Mr.Scagnattie
Bluelighter
^^
Well, that ends that debate. :D
Hah, good finds SwimmingDancer.
Well, that ends that debate. :D
Hah, good finds SwimmingDancer.
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Opioids The 3-MF safety debate thread
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tyler5
Bluelighter
yes, i do. only deaths are from 3-MF COMBINED with tons of benzos and/or alcohol.
NEVER JUST 3-MF. so, yes.
about the prices. SORRY. im SO sorry. im a dumbfuck, i keep forgetting. please forgive me, this is the absolute last time i wont even talk about 3MF anymore because obv there is no one here who truly understands the life on my continent (Eurasia) and just want to keep on blabbering about HR even when it makes no fucking sense at all.
imma tell you once again: YES, NO ONE HERE DIES FROM 3MF OD. there is perhaps 1-2 deaths per 2 weeks from 3-MF combined with alcohol, usually. the next most usual reason is benzos. but NEVER JUST 3MF.
tyler5
Bluelighter
us and canada suck and are dumb and the WHOLE of russia and MOST of europe know it. end of discussion.
i said ALL THOSE THINGS WERE TRUE. yes, WE USE THE MOST 3MF because we the ONLY ONES having it.
yes, most users use 3MF because its the only opiate TO use.
yes, most deaths are from OD but they dont say 3MF DO THEY??? they say drugs!!!! thats 3MF+benzos+alcohol.
i said ALL THOSE THINGS WERE TRUE. yes, WE USE THE MOST 3MF because we the ONLY ONES having it.
yes, most users use 3MF because its the only opiate TO use.
yes, most deaths are from OD but they dont say 3MF DO THEY??? they say drugs!!!! thats 3MF+benzos+alcohol.
Mr.Scagnattie
Bluelighter
^^
You're an idiot...
You're an idiot...
tyler5
Bluelighter
one more thing, im not surprised, the universities you people pay "crazy mani" to go to are like high schools for us.
98% of americans aged 19-28 ive spoken to are so fucking dumb at wordly matters and the usual things that ALL europeans/russians know, its like the USAnada is another fucking continent. yet, a mexican, he's basically the same as me except he's ancestors came from Spain which is like thousand or two miles from my house.
americans truly are dumb, in general. not stupid. theyre dumb. cause theyre american. therefore they are right. cause theyre american. they THINK their the best yet the shit you guys get taught is shit 8th graders learn in europe that you learn for your ess ay tee's. fuck the us.
lets continue.
98% of americans aged 19-28 ive spoken to are so fucking dumb at wordly matters and the usual things that ALL europeans/russians know, its like the USAnada is another fucking continent. yet, a mexican, he's basically the same as me except he's ancestors came from Spain which is like thousand or two miles from my house.
americans truly are dumb, in general. not stupid. theyre dumb. cause theyre american. therefore they are right. cause theyre american. they THINK their the best yet the shit you guys get taught is shit 8th graders learn in europe that you learn for your ess ay tee's. fuck the us.
lets continue.
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tyler5
Bluelighter
on a serious note though:
do you people actually and truly think that those links that basically say the same thing ive been blabbering all the damn time, say anything that amounts to your bullshit being correct?
im saying 3mf is not the killer in our country, 3mf+SOMETHING ELSE(benzos,alcohol) is.
just a pure 3mf only death is a RARITY in this country. learn estonian and start reading.
every fucking thing about every fucking thing can be found online in .ee, we are the worlds leading IT country called the Silicon Valley of Europe.
Skype was made in Estonia. We are ranked as top 10 digital cities of THE WORLD.
our whole goverment, prescription system, doctor system + many other systems are all wholely computer based. no fucking papers, no fucking 1993 go to your bank to get money transferred.
man, we been having internet banking since 1999 (meaning you can transfer money from your account to any other account in the world with your passwords that you get from your local bank). no going to the bank EVAR. you can pay for pizza on the net. yes, you can.
so, naturally, every article, every research paper, everything - is available on the net.
so please, do yourself a favor and find out the vastness of your stupidity by spending a little time finding the TRUTH.
do you people actually and truly think that those links that basically say the same thing ive been blabbering all the damn time, say anything that amounts to your bullshit being correct?
im saying 3mf is not the killer in our country, 3mf+SOMETHING ELSE(benzos,alcohol) is.
just a pure 3mf only death is a RARITY in this country. learn estonian and start reading.
every fucking thing about every fucking thing can be found online in .ee, we are the worlds leading IT country called the Silicon Valley of Europe.
