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Hallucinogen with no mind f**k

2C-C is what you're looking for. It lasts about 4 hours from the time it hits until the time you're sober, and it's pretty much just visual eye candy. There's just about NO mental aspect to it at all, and I can't speak on behalf of the body load because when I did it I had done a line of K as well, but when I sobered up off the K, I remember just lying there enjoying the visuals.

As for everyone saying 2C-I is pretty gentle in terms of the mental aspect, it doesn't mean it's impossible to have a bad trip on - I've had a bad trip on it, and it sucked. It was just as bad as my bad trips on LSD or 2C-P. Then again, I was on a high dose of around 28-30 mg (with a tiny tolerance because I had done 24ish mg three days prior.)
 
Solipsis said:
Yeah you took too much and 2C-E can be very deep for a 2C. You dove in too fast with the wrong drug. 2C-E is meant for when you learn how to navigate deep trips.
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Oh and I finally got around to doing a higher dose than 8mg of 2ce.

Unfortunately I was aiming for 15, and the guy didn't tell me quickly enough to only take half... paid the same price as we originally did for the 8mg... how could I expect he'd give us 4x for the same price -_-;.

Anyways... 32mg of 2C-E... absolutely mindblowingly amazing. Both the girl I was with and me each had 32mg that night and had a blast. Though we wouldn't repeat it by choice, way to freaking intense. We left the building after 2 hours, and sat in the car for 3 hours just watching the show in our own minds until a friend of ours came out and knocked on our door saying "Y'all are still here!?! It closed an hour ago...." >_<;

Definitely not for those who can't hold it together :/

Mind fucked and entire visual field was one big swirling fractal of colors. Fun... but damn... shit kicked my brain's ass.
 
The lowest dose 4-HO-MET trip I took was 10 mg. I dissolved in water and took it orally. My friend did the same. The onset was fairly fast. We were feeling it within 15 minutes. We were peaking at 45 minutes to 1 hour. The trip was similar in duration to a mushroom trip. It was more visual than mushrooms, with less of a mind fuck. I was seeing patterns in my denim jeans and other fabrics, as well as on the walls. I also find it to be fairly sexually arousing.
 
Aetherius Rimor said:
Some people like just the visuals... nothing wrong with that.

25I-NBOME actually has no mind fuck for me, and I was very surprised at that. It still has the 2C body load I've come to expect, and the visuals aren't as intense as acid/shrooms/2C-E/2C-T-2 but definitely has more visuals than 2C-I.

I'll completely forget I'm tripping if it weren't for the visuals randomly occurring while I'm playing a game (like Diablo III :D) or the background body load.

Irritates me because I wanted acid and all I can find right now is 25I :/
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I agree with you on the fact that some just want visuals and over time become more accustomed to being under the influence of a psych and then dive into self-exploration type trips.
BTW i have noticed that benadryl greatly reduced the body load for me when i was freaking out on 2C-e which led to a more enjoyable trip.
 
XTC_fiend said:
welli then was stuck in a small bathroom tripping balls for the next 6 hours and locked myself in there (accidentally) while violently throwing up for the duration of the trip. both two times this happened
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Why would you do it a second time ?
 
webbykevin said:
Why would you do it a second time ?
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Quite a good question. I have this outlook on drugs that goes something like this: A drug is and inanimate object. Me being human and possessing the most complex compilation of chemicals, reactions, and unknowns known to man (the human brain) should not let a drug make me do things, and take over my life as with addiction. Nor should anybody else. So me being a persistent type of person decided I will conquer this drug. I guess third times a charm because this trip was a success in my thoughts and i conquered yet another drug. With this i have boosted my willpower another level and have made myself a slightly stronger person having controlled myself and my negative thoughts while being close to having a bad trip.

having done heroin many many times and other addicting substances such as cigarettes, cocaine, and prescription opiates have not had any signs of addiction more than craving in both mild to extreme levels. I possess the willpower to control myself and not let the drug control me. unfortunately a large percentage of the world does not have the same willpower as others who have warded off addiction and have subjected themselves to a hard life with the same routine everyday that will lead to a generally unhappy person later on in life.

