Marijuana Mental Health

[Artificial Emotion]

^ mate I was taking the piss out of the media for posting a ridiculous scaremongering story if you hadn't noticed 8) Funny how you pick up on that but not any of the actual research in favor of my stance that I posted above.

 

[Hoes call me santa]

Very interesting reading from those studies, AE. Thank you for sharing them... Sucks how a lot of people thinks cannabis is a cause for SZ while it is totally debunked by unbiased researchers I guess.

 

[Artificial Emotion]

No problem. I think you get to a point where the evidence tips the balance so far that you can say to the prohibitionists that claim cannabis is a major factor in causing schizophrenia with confidence that they're just fucking wrong

 

[1394]

^ mate I was taking the piss out of the media for posting a ridiculous scaremongering story if you hadn't noticed 8) Funny how you pick up on that but not any of the actual research in favor of my stance that I posted above.

I'm just so biased aren't I, or too stoned to skim through everything.

 

[Prelude2TragedyII]

AE FTW!!!!!....What's new..

lol

AEYou're awesome!


I have to say Im surprised that people are thinking alcohol is less dangerous than weed, or from what I read on the first page.
I'm just going to guess, that most people don't have panic attacks while taking benzos (though I've known very few that have),
The same reason you most likely won't have a panic attack while drinking alcohol.

I do believe that both have their negative effects, but I find after smoking for a very long time, and stopping, I just get irritable for a day or two.
If I drink for months, and stop at once, I'm going to go through withdrawal. I also think that alcohol would have more play with chemical reactions in your brain.
I may very well be wrong though.

All interesting to think about.

 

[Cousteau]

I was smoking for years. the only problem that I had (not to mention couple of overdoses, which felt really shitty) is slight decline in short-term memory and little bit lack of motivation, but it all goes away after couple of weeks weed-free, I do not do any other drugs, and I do not drink alcohol

 

[yteek]

AE FTW!!!!!....What's new..

lol

AEYou're awesome!


I have to say Im surprised that people are thinking alcohol is less dangerous than weed, or from what I read on the first page.
I'm just going to guess, that most people don't have panic attacks while taking benzos (though I've known very few that have),
The same reason you most likely won't have a panic attack while drinking alcohol.

I do believe that both have their negative effects, but I find after smoking for a very long time, and stopping, I just get irritable for a day or two.
If I drink for months, and stop at once, I'm going to go through withdrawal. I also think that alcohol would have more play with chemical reactions in your brain.
I may very well be wrong though.

All interesting to think about.

Nobody said alcohol was safer, I know for a fact its been more enjoyable and reeked less havoc on my mental health. One little drink every once in awhile in comparison to a hit of weed...is a lot more pleasant and no anxiety inducing panic. Also smoking anything really isn't good and in comparison but in moderation...smoking weed and having a drink are up to par with each other.

Also skimming over a few pro marijuana sites sharing the same opinion of yours, really doesn't prove anything. There is really no proof, I think proving it really isn't as important as observing the obvious issue and the link between marijuana and its negative impact of individuals mental health....not saying there isn't a positive side to it but I think its important to analyze both angles in a unbiased fashion.

Its rather obvious and it shows in this thread that the fans of marijuana and the current smokers are going to have a rather biased viewpoint...thats just how it seems.

It wasn't my intention as I said before for this to be about proving one side wrong or right and debating and defending marijuana to the point its strays away from the thread was originally about...it gets to a point where its ridiculous. We all know where it will go with people getting defensive over their precious marijuana and feeling the need to defend any possible negatives surrounding the plant....like anything else marijuana can have its own side effects, like it or not.

The thread is about how marijuana effects YOUR mental health and not trying to prove people wrong and argue constantly about your unconditional love of marijuana....refer to the original post if you have questions as to what the concept of this thread is.

All the going back and forth with point proving, is going no where....there isn't enough substantial evidence to prove either side right or wrong at the moment.

Not speaking to anyone specific...

 

[Artificial Emotion]

^ the problem is you don't care about the facts.

 

[treezy z]

Thinking marijuana if anything is better then alcohol for one's mental health, not so true....weed fucks with my anxiety and other peoples more then alcohol would ever.

if you've seen old alcoholics they're fucking mentally retarded, i'd rather be paranoid than have a wet brain.

 

[justsayknow]

I think the idea of "facts" can be a bit subjective. Researchers on both sides of the debate come up with various pieces of data showing an association with this and an increased risk of that or vice versa.

It's interesting to hear peoples personal experiences with the issue whether it be that cannabis alleviates certain symptoms for them or that they feel it has a negative impact. I think this was what the original post was asking.

Even if no one has proved that cannabis causes any new cases of mental illness this is very different from saying it doesnt effect some peoples mental health. In the sense of day to day mood, energy levels and cognitive functioning.

