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urgh ... also, this is fucking nauseating to me tbh. Need to give it some more thought when I'm not just skimming but it'll be a fine day when this douchebag disappears, imo.

Israel PM: illegal African immigrants threaten identity of Jewish state
Binyamin Netanyahu reignites row over fate of thousands of African migrants in Israel


The Israeli prime minister has stoked a volatile debate about refugees and migrant workers from Africa, warning that "illegal infiltrators flooding the country" were threatening the security and identity of the Jewish state.

"If we don't stop their entry, the problem that currently stands at 60,000 could grow to 600,000, and that threatens our existence as a Jewish and democratic state," Binyamin Netanyahu said at Sunday's cabinet meeting. "This phenomenon is very grave and threatens the social fabric of society, our national security and our national identity." Israel's population is 7.8 million.

His comments follow media reports of rising crime, including two gang rapes, in southern Tel Aviv, where many African migrants are concentrated. However, Micky Rosenfeld, spokesman for the Israeli police, said the overall crime rate in Israel had fallen. There had been one alleged rape of a teenage girl connected to the migrant community, for which three suspects were in custody, he added.

Yohanan Danino, the Israeli police chief, said migrants should be permitted to work to discourage petty crime. Nearly all are unable to work legally, and live in overcrowded and impoverished conditions. "The community needs to be supported in order to prevent economic and social problems," said Rosenfeld.

But the interior minister, Eli Yishai, rejected such a move, saying: "Why should we provide them with jobs? I'm sick of the bleeding hearts, including politicians. Jobs would settle them here, they'll make babies, and that offer will only result in hundreds of thousands more coming over here."

Yishai repeated an earlier call for all migrants to be jailed pending deportation. "I want everyone to be able to walk the streets without fear or trepidation ... The migrants are giving birth to hundreds of thousands, and the Zionist dream is dying," he told Army Radio. Last week he said most migrants were involved in criminal activity.

According to police data quoted by the Hotline for Migrant Workers, the crime rate among foreigners in Israel was 2.04% in 2010, compared with 4.99% among Israelis.

More than 13,500 people entered Israel illegally in 2010, of whom almost two-thirds were Eritrean and one-third were Sudanese. Three were granted refugee status by Israel, rising to six last year. Human rights organisations say more than 50,000 asylum seekers and migrants have entered Israel illegally since 2005.

Most are smuggled across the Israel-Egypt border by Bedouin tribesmen. Israel is constructing a vast steel fence through 150 miles of the Sinai desert as a deterrent to people-trafficking and the smuggling of drugs and weapons. The barrier would be completed, bar one small section, by October, Netanyahu said.

Israel is also constructing the world's largest detention centre for asylum seekers and illegal migrants, capable of holding 11,000 people. The £58m building, close to the border, will receive its first detainees by the end of the year.

Netanyahu said the state would embark on "the physical withdrawal" of migrants, despite fears among human rights organisations about the dangers they could face in their home countries. Yishai said: "I'm not responsible for what happens in Eritrea and Sudan, the UN is."

As tensions rise in cities with relatively high African populations, the past month has seen a spate of attacks on buildings in south Tel Aviv that house asylum seekers and migrant workers. In one incident, a Molotov cocktail was thrown into the courtyard of a kindergarten. NGOs working with migrants have also received abusive and threatening calls.

Amid the anti-immigration clamour, some Israelis have argued that, in the light of Jewish history, their state should be sympathetic and welcoming to those fleeing persecution.
 
Isn't Israel surrounded by hundreds of millions of people who could claim assylum? I disagree that they have brought race into it, but from a practical stand point you can't run a state and let African problems bring you down when you are that small, can you? Rather than dragging them up you'd be dragged down. Almost all Southern Europe states are facing identical problems aren't they? 60,000 people and growing exponentially is a pretty big problem for a country that's only 8 million strong.
 
