The Big & Dandy 25I-NBOMe Thread (2nd edition)

[Axed]

Finally got around to trying my 25i today. Even though I smoked beforehand, which usually eliminates nausea, I ended up vomiting. But, as usual when puking from psychs, I felt immediately better afterwards. The persistent nausea beforehand was annoying, but after that, it was a wonderful time overall.

 

[zn13bt]

I've never gotten any nausea from 25I, and I'm surprised to hear that others do. The bitter taste from buccal admin is kind of nasty and annoying for the first hour or so, but not enough to actually make me sick. It's one of the easier chems on my stomach that I've tried.

 

[deadbrainacidhead]

ok so I added 5mg of 25i to 10ml of h20 and stirred but small grains of the compound remain in the bottom of beaker. I placed mixture in the microwave for 10sec and removed.Proceeded to stir the solution again and what I ended up with was a murky solution that has no grains in it, is it safe to say that what I have is the HCL?

 

[dextrous]

Sorry I did not clarify everything that well, I'm not planing on bathing my entire blotter sheet in a solution, I plan on dropping each one individually.
It would be greatly appreciated if you could write up a tek on doing this.

Why? Because you lack the dish to hold the blotter in?



Requirements:
Large photo frame (use an old one or something)
Tube of glass silicone (hardware store)
Glass cutter tool (hardware store)
Superglue

1. Get an old picture frame. Deconstruct it and remove the front glass plate

2. Measure out dimensions of blotter sheet (for instance 30cm x 30cm).

3. Use glass cutter to cut a large sheet of glass (for instance 40cm x 40cm).

4. Use left over glass to cut sides for ur dish (4 sides 30cm long, bout 5cm high).

5. Glue sides on with superglue to form a square box (on top of the large glass panel)

6. Reinforce and make air-tight with silicone (on the OUTSIDE. if U do it on the inside the blotter paper wont sit flush with the bottom).

Presto, you have a perfectly dimensioned glass tray to soak your blotter.


Cost? $10

No need for micropipette.

 

[jaurk]

Had a ++++ trip, my first one where I could experience experiencing.
The point where everything makes so much sense, all you can do is just enjoy it, there is not more explaining.

Was 2.3mg + 1mg an hour in.
The visuals were just... oh my god, I mean, I looked one way and saw darkness, then looked the other way and saw the same thing.
Occasionally I could only see the right field of vision, and it was repeated nd chopped up again on the left.

Just literally blinded with visuals, I was absolutely out of it, quite dangerous actually, as there were a few occasions whre I wandered onto the road, though it was only for 5 seconds or so, I quickly got off once I noticed I walked off the path.

I couldn't even find the house riht infront of me, as I saw 2 houses.
Very odd, though just an amazing experience, i remember a hih pitch noise constantly changing, and echoes in music and my clock's tick echoing around the room.

I could smell electricity too, very odd.
overall, I feel like I was given the keys to anything, I felt like I lived about 1000 lives that night, the constant looping of enternity was very interesting, and after 3 hours of it, the last hour was pretty rough.

 

[Tabtastic]

Hey guys, so I just joined this forum basically because you guys have this thread and way more knowledgeable people on the subject than I could ever hope to come in contact with. Also, my google searches on 25i, since it's not too popular yet, have yielded me a lot more questions then answers. So I'm just going to lay out my most fundamental questions for you guys so you can hopefully answer them and we can go from there.

First of all, what does "complexing" a tab really mean? I get the fact that it's higher quality, more potent, and more likely to yield better results than an uncomplexed tab, but I still don't get what the hell the process actually IS. It sounds like it's the addition of the powder to some sort of liquid (water, alcohol, or whatever's best), having it dissolve, and then applying it to blotters. But I'm not sure on this. Also, I know the best way to "complex" 25i is to use HPBCD, but as most people on here probably know, if the average guy wants to get a hold of any significant amount of that, it's just not going to happen. Are there any alternate ways to complex that are equally sufficient? Also, when dissolving the powder, what liquid is best to dissolve in to yield the greatest achieved results? Sorry I'm really just a beginner at this but any way I can yield better results I'm listening to what you guys have to say. I don't think I should have to much trouble with the actual application of the liquid to the blotters, though I am interested to hear variations in drying methods, as the ones I have seen thus far seem subpar - i.e., hanging from a line and having an unequal distribution (more potent on the bottom end from the chemical sinking from the top of the sheet to the bottom while hanging due to gravity). Anyone who can answer my questions it's more than appreciated! Happy trippin, guys.

P.S. what proportions should be used when adding powder to liquid? I get how blotter proportions would work but I'm not sure on how many (ml/mg 25i) of water, alcohol, etc. I should use

 

[jaurk]

Someone explained complexing as like, encasing the chemical.
25i hates water, so get something which likes water and can be absorbed easily, and hide 25i in it.

