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Heroin Is it possible for a former heroin addict to relapse and remain responsible?

Swimmingdancer said:
Is it possible you just couldn't tell that they had some sort of "inner pain" they were secretly dealing with? And/or that they were in denial about it themselves? I have never known anyone to get addicted to hard drugs when they had perfect mental health and happiness.
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good point. well, i've known one girl who really just came from a pretty decent, standard upbringing in a functioning family, and i'd be surprised if there was anything sinister going on, but you can never really know. and a few who claimed that their childhoods have been perfectly happy and that they didn't have any traumatic experiences to speak of, but you can never know. i took it at face value to be honest, because most of the addicts i talked to have no qualms to tell you everything about their traumas and painful memories, but yeah, who knows. i know that my use is directly linked to my upbringing and the plethora of psychiatric disorders that caused.
 
DooMMooD said:
I believe there are addict genes not only for a general addict (someone who displays addictive behaviors to any/all substances/behaviors) but also for specific things (ex someone may be a GAMBLING addict but NOT a substance addict), although i think 99/100times the person has the gene for all of it
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I 100% agree. My very first addiction was pinball and video games. I was a junkie at 10yrs old stealing quarters out of my fathers water jug to support my addiction. I always say why couldn't I just be addicted to bowling or needlepoint?
 
DooMMooD said:
IMO i think the only ones who are able to successfully use (their doc) at all without it being a problem are those people who do not have the addict gene. Someone who has the addict gene eventually can no longer say no, but more importantly, its.....more than that. I cannot even explain it. The way my thinking differs so drastically from someone who is not an addict is one way to tell the difference i think. EX: I think justifications, however bullshit, are legitimate reasons for my continued bullshit. I like, cheat, steal, blame others.

So its behaviors as well. Another example: People who take pain pills for pain and are NOT addicts are very successful: in tapering fine, controlling their usage, etc. They dont abuse their meds, they dont take them in ways they shouldnt (IV, nasal, etc), and are obviously not addicts, despite using a drug that would induce withdrawals, and using a drug that for an addict would be impossible to use responsibly.

I believe there are addict genes not only for a general addict (someone who displays addictive behaviors to any/all substances/behaviors) but also for specific things (ex someone may be a GAMBLING addict but NOT a substance addict), although i think 99/100times the person has the gene for all of it

Others may have a tolerance and go through withdrawals, so a physical addiction, but if you dont have the addict gene i cant even explain it really....
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yes, same principle applies to antidepressants. even though they cause withdrawal when discontinued, which can range from mildly unpleasant to fuckin' aweful, they're not considered addictive by most medical professionals, and even though they can have a profound effect on mood, changing dosages/ROAs/frequency of use will not only not give you any gratification but most likely just a shitload of unpleasant side effects. also, i don't know if there's such a thing as a genetic disposion toward addiction, apparently there is for alcoholism so i guess it's entirely possible that the same thing applies to all addictive behavior. i honestly don't know much on the subject, but my father, whose upbringing was really, really, really horrific (even though he failed me as a parent, considering what i know of his childhood it really is a wonder he was not much, much worse) never had any problems with addiction, although he frequently drinks, only ever moderate amounts, and even though he also uses benzos occasionally, always in very low doses and always for their indicated purpose, as anxiolytic or hypnotic. he's been using them for 30 or 40 years and never had any problems with addiction, mainly because he doesn't view them as 'drugs' the way i do, and just as a useful tool to combat his rampant insomnia and occasionally to get him through a really bad day.

edit: yes, even before i got drunk the very first time, i displayed addictive behavior toward video games and tv. it was insanely hard to get me away from either and was usually followed by some tantrum on my part.
 
Donewthislife said:
My very first addiction was ... video games.
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Same here, I went through a phase where that's all I did and cared about. I'm glad I learned about my addictive personality before I ever tried real drugs, lol. Then I went overboard with weed for four years before ever touching any hard drugs, also a learning experience. These kids today trying Vicodin, Adderall, Cocaine, and Xanax recreationally at 12 years old are FUCKED, they don't stand a fighting chance at avoiding addiction if they happen to be those predisposed to addiction. They know nothing about themselves yet, they haven't even fully developed their personalities.
 
I wish I had know about my predisposition and started my drug experimentation later on in life but unfortunately, that wouldn't be the case. I took my first mescaline tablet in the seventh grade and eighth grade I split my first eight-ball going to my grammar school prom. I didn't turn into a head until my mid-thirties. I wish I knew back then what I know now.
 