Skype was made in Estonia. We are ranked as top 10 digital cities of THE WORLD.
our whole goverment, prescription system, doctor system + many other systems are all wholely computer based. no fucking papers, no fucking 1993 go to your bank to get money transferred.
man, we been having internet banking since 1999 (meaning you can transfer money from your account to any other account in the world with your passwords that you get from your local bank). no going to the bank EVAR. you can pay for pizza on the net. yes, you can.
so, naturally, every article, every research paper, everything - is available on the net.
so please, do yourself a favor and find out the vastness of your stupidity by spending a little time finding the TRUTH.
Mr.Scagnattie
Bluelighter
Can we close this thread now before this guys ignorance just permeates the entire site? It's embarrassing...
tricomb
Bluelight Crew
What you're saying is like saying you can't OD on heroin alone, except it's even more ludicrous because we're talking about a compound that is thousands of times more potent. This is delusional thinking and is likely caused by 3-MF.
This is honestly really sad, that everyone sees it but you. It will be the end of you. And you'll be a statistic.
We are trying so hard to prevent this.
This thread lacks any hope of HR value and if we can't be civil about this then this will be closed. Im not closing this yet (although I bet I'll have to within half an hour...) and I'm going to rename it for now because who knows, we could save tyler5s life.
This is honestly really sad, that everyone sees it but you. It will be the end of you. And you'll be a statistic.
We are trying so hard to prevent this.
This thread lacks any hope of HR value and if we can't be civil about this then this will be closed. Im not closing this yet (although I bet I'll have to within half an hour...) and I'm going to rename it for now because who knows, we could save tyler5s life.
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tyler5
Bluelighter
no, of course im not saying that. im saying it is VERY RARE as it is in the U.S.
am i not right?? nobody OD's on HEROIN alone (in GENERAL). thats the SAME FOR 3MF OVER HERE, 100% TRUTH.
btw, the name change is quite good.
i just hate people like scagnattie that are from the center of the world (the gutter of the world, more like) and they shit on their high horse and never wrong because of their fucking nyc education. guess what buddy. more people od on heroin in oslo NORWAY than 3-MF in tallinn ESTONIA. the fuck you got to say about that?
just for shits and giggles, ill repeat, that in both cases they dont OD from JUST opiates but from a COCKTAIL. but still, heroin kills more people and is therefore more dangerous in your logic (which is retarded).
3-MF IS more dangerous than other less potent opiates but IF you KNOW what you are doing, you are JUST as likely to OD from any other opiate that you cant tell the exact dose of (being in cambodia and doing a shitload of REALLY pure heroin).
am i not right?? nobody OD's on HEROIN alone (in GENERAL). thats the SAME FOR 3MF OVER HERE, 100% TRUTH.
btw, the name change is quite good.
i just hate people like scagnattie that are from the center of the world (the gutter of the world, more like) and they shit on their high horse and never wrong because of their fucking nyc education. guess what buddy. more people od on heroin in oslo NORWAY than 3-MF in tallinn ESTONIA. the fuck you got to say about that?
just for shits and giggles, ill repeat, that in both cases they dont OD from JUST opiates but from a COCKTAIL. but still, heroin kills more people and is therefore more dangerous in your logic (which is retarded).
3-MF IS more dangerous than other less potent opiates but IF you KNOW what you are doing, you are JUST as likely to OD from any other opiate that you cant tell the exact dose of (being in cambodia and doing a shitload of REALLY pure heroin).
tricomb
Bluelight Crew
Dude, people OD from heroin alone ALL THE TIME. It's not just polydrug abusers, just because they are at a higher risk of OD, doesn't mean they are the only people at risk of overdose.
Mixing in benzodiazepines, alcohol, other opioids, yes, these are all ways to significantly raise the risk of death, but death is very very possible from one drug alone.
You even admitted this when you said that junkies shoot up more than their dealer advises them in the hallway.
Wikipedia
And if you want this debate thread to remain open, do not make personal attacks on other members. We are literally trying to save your life here, surely you can see that...
Mixing in benzodiazepines, alcohol, other opioids, yes, these are all ways to significantly raise the risk of death, but death is very very possible from one drug alone.
You even admitted this when you said that junkies shoot up more than their dealer advises them in the hallway.