Also I heard online someone frothed from the mouth on 25i, strange

 

[Tabtastic]

Someone explained complexing as like, encasing the chemical.
25i hates water, so get something which likes water and can be absorbed easily, and hide 25i in it.

Also I heard online someone frothed from the mouth on 25i, strange

So then by this logic the HCl salt wouldn't need to be complexed, since it already dissolves readily in water, would it? Is the HCl powder more effective when complexed with HPBCD (and can this even be done) or does it work as well as an HPBCD complex on it's own?

Ahhh so many questions!

 

[dextrous]

Hey guys, so I just joined this forum basically because you guys have this thread and way more knowledgeable people on the subject than I could ever hope to come in contact with. Also, my google searches on 25i, since it's not too popular yet, have yielded me a lot more questions then answers. So I'm just going to lay out my most fundamental questions for you guys so you can hopefully answer them and we can go from there.

First of all, what does "complexing" a tab really mean? I get the fact that it's higher quality, more potent, and more likely to yield better results than an uncomplexed tab, but I still don't get what the hell the process actually IS. It sounds like it's the addition of the powder to some sort of liquid (water, alcohol, or whatever's best), having it dissolve, and then applying it to blotters. But I'm not sure on this. Also, I know the best way to "complex" 25i is to use HPBCD, but as most people on here probably know, if the average guy wants to get a hold of any significant amount of that, it's just not going to happen. Are there any alternate ways to complex that are equally sufficient? Also, when dissolving the powder, what liquid is best to dissolve in to yield the greatest achieved results? Sorry I'm really just a beginner at this but any way I can yield better results I'm listening to what you guys have to say. I don't think I should have to much trouble with the actual application of the liquid to the blotters, though I am interested to hear variations in drying methods, as the ones I have seen thus far seem subpar - i.e., hanging from a line and having an unequal distribution (more potent on the bottom end from the chemical sinking from the top of the sheet to the bottom while hanging due to gravity). Anyone who can answer my questions it's more than appreciated! Happy trippin, guys.

P.S. what proportions should be used when adding powder to liquid? I get how blotter proportions would work but I'm not sure on how many (ml/mg 25i) of water, alcohol, etc. I should use

Let me chime in,

In reality, it's going to be harder for you to find an alternative to HBPCD to complex than to just find some HPBCD yourself.. It's not hard to get. It'd be a lot easier than asking around various forums if anyone knows an alternative, which probably involves a much harder compound to get than ol' HPBCD anyway.

Now, about drying..

Dry horizontally, no fan. If you're impatient you may use a hair dryer (on cool/tiny bit warm setting) blown from the top..

Now, about ratio's.

Start from the paper. See how many mL of ethanol your paper absorbs, then take that number (lets say 7mL) and multiply it by as many times and u want to soak ur sheet.. Lets say two.. so, you'll want 14mL of ethanol mixed with 100mg of 25i (guess) and 900mg of HPBCD (guess) (yes i realise ther will be offset).

take note: your solution with 1 gram of powder in it will thicken. This may affect absorbability, so these figures are very loosely stated.

 

[Axed]

Also I heard online someone frothed from the mouth on 25i, strange

I can attest to this, kinda. When I vomited from 25i during the come-up, it was a lot of foam. I attributed it to not eating anything beforehand. But this has happened from DOC as well-- I wonder why?

 

[Section813]

Ok this is another question. If you mix the hpbcd with the 25i at a 9:1 ratio for every 100mcgs of 25i you have 900mcgs of hpbcd. If a standard blotter square only holds 1 mg you can only lay a total of 100mcgs of 25i per square once its mixed? Do I have this correct?

 

[cryptix420]

What did you take of each, ROA and time. This is an interesting combo, especially after reading your comments as well as having access to these About your visuals, how were the CEV's /OEV's and what other experiences would compare (if any)?

~10mg of oral aMT and 3mg of 25i complexed on blotters, held on the gums for ten minutes and then spit out once my mouth started to get a little numb, like it always does from 25i. Tastes gross lol.

Nothing would compare. I am almost done writing the trip report for that night, so I'll post a link to it here when I'm done. I literally was thinking I was dead, walking around as a ghost. The visuals were so intense I convinced myself it was the afterlife and no way it could be just 'a trip' or 'visuals' lol idk man. It was insanity. I could reach out and touch a tree and I would instantly become one with it, my hand would melt into the bark in a wispy, beautiful way. It was fascinating. I even communicate my energy with a group of frogs - no joke. I crouched down and saw when I put out positive energy the frogs' ribbiting would grow louder & prettier, where as when it was negative it would be the opposite, quiet & feeble. It sounds a bit crazy maybe but it really did happen. Energy is real.

 

[zn13bt]

Are there any alternate ways to complex that are equally sufficient?

If you have HCl, then it's already water-soluble and you don't need to complex it.