On the note of changing ROA of opioid doesn't necessarily mean abuse. Though I will agree majority of the time it probably dose. I know I do abuse my methadone occasionally, but I wouldn't equate it as the same as even abusing hydrocodone (or harder opioids) as the change in dose doesn't change the effects much once you've been on it for a while. I'm not saying at all I'm not an occasional abuser of it, but changing the ROA for methadone which I do isn't associated with abuse I do (which is only a 2-4 times a month with a few days with lower doses to compensate). I prefer to disolve my 10mg roxane pills in water (it's highly water soluble), filter it (I still eat the left overs just to make sure I'm still consuming the scripted amount), and then snort the liquid (10mg/mL conc.) in each nostril .100-.200 mL at a time. This isn't to get a rush, as there isn't really a rush (only relatively there is to the 3 hour come up of oral), but to get the relief from the methadone within 10-15 mins for my neurological condition. The BOA is about the same, yeah a little more consistent than oral, but it's not like snorting opana which is directly changing your pain maagement plan. The duration of desired theraputic effects measure by pupil dilation is actually increased slightly as well (about an hour to two hours according the article discussing the pharmacokinetic differences between IV, NA, and PO). So with really no increase in recreational effect, the change in ROA doesn't imply abuse in this case IMO. Once again, I do abuse it a few times a month with a higher dose, but not via ROA.

Just thought I share my personal experience and add some interesting discussion. (fed from xxxyyy)
 
Yeah they say onset of intranasal methadone is 7 minutes to peak.

How do you stand snorting it though? It burns more than any other substance I've ever snorted in my life, including the 2C-X compounds.
 
dissolving it in water, then filtering it helps a good bit with the burn. I usually snot it over a 10-15 minute period most of the time which also cuts down on the irritation.
 
Cloudy said:
dissolving it in water, then filtering it helps a good bit with the burn. I usually snot it over a 10-15 minute period most of the time which also cuts down on the irritation.
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I always dissolve it in water or saline and filter. I wasn't talking about just crushing the pill and snorting, I have the mallis and they're as big as norcos basically, with 10mg active ingredient? What am I in 8th grade? hah, I'm not going to snort it like that.

Maybe Mallinckrodt burns more than Roxanne, I haven't tried intranasal with Roxanne but it certainly does work with mallis, hits you hard and in less than 10 minutes you feel as if you're 3 hours deep into an oral dose.
 
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Roxicodone King said:
There is one way to not get hooked again. First you have to ride a unicorn to the end of a rainbow. Then you take the pot of gold, and bring it to Bigfoot. He will then give you a secret message for Mitt Romney, who in turn will give you magic underwear, that when worn, will keep you safe from all addiction!

The other answer is no. Those of us with the disease of addiction will always try and kid ourselves or rationalize to convince us that we can use responsibly. It is a sick, insidious disease and the only way to have a life worth living is abstinence. I wish you luck, my friend. Personally, I have been clean for four years and all I know is my personal story: My life is FAR from perfect right now, I suffer from awful chronic pain, my tolerance is beyond anyone my doctors have ever seen (from both being on pain medication from a young age and from my past abuse), and I am having lots of medication issues right now. BUT I would take my WORST day now over my best day of using, without a second thought. I am lucky that I found a program to work that has helped keep my clean and sober, and I hope that you find the same. Just remember that the above poster is correct, just because you have something you don't have to use it, that is just an excuse. Heck, its not too late while you are still above ground. Good Luck!!
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isnt that swell? you have the biggest tolerance and yet youve been clean four years. your tolerance should be at 10mg oxy and ur flying. if not, then you are lying.
 
No, it is a law of physics that a heroin addict can never go back to occasional use. It was discovered by the great Danish physicist Neils Borh shortly after he finished his work mapping the structure of the atom.

Of course it is possible. I seriously don't understand why this question gets asked so often. Isn't the answer obvious? You can go back to occasional use but chances are very high you will end up addicted again. Such a simple and logical answer.
 
^ You're just getting into semantics here. Sure, it's "possible," but the chances to chip successfully for long periods of times for most Bluelighters are so slim that it is effectively impossible.

A lot of people would just read the first part of your post and justify their chipping relapse without reading "chances are very high you will end up addicted again."
 
If you got a silid connect, and alot of cash. Then sure why not. But if your like most of us and buying from shady people with a set income..no...i think its impossible.
 
^ If have a solid connect and a lot of cash, then how would your relapse be responsible?

The OP meant responsibility in terms of not getting addicted and strung out again, not moral responsibility for abstaining from doing shady shit so you can get money for your next fix.
 
I've got 2 friends who had addictions, both to heroin a good few years ago.. .they don't know each other and live miles apart.. one was injecting for almost 3 years and now uses recreationaly.. the other uses very rarely and manages to keep withdrawals at bay.. as it happens I just remembered another associate of mine who kicked a habit (not a massive one to be fair) and she also just uses once a month.
 
K88ABY said:
I've got 2 friends who had addictions, both to heroin a good few years ago.. .they don't know each other and live miles apart.. one was injecting for almost 3 years and now uses recreationaly.. the other uses very rarely and manages to keep withdrawals at bay.. as it happens I just remembered another associate of mine who kicked a habit (not a massive one to be fair) and she also just uses once a month.
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Just out of curiosity, how do you know that a) they are being 100% honest with you? b) they are actually not mentally addicted even though they may not be physically dependent? and c) that they will be able to continue on this way without using more and more often?
 
^ Took the words right out of my mouth.

This is why people should never rely on the anectodal experiences of others, and try to look at objective statistics representative of their populations. The objective statistic that's representative of the Bluelighter population has presented itself: the chances to keep your use to chipping after being addicted is extremely slim that it is pretty much impossible to do so, especially if your life isn't absolutely perfect now compared to when you first started using.
 
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