Wikipedia
And if you want this debate thread to remain open, do not make personal attacks on other members. We are literally trying to save your life here, surely you can see that...
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tyler5
Bluelighter
would someone please tell me why it is v. dangerous shooting in the wrist area?
its an area i often find a good vein first and so far its been the area with the easiest IV, used it 3-4 times on both hands (2 per hand). theres a bruise (small yellow) but it fades away.
so one should IV ONLY to your hands which means from the knuckle to ..where ?
reply to last two posts: lmao, why are you guys saying it like im denying it. yes, of course, this shit happens too but USUALLY its a combination of drugs that kills a person. thats a statistic, at least in my country, a statistic that is like 89% of ALL drug deaths. polydrug use. thats whats written on the cause of death.
its an area i often find a good vein first and so far its been the area with the easiest IV, used it 3-4 times on both hands (2 per hand). theres a bruise (small yellow) but it fades away.
so one should IV ONLY to your hands which means from the knuckle to ..where ?
reply to last two posts: lmao, why are you guys saying it like im denying it. yes, of course, this shit happens too but USUALLY its a combination of drugs that kills a person. thats a statistic, at least in my country, a statistic that is like 89% of ALL drug deaths. polydrug use. thats whats written on the cause of death.
Swimmingdancer
Bluelight Crew
I don't see you posting any evidence for your claims. If every day you read that 100% of overdoses are from taking multiple drugs at once and that 3-MF is safe by itself or at least no more dangerous than heroin, please post some links. Even if they are in Estonian surely you can translate them and post links to the sources.
tricomb
Bluelight Crew
Google Translate will work, post any Estonian links you wish, they surely will be the most relevant. Google Translate isn't perfect but it's a start.
Captain.Heroin
Bluelight Crew
The reason being, there is a major artery close in the wrist. I watched my one friend inject one time, in the wrist - and part of the injection ended up in their artery. They screamed from the pain, and I had never heard anyone scream from pain like that before from injecting.
I would try to find the veins in your arms. These are significantly more safe for intravenous drug use. Have you used the vein maps on Bluelight? These might help you out a lot.
helium-4
Bluelight Crew
I haven't heard anyone mention it yet, but I'm going to say it,
this site isn't filled with just people from the US or Canada. There are A LOT of user from Europe, Asia, Australia, Africa, etc. Users from all over the world. So please stop making silly generalizations. People here are trying to help you no matter what country they are from, or what language is their primary language. This site is here to help the world reduce the amount of deaths, disease, accidents, etc. associated with drugs. There isn't any bias because you use a fentanyl analog. No one cares that your from Estonia and speaks Russian, as well as hang out with your fellow drug using country men. That doesn't change the fact that what you are doing is VERY DANGEROUS. If you take the time to go to the first page and look at all the links Swimming posted, you'd realize what we are saying to you isn't to be mean. It is to save your life. No one gains anything from insulting you or feeding your paranoia. The members on this site are here to help you, and their advice can if you will give them a chance and stop being so arrogant and negative.
I wish you the best, but I'm afraid for you because you are pretending your invincible and that isn't the case. People die and you might be one of them.
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I just realized you said something along the lines of "heroin is more dangerous than 3-mf." This is completely false. Even within the US when Fent analogs like what you are using was seen on the streets, there was a massive increase in ODs. It wasn't heroin causing the increase in deaths it was the various fent analogs. It doesn't take a genius to realize when a substance is thousands of times more potent than heroin (which 3-mf is), the likely hood of OD on a non standardized cut street drug active in the the single digits of MICROGRAMS is massively higher than a non standardized cut street drug active in the MILLIGRAMS. Also consider the fact that the 3-mf isn't going to evenly mix through out the powder making the possibility of a range of potency very very likely. Opioids depress respiration in all phases, the rate, minute volume, tidal exchange, and rhythm, which results from ingesting to much of them. 3-mf isn't exempt from this fact. It also doesn't require any other drug within your system for this to take place. This isn't some US conspiracy theory trying to make Estonians look stupid, like you seem to be thinking. We are just trying to make you aware.
Also you've repeatedly said that people die from the combination of other drugs with the fent. Well, I've seen you post many times about combining other drugs, like benzos, or more opioids (not all opioids have the same pharmacology, they all effect different receptors even if they have a common receptor agonism [mu opioid agonism] which can lead to different side-effect profile or amounts of say respiratory depression). So I hope you realize you are putting yourself endanger of ODing in a way that you admit causes frequent ODs.