One thing that I find interesting is how much the perception of the effects of cannabis interacts with the users experience. It would be interesting to see differences between people or even cultures that see cannabis as normal and harmless and those that fear it is harmful. I know for one that for a long time my attitude to it was that it was a bad thing so as such my experience would be negative- then I figured out that it was the way that I was using it that was the bad thing rather than the plant itself. It is not a drug for all occaisions and if you are in the wrong setting or the wrong mind set it can be very unpleasant indeed.

 

[Artificial Emotion]

I think the idea of "facts" can be a bit subjective. Researchers on both sides of the debate come up with various pieces of data showing an association with this and an increased risk of that or vice versa.

But that's my point, if we can't have a dialogue then there's no point in having the discussion. I think it's pretty ridiculous to present the research and data only to be called 'biased'. I've taken great care to present my point of view backed up by the research but apparently that's not good enough.

Tell me, if we're going to have a two sided debate, where is the data to back up your position yteek? You've done a pretty poor job so far.

 

[Artificial Emotion]

Its rather obvious and it shows in this thread that the fans of marijuana and the current smokers are going to have a rather biased viewpoint...thats just how it seems.

Rubbish, I've presented plenty of research to back my position such as the studies by Keele university that show rates of schizophrenia are declining where cannabis rates are increasing. I've presented meta-analysis of all the available research that concludes there's no causal evidence of a relationship between cannabis use and schizophrenia and yet more research, yet in response to that you just use terms like 'biased'? How ironic. Why don't you present some research to back up your side of the debate instead of constantly complaining about bias and slanted discussion? I think I know the reason why.

The thread is about how marijuana effects YOUR mental health and not trying to prove people wrong and argue constantly about your unconditional love of marijuana....refer to the original post if you have questions as to what the concept of this thread is.

Of course, that's your default fall back position when you don't want to have a debate. As was said earlier in the thread, your thread would have fallen into obscurity very quickly without the debate (well I call it that but you seem to have difficulty in that area). You know what they say about cooks not being able to stand the heat in the kitchen...

 

[yteek]

Rubbish, I've presented plenty of research to back my position such as the studies by Keele university that show rates of schizophrenia are declining where cannabis rates are increasing. I've presented meta-analysis of all the available research that concludes there's no causal evidence of a relationship between cannabis use and schizophrenia and yet more research, yet in response to that you just use terms like 'biased'? How ironic. Why don't you present some research to back up your side of the debate instead of constantly complaining about bias and slanted discussion? I think I know the reason why.

AE- You are aware there is conflicting research? Like I said before if it could be proven, it would of been proven long ago and you know what there isn't enough evidence to prove either side right or wrong...continuing to bicker about is solving nothing but dragging a ongoing argument

Of course, that's your default fall back position when you don't want to have a debate. As was said earlier in the thread, your thread would have fallen into obscurity very quickly without the debate (well I call it that but you seem to have difficulty in that area). You know what they say about cooks not being able to stand the heat in the kitchen...

Look at the original post, I said it's to talk about how marijuana effects their mental health and you constantly want to argue...its not a debate...you've got the the concept of this thread mistaken...I can care less if the thread is popular or not, you've turned it into something far from productive but into a back and forth argument of conflicting opinions.

 

[Chee$e]

Look at the original post, I said it's to talk about how marijuana effects their mental health and you constantly want to argue...its not a debate...you've got the the concept of this thread mistaken...I can care less if the thread is popular or not, you've turned it into something far from productive but into a back and forth argument of conflicting opinions.

LOL, I agree. Artificial Emotion shows up on every thread and just wants to start fights even if you tell him he has good points but that you disagree with some of his theories. He will like stop at nothing to completely convince you. Its like his pet peeve is to prove that Marijuana is perfectly harmless and has harmed no one yet a simple google search such as "marijuana anxiety" or "marijuana derealization" will complete disprove all of his wasted paragraphs. He will just continue to tell you that random studies, posts on the internet, etc. mean nothing and prove nothing. It's like no matter what evidence you present to him, he just closes his ear and says BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, those posts, studies mean nothing.

Shit, I don't know how hard it is to to type in something on google, looking at the overwhelming results, and just completely ignore it. I just don't get how that works....

 

[Artificial Emotion]

lol sour grapes Cheese?

 

[Chee$e]

lol sour grapes Cheese?

Lol, I don't even know what that is dude.


You refuse to accept (as I have accepted) that not all people share the same cannabis related experiences as you. Even I have admitted that not everyone will go through the mental problems that me, yteek, and burnout have described.

Not everyone goes through the stuff we did, and maybe you are one of them. I may have went overboard with my 99% post, but even you have refused to address the one point I keep talking about:

the overwhelming out of internet posts on health boards, google posts, youtube comments, of people describing their experiences