If you have freebase, then you can add a few drops of vinegar until it dissolves, then top it up with distilled water to get the concentration you want, and you'll have a solution of 25I-NBOMe acetate. I've used it in this form several times at doses of 800ug to 1.3mg and it works great. You could also do the same thing using muriatic acid instead to create 25I HCl, but then you'd have to be very careful about figuring out the exact amount you'd need so that you don't have any excess HCl in your solution. Using vinegar seems a lot easier to me.

Either way, 25I does not need to be complexed in order to use it. It just needs to be made water-soluble.

 

[Tabtastic]

If you have HCl, then it's already water-soluble and you don't need to complex it.

If you have freebase, then you can add a few drops of vinegar until it dissolves, then top it up with distilled water to get the concentration you want, and you'll have a solution of 25I-NBOMe acetate. I've used it in this form several times at doses of 800ug to 1.3mg and it works great. You could also do the same thing using muriatic acid instead to create 25I HCl, but then you'd have to be very careful about figuring out the exact amount you'd need so that you don't have any excess HCl in your solution. Using vinegar seems a lot easier to me.

Either way, 25I does not need to be complexed in order to use it. It just needs to be made water-soluble.

No yeah dude I realize that. But what I'm trying to do is get the highest potency, and to do that, at least from what I've heard, I need HPBCD. Please correct me if I'm wrong, please, because if I don't have to waste more time and money to get higher potency (and therefore better trips) with this HPBCD shit that's really a weight off my shoulders. But if it's gonna be pretty shitty without the HPBCD, then I want the HPBCD. And speaking of which, does anyone know where to obtain that shit? I've been searching around haven't found shit besides some sketchy Asian suppliers on supply sites that you need to sign up for.

 

[crOOk]

No yeah dude I realize that. But what I'm trying to do is get the highest potency, and to do that, at least from what I've heard, I need HPBCD. Please correct me if I'm wrong, please, because if I don't have to waste more time and money to get higher potency (and therefore better trips) with this HPBCD shit that's really a weight off my shoulders. But if it's gonna be pretty shitty without the HPBCD, then I want the HPBCD. And speaking of which, does anyone know where to obtain that shit? I've been searching around haven't found shit besides some sketchy Asian suppliers on supply sites that you need to sign up for.

No source discussion on here...

 

[Tabtastic]

No source discussion on here...

This drug is legal and so is HPBCD. I'm not asking him what South American cartel he gets his black tar from. But if we're not allowed to talk about fully legal substances then feel free to PM me with any solutions.

 

[youngdout]

Is all HPBCD the same ie. water solubility? Any1 have a link to a place that has solubility specs for all of the different molecular weights? thanks

 

[zn13bt]

No yeah dude I realize that. But what I'm trying to do is get the highest potency, and to do that, at least from what I've heard, I need HPBCD. Please correct me if I'm wrong, please, because if I don't have to waste more time and money to get higher potency (and therefore better trips) with this HPBCD shit that's really a weight off my shoulders.

There's still no evidence that HPBCD makes 25I HCl or 25I acetate work any better than it already does without the HPBCD. It *does* make a difference if you have freebase, because the freebase isn't soluble in water. But it's easy enough to make 25I acetate if you have the freebase, so I don't know why anybody bothers trying to get a hold of *another* obscure chemical to make their special complexed 25I when they can just go to the grocery store and get some white vinegar.

But if it's gonna be pretty shitty without the HPBCD, then I want the HPBCD.

I've taken 25I acetate 7 times now, and 6 of them were fantastic experiences, +3 and even +4 a couple times. They were all at doses of 800ug to 1.3mg. The one experience that was only so-so was a lower dose, 500ug, but even with that I had a +1.

As far as I can tell, the only reason people think that HPBCD is *necessary* for 25I is because tregar, who was one of the first people to post on Bluelight about using 25I, kept writing about it in his posts. I think there was some confusion because he got shipped freebase that was labelled HCl by the vendor. (Same thing happened to me) I also think he likes to make his drug usage more complicated than necessary, given all of his talk about designing the perfect combo to hit all of his 5-HT receptors and whatnot.

On the other hand, I seem to be the only person on this thread who's been using 25I acetate. Everyone else who posts here only wants to do the HPBCD complexed form for whatever reason.

 

[JaneDoe2290]

I plan on converting my freebase to acetate soonish. The only reason I haven't yet is because I lack a quality MG scale,and ya know, safety first.

 

[thadocta13]

Just for some insight into other people's experience, how long do you normally have to wait before dosing again without tolerance interfering? One thing I find rather irritating is I have to wait almost a week and a half before dosing again to feel the FULL effects. My first time trying it I took 500mcg and had a very beautiful experience. I waited a week and took 750mcg and barely got any effects, just a small body high and very slight visuals.

Anyone else have a crappy tolerance buildup to this stuff? Would love to be able to dose again at least 4 or 5 days later. It's so tempting to dose before 10 days but it only results in a waste of 25I.