Thanks for the question :) i was now finally able to share my theory on willpower and overcoming the addictive pull of drugs.
 
I find that most people who react badly to hallucinogens on a normal dose generally aren't the happiest people in life aka depressed or something. Sure there is the chance that you just don't react well to them but I'd look inside and see what's causing you grief. Set & setting always.
 
2C-E is my favorite 2C-X substance. Me and most of my friends all have had great experiences on it, but one particular friend went into a 6 hour peak nightmare trip that consisted of him crying on his couch.
 
XTC_fiend said:
Quite a good question. I have this outlook on drugs that goes something like this: A drug is and inanimate object. Me being human and possessing the most complex compilation of chemicals, reactions, and unknowns known to man (the human brain) should not let a drug make me do things, and take over my life as with addiction. Nor should anybody else. So me being a persistent type of person decided I will conquer this drug. I guess third times a charm because this trip was a success in my thoughts and i conquered yet another drug. With this i have boosted my willpower another level and have made myself a slightly stronger person having controlled myself and my negative thoughts while being close to having a bad trip.

having done heroin many many times and other addicting substances such as cigarettes, cocaine, and prescription opiates have not had any signs of addiction more than craving in both mild to extreme levels. I possess the willpower to control myself and not let the drug control me. unfortunately a large percentage of the world does not have the same willpower as others who have warded off addiction and have subjected themselves to a hard life with the same routine everyday that will lead to a generally unhappy person later on in life.

Thanks for the question :) i was now finally able to share my theory on willpower and overcoming the addictive pull of drugs.
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Great answer and great attitude to addiction, proud of you bro.
 
XTC_fiend said:
Quite a good question. I have this outlook on drugs that goes something like this: A drug is and inanimate object. Me being human and possessing the most complex compilation of chemicals, reactions, and unknowns known to man (the human brain) should not let a drug make me do things, and take over my life as with addiction. Nor should anybody else. So me being a persistent type of person decided I will conquer this drug. I guess third times a charm because this trip was a success in my thoughts and i conquered yet another drug. With this i have boosted my willpower another level and have made myself a slightly stronger person having controlled myself and my negative thoughts while being close to having a bad trip.

having done heroin many many times and other addicting substances such as cigarettes, cocaine, and prescription opiates have not had any signs of addiction more than craving in both mild to extreme levels. I possess the willpower to control myself and not let the drug control me. unfortunately a large percentage of the world does not have the same willpower as others who have warded off addiction and have subjected themselves to a hard life with the same routine everyday that will lead to a generally unhappy person later on in life.

Thanks for the question :) i was now finally able to share my theory on willpower and overcoming the addictive pull of drugs.
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I swear I'm addicted to novelty and sense of self-control. I've gotten bored with every drug that I was able to do whenever I wanted (even the highly addictive ones). If I've tried something a few times, and it's not -useful- in any way, I generally stop using it.

If it's rare and hard to get, I'll do it whenever I have the opportunity (unless it's effects aren't worth it). Most of the 2C's for instance, I want to do them all at least once or twice, but I really don't like any of them enough to do again despite their rarity.

Cocaine, when it was rare, I'd go through a gram in a 24 hour period sometimes. Now that I have easy access to it... a gram will last me 2 to 3 weeks? Usually only using it when I need to stay awake for something, and even then only 2 bumps at most.

Funny thing, if it's easy to get and always available, I lose all interest in using it except "when useful".
 
I have found very little headfuck with 5-meo-dalt actually, even at high end doses (200+mg) when taken orally. Defiantly a different story when smoked however. So maybe that could be a candidate? Its not really to visual though, hallucinations are there but there quite mild. Smoking weed potentates them alot though ive found :)
 
i hate 2c-e, the body load is obnoxious and the visuals are rather dull. LSD is where you wanna be, less mind-fuck and more of a clear headed state of being. Also the visuals are the best hands down!
 