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I don't care about being 'dragged down'

I don't want to even consider attributing space for that terminology in my vocabulary, [edit] which is, I willingly admit, very fucking poor[/edit]

[edit] and that doesn't mean I don't understand the considerations of space and management and finances. new terminology needed to be able to achieve any relativity at all, on our opposing/different viewpoints
 
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I didn't mean it offensively, or as a way of saying that it is the people themselves who drag you down. It is just through sheer numbers of people from fucked up states that the problem arises. It's nothing to do with who the people are. You can choose the terminology we use to describe what happens when your country goes from being relatively well off and able to provide for it's citizens, to a state of affairs where thousands of people from less well off states flood in at a rate you can't cope with resulting in lowering standards of living for all, if you like?
 
when your country goes from being relatively well off and able to provide for it's citizens, to a state of affairs where thousands of people from less well off states flood in at a rate you can't cope with

The irony of this being a comment about a state that was created with the intention of being a dedicated homeland for one of the biggest disaporas the world has ever known (the majority of them fleeing either poverty or persecution in their countries of origin) musn't escape you, surely?
 
The irony of this being a comment about a state that was created with the intention of being a dedicated homeland for one of the biggest disaporas the world has ever known (the majority of them fleeing either poverty or persecution in their countries of origin) musn't escape you, surely?

Of course not. But I don't see how that can feasibly leave a population of 8 million people with an obligation to perhaps half a billion people who could justify leaving their homelands to flee persecution. An analogy would be expecting a previously homeless person to house any homeless person who makes his way into his house.
 
Of course not. But I don't see how that can feasibly leave a population of 8 million people with an obligation to perhaps half a billion people who could justify leaving their homelands to flee persecution. An analogy would be expecting a previously homeless person to house any homeless person who makes his way into his house.

People said similar things to Cromwell about those nasty Yids, didn't they?

Not that I have much love for Old Ollie besides that, mind.
 
People said similar things to Cromwell about those nasty Yids, didn't they?

Not that I have much love for Old Ollie besides that, mind.

Come on, as much as you dislike Israel, not being able to take in millions of African's is hardly a crime you can lay at their doorstep.
 
^ what gives anyone the right to lay claim to a piece of land and say no one else can live there? i understand the practicalities of the situation but that whole concept is just.. i can't even explain. if africans (or anyone) wish to move because the life they are living where they are is not the life they want, who the fuck are we to say no, actually, we're here but you can't join us?

edit: lil benzo'd still from weekend mishap so may not be making sense, sorry.
 
Israel has a rich history of racism, let's not forget.

Google 'Beta Israel' for one example, 'Bene Israel' for another. Apparently the Law Of Return doesn't necessarily apply to a lot of black or brown Jews the same as it does to those of European lineage.

Funny that...
 
The way the world is currently setup would mean should the global population be allowed to settle where they wanted chaos would probably ensue as vast populations gravitate towards the wealthy countries/areas etc. Of course if wealth was evenly distributed across the globe I would hazard a guess it would cause no problems at all, sadly, that is not going to happen for a long time, if ever.
 
^ what gives anyone the right to lay claim to a piece of land and say no one else can live there? i understand the practicalities of the situation but that whole concept is just.. i can't even explain. if africans (or anyone) wish to move because the life they are living where they are is not the life they want, who the fuck are we to say no, actually, we're here but you can't join us?

edit: lil benzo'd still from weekend mishap so may not be making sense, sorry.

Well what gives you the right to stop homeless people from annexing your flat and raiding your fridge? They just want a roof over their head and food in their bellies.

*You cannot live in a country with socialised everything and have an open door policy. The system would go to shit within a week.
 
Israel has a rich history of racism, let's not forget.

Google 'Beta Israel' for one example, 'Bene Israel' for another. Apparently the Law Of Return doesn't necessarily apply to a lot of black or brown Jews the same as it does to those of European lineage.

Funny that...

Yeah and I said that Israel was wrong for making it a race issue, because they needn't do it. Although let's not forget that as soon as the Jews are outnumbered by other groups of people the persecution they fled will start all over again.
 
Well what gives you the right to stop homeless people from annexing your flat and raiding your fridge? They just want a roof over their head and food in their bellies.

*You cannot live in a country with socialised everything and have an open door policy. The system would go to shit within a week.

Yeah. And I am a very practical person. It just seems wrong. Ima step out of this thread til my head is less fuzzy and I can articulate my arguments properly ;)
 
Although let's not forget that as soon as the Jews are outnumbered by other groups of people the persecution they fled will start all over again.

Erm... what gives you that idea?

I'd say their own government's paranoid foreign policy and unchecked warmongering are more of a danger to the population of Israel than a few refugees. It's not Israel's existence that creates such suspicion and fear amongst its neighbours. It's Israel's behaviour as a near-unaccountable military power. Nuclear too, let's not forget.
 
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