more. That's TEN strong cups of coffee, at once.

Well Paracetamol is water soluble, and it depends on the temperature of the water as well. Higher temp, higher solubility. Couldn't you tell your mom the same thing ? That you accidentally took too much tylenol and that you are afraid it has torn your liver up ? Say you where sick, and everytime you woke up you dosed again, not knowing what time it was. Shit, I have done that myself, so it's not like it is not possible you know ?

I have scared myself several times with tylenol, always fearing I used to much and my liver was toast, however nothing has ever came of it. I personally wouldn't worry about it, but I don't know you, don't know how you handle things, don't know if you panic when you really shouldn't, and that is why I keep saying go to the ER. If you refuse to go, then keep an eye on all the symptoms of liver failure/stress and if they start becoming very pronounced, get your ass some help. GL, and feel better.

-Sunshine.

Good advice. Keep an eye on symptoms. But, at the same time, don't panic. That wouldn't help you even if it were appropriate to your situation.



EDIT:

Just so you know, solubility of caffeine at boiling is 66g/100ml. I think it's roughly 2g at room temperature. I know it is less soluble in cold water, but it still makes a huge difference. I'd say you had the potential to dissolve ~1gram. Check out caffeine overdose symptoms. The nausea is one of them.




FURTHER EDIT:

Caffeine stimulates the central nervous system and can produce different symptoms through out the rest of the body. Some times people experience a caffeine overdose (“caffeinism”).The effects varies according to individual body size and type and the amount of caffeine consumed. Doses ranging from 250 to 750 mg ,which is 2 to 7 cups of coffee, this can produce restlessness, nausea, headache, sleep disturbances, and irregular heart beats. In some cases it may also causes an eating disorder called anorexia. Doses of over 750 mg ,seven cups of coffee, can produce a reaction similar to an anxiety attack: the symptoms include being delirious, ringing ears, and light flashes.

-http://thecaffeinepage.com/caffeine-overdose

Caffeine overdose can result in a state of central nervous system over-stimulation called caffeine intoxication (DSM-IV 305.90),[39] or colloquially the "caffeine jitters". The symptoms of caffeine intoxication are comparable to the symptoms of overdoses of other stimulants: they may include restlessness, fidgeting, anxiety, excitement, insomnia, flushing of the face, increased urination, gastrointestinal disturbance, muscle twitching, a rambling flow of thought and speech, irritability, irregular or rapid heart beat, and psychomotor agitation.[49] In cases of much larger overdoses, mania, depression, lapses in judgment, disorientation, disinhibition, delusions, hallucinations, or psychosis may occur, and rhabdomyolysis (breakdown of skeletal muscle tissue) can be provoked.[50][51]

Extreme overdose can result in death.[52][53] The median lethal dose (LD50) given orally, is 192 milligrams per kilogram in rats. The LD50 of caffeine in humans is dependent on individual sensitivity, but is estimated to be about 150 to 200 milligrams per kilogram of body mass or roughly 80 to 100 cups of coffee for an average adult.[4] Though achieving lethal dose with caffeine would be exceptionally difficult with regular coffee, there have been reported deaths from overdosing on caffeine pills, with serious symptoms of overdose requiring hospitalization occurring from as little as 2 grams of caffeine. An exception to this would be taking a drug such as fluvoxamine or levofloxacin, which blocks the liver enzyme responsible for the metabolism of caffeine, thus increasing the central effects and blood concentrations of caffeine five-fold.[51][52][53][54] Death typically occurs due to ventricular fibrillation caused by effects of caffeine on the cardiovascular system.

-Wikipedia (Bold Mine)

Basically:

-Heavy caffeine use ~ more than 500 to 600 mg a day, or about five and a half cups of coffee ~ can cause:
-Restlessness
-Anxiety
-Irritability
-Muscle tremors
-Sleeplessness
-Headaches
-Nausea, diarrhea or other gastrointestinal problems
-Abnormal heart rhythms

You likely took ~10% of the estimated LD50 of this drug. That's, like, a lot, bro. To compare, I would probably have to take roughly half a gram of pure methamphetamine to approach how close (to its LD50) you were to the estimated LD50 of caffeine.
 
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Did a cold water extraction last night on around 44 pills of 500/30/8mg paracetamol/caffeine/codeine and I thought it was very accurate as there was only a cloudy mixture left in the water I used and there was a fuck load of powder left on the multiple tissues I used. However, I drank the shit last night and while the high was grand at first I eventually began to feel quite nauseous and nearly got sick. Woke up this morning feeling like shit and puked up so many times since then. What are the chances I overdosed on paracetamol? How much of it would have dissolved in the water?