Please open your mind. Please, for the sake of your life, or even your limbs. With bad IV practice, unknown fillers (you don't know they are safe) that you aren't even bothering to micron filter, you can loose body parts, cause infections, etc. You are putting life on the line every time you put these drugs in your system. Please take our advice so you can minimize your risks.
NO DRUGS ARE SAFE. NONE. SO DON'T EVEN PRETEND THAT A OPIOID THOUSANDS OF TIMES MORE POTENT THAN HEROIN IS SAFE.
I'm sorry if this isn't what you want to hear. A lot of people want to believe that they can't die, or what they are doing when it comes to consuming drugs is going to result only in happiness. That isn't the case. To many people die everyday around the world from drugs because of various reasons, and a lot of them could have been prevented if harm reduction was used.
this site isn't filled with just people from the US or Canada. There are A LOT of user from Europe, Asia, Australia, Africa, etc. Users from all over the world. So please stop making silly generalizations. People here are trying to help you no matter what country they are from, or what language is their primary language. This site is here to help the world reduce the amount of deaths, disease, accidents, etc. associated with drugs. There isn't any bias because you use a fentanyl analog. No one cares that your from Estonia and speaks Russian, as well as hang out with your fellow drug using country men. That doesn't change the fact that what you are doing is VERY DANGEROUS. If you take the time to go to the first page and look at all the links Swimming posted, you'd realize what we are saying to you isn't to be mean. It is to save your life. No one gains anything from insulting you or feeding your paranoia. The members on this site are here to help you, and their advice can if you will give them a chance and stop being so arrogant and negative.
I wish you the best, but I'm afraid for you because you are pretending your invincible and that isn't the case. People die and you might be one of them.
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I just realized you said something along the lines of "heroin is more dangerous than 3-mf." This is completely false. Even within the US when Fent analogs like what you are using was seen on the streets, there was a massive increase in ODs. It wasn't heroin causing the increase in deaths it was the various fent analogs. It doesn't take a genius to realize when a substance is thousands of times more potent than heroin (which 3-mf is), the likely hood of OD on a non standardized cut street drug active in the the single digits of MICROGRAMS is massively higher than a non standardized cut street drug active in the MILLIGRAMS. Also consider the fact that the 3-mf isn't going to evenly mix through out the powder making the possibility of a range of potency very very likely. Opioids depress respiration in all phases, the rate, minute volume, tidal exchange, and rhythm, which results from ingesting to much of them. 3-mf isn't exempt from this fact. It also doesn't require any other drug within your system for this to take place. This isn't some US conspiracy theory trying to make Estonians look stupid, like you seem to be thinking. We are just trying to make you aware.
Also you've repeatedly said that people die from the combination of other drugs with the fent. Well, I've seen you post many times about combining other drugs, like benzos, or more opioids (not all opioids have the same pharmacology, they all effect different receptors even if they have a common receptor agonism [mu opioid agonism] which can lead to different side-effect profile or amounts of say respiratory depression). So I hope you realize you are putting yourself endanger of ODing in a way that you admit causes frequent ODs.
Please open your mind. Please, for the sake of your life, or even your limbs. With bad IV practice, unknown fillers (you don't know they are safe) that you aren't even bothering to micron filter, you can loose body parts, cause infections, etc. You are putting life on the line every time you put these drugs in your system. Please take our advice so you can minimize your risks.
NO DRUGS ARE SAFE. NONE. SO DON'T EVEN PRETEND THAT A OPIOID THOUSANDS OF TIMES MORE POTENT THAN HEROIN IS SAFE.
I'm sorry if this isn't what you want to hear. A lot of people want to believe that they can't die, or what they are doing when it comes to consuming drugs is going to result only in happiness. That isn't the case. To many people die everyday around the world from drugs because of various reasons, and a lot of them could have been prevented if harm reduction was used.
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tricomb
Bluelight Crew
Source?
tyler5
Bluelighter
i dont care enough about proving anything to search for it. heard it on estonian radio named "radio kuku" while driving to get my dope. not a "top40" format bullshit, we have one like that over here too called sky+. this radio actually educates you (kuku). so i know they speak facts when they speak on something and give numbers.
tricomb
Bluelight Crew
You don't care enough about your own life which is the problem. You think you're taking precautions to make death impossible but it's delusional.
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