Blanch said:
i hate 2c-e, the body load is obnoxious and the visuals are rather dull. LSD is where you wanna be, less mind-fuck and more of a clear headed state of being. Also the visuals are the best hands down!
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Completely agree with you. although my friends and I took benadryl and magnesium pills to combat nausea and body load which greatly helped.

but IMO i think what im looking for is shrooms after much research and questioning. all of my friends report much laughter that is often uncontrollable and they many reports ive read and answers i have recieved have stated that the trip makes the user feels that the world is anew, alive, and beautiful and they feel the need to explore it. many also feel close to others often sharing the same feelings. If the previous statement is true then i would most definitely love it. That is one of my favorite effects of MDMA and i hope mushies have it as well. Unfortunately for me i have absolutely no idea how to obtain these.. none of my dealers dabble with shrooms.. prob cuz they are all more into the harder drugs i.e. heroin, crack. Thats trenton for ya :/
 
Low dose 5-MeO-DiPT has about as minimal of a mental component as psychedelics get. 2C-C also has very little mind fuck.
 
anyone else feel like some drugs, or better said, on some trips, there is a feeling of no "mind fuck"ery and clearheadedness, but it is not a true feeling. almost like an illusion of perfect sanity?

funny story here is me thinking what a simple and clear thought process i had under the influence of some 4aco dmt and then realizing that i had been tiptoeing instead of walking normaly for the past hour (presumably to avoid detection by other people in the household, which wasnt really the case).

just trying to say this might be a more difficult quesiton to answer really, because lately ive found myself more prone to falling for certain illusions of sanity during trips
 
I've been debating trying NBOMe recently due to the fact that there seems to be little mindfuck. I'd love to candy-flip but the mindfuck aspect just puts me off. I'm all for pretty visuals and knowing what's going on.
 
I don't know about 5-MeO-DiPT... in lower doses it just feels like a bunch of nothing to me, in higher doses it can be sort of 2C-B like but if I'd have to choose
I would say 5-MeO-DiPT is more confusing. I have combined it with ketamine one or two times and that was very mindfucky but with a feeling of jolliness.

Maybe check in the 5-MeO-DiPT main Thread if my report of it is there or maybe it is in the TR section.

Perhaps 5-MeO-DALT and 5-MeO-DiPT could be called relatively unlikely to cause confusion and insane mindfuck business, but it should not be forgotten that pretty much all 5-MeO tryptamines release a very powerful very significant and typical kind of body load - like feeling as if you ate way too many duracell batteries. A powerful energy surge in the {body+mind}, which depending on a lot of circumstances could be channeled to experience a strong and rushing bliss. However if you have difficult times keeping the energetical feelings in control

I would think that the pureness with which these 5-MeO's act (little typical sensory effects, not really typical imagination-enriched trips, or an explosion of intellectual complexity) is in a way very intesting. Half of them seem like the ultimate mystical tool, but by that I mean mystical, yes, but following a pattern that gives associations of enlightenment, not so much. The pureness makes the potent 5-MeO's like a direct backdoor to sensations / experienced (for me) mostly giving some undeniable (to yourself) association with the concept of something like heaven.
With DPT, I get a similar sort of feeling that is like what múst be meant with the word or concept of holiness. But not any religious traditional worshipping, instead more like the generic brand of holiness, and humility and thankfulness.

About 4-AcO-DMT, I sort of know what you mean, kingme... My explanation would be that the ester group makes it act at least partially as a pro-drug and indeed it very gradually comes up and gradually dies down. That lack of being rushed makes it so much easier to handle than the same kind of compounds used with fast-hitting pharmacokinetics. Plenty of psychedelics tend to overwhelm with parenteral routes or so it seems.
4-Aco-DMT can give me a feeling that it is in true characteristical quality a lot alike N,N-DMT, but because of the pharmacokinetics the form in which the message is delivered reminds more of mushrooms.

I find that it can be very physically immersive, in like a resonating body buzz... yet the smoothness of the onset can give me the impression I'm not really even tripping. Then moments later alien entities and landscapes are seen clearly with CEV.
In other words I think 4-AcO-DMT is a little special that way: you might be halfway into cyberspace and its so smooth that there are no alerts. So to sum up, I've had experiences with it that surprised me how hard it can be to determine how 'high' you actually are. Relatively deeply visionary rather than psychedelic all across the board.
Though of course if you dose high enough it can be +++ or more, including psychedelic effects in 'all mental faculties'.
 
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