Dude you got nauseous and sick from the codeine, end of thread. Try taking some gravol and lieing down. If you start having severe abdominal/liver pain though then I'd go to the hospital but it sounds like you did just fine with your CWE extraction.
 
That's easily possible, too. You dosed a lot of codeine, and it's known to cause a good deal of nausea.
 
yeah ive had a caffeine overdose before (on no-doz -.-) and it was absolutely fucking terrible , completely ruined my stomach lining after vomiting for 16 hours , 14 of which was dry reaching and stomach bile .

paracetamols solubility in water is 12.7mg/1ml im pretty sure , check out the codeine and CWE megathread in ADD , theres heaps of useful information , reguarding this topic .
 
At 30 degress Celsius (86°F) expect at least 1g/70mL of APAP in solution, drop down 10°C (68°F) and so does the solubility - to ~1g/150mL. As far as overdose symptoms go, here's a few when struck with paracetamol toxicity:

  • Nausea
  • Sweating
  • Paleness
  • Jaundice of the skin and/or eyes
  • Lack of or increased appetite
  • Lower right quadrant pain
  • Coma
  • Death

Many people feel perfectly fine for the first 24 hours, and then gradually become sicker and sicker. If you've survived day 4, chances of death from the (potential) overdose fall drastically. Good luck.

EDIT: Medscape has a very detailed presentation of paracetamol overdose symptoms as a timeline:

Phase 1 (0-24 h)

Patients may be asymptomatic or report anorexia, nausea or vomiting, and malaise. Physical examination may reveal pallor and diaphoresis. A subclinical rise in serum transaminase levels begins approximately 12 hours after an acute ingestion.
Phase 2 (18-72 h)

Patients generally develop right upper quadrant abdominal pain, anorexia, nausea, and vomiting. Right upper quadrant tenderness, tachycardia, and hypotension may be present. There is a continued rise in serum transaminase levels.
Phase 3 (72-96 h)

Patients may have continued nausea and vomiting, abdominal pain, and a tender hepatic edge. Hepatic necrosis and dysfunction are associated with jaundice, coagulopathy, hypoglycemia, and hepatic encephalopathy. Acute renal failure develops in some critically ill patients. Death from multiorgan failure may occur.
Phase 4 (4 d to 3 wk)

Patients who survive critically illness in Phase 3 have complete resolution of symptoms and complete resolution of organ failure.

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/820200-clinical
 
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Thanks everyone, I did a good bit of research online but you've given me the best information of all.

I was most concerned as I already saw a GP before I posted this and he seemed to think it was a paracetamol overdose and subsequently referred me to the hospital. However, he hadn't heard of a CWE so, as arrogant as it sounds, I feel like I know more about how much damage I've caused than he does seeing as I saw how clear the codeine was and how much I ingested.

I was pretty concerned when he told me that if I did OD on paracetamol and didn't go to hospital for the antidote that I would need a liver transplant in two weeks. I don't believe it was paracetamol that made me sick though, 330mg of codeine is enough to make most people feel nauseous and it's almost twice my normal dose. Also, I vaguely remember taking crappy head shop pills about a year that were laced in caffeine and I remember the horrible nausea they gave me. It's also worth noting that I put my extracted codeine/caffeine into a bottle of coke, which is obviously full of caffeine.
 
dirty high from a dirty drug combo, CWE doesn't filter out caffeine or all the APAP. Could have been each of these drugs, likely it was the combination of all three.
 
Thanks everyone, I did a good bit of research online but you've given me the best information of all.

I was most concerned as I already saw a GP before I posted this and he seemed to think it was a paracetamol overdose and subsequently referred me to the hospital. However, he hadn't heard of a CWE so, as arrogant as it sounds, I feel like I know more about how much damage I've caused than he does seeing as I saw how clear the codeine was and how much I ingested.

I was pretty concerned when he told me that if I did OD on paracetamol and didn't go to hospital for the antidote that I would need a liver transplant in two weeks. I don't believe it was paracetamol that made me sick though, 330mg of codeine is enough to make most people feel nauseous and it's almost twice my normal dose. Also, I vaguely remember taking crappy head shop pills about a year that were laced in caffeine and I remember the horrible nausea they gave me. It's also worth noting that I put my extracted codeine/caffeine into a bottle of coke, which is obviously full of caffeine.

I'm glad to hear the good news. Keep an eye on it to be safe, but I'm of the opinion you're in the clear too. BTW, doctors, in general, IME, are often retardedly ignorant about heaps of things, especially related to recreational drugs. No offense to doctors, I'm sure the ones reading this aren't at all like that. ;)

Good luck, and may fortune smile upon your future endeavors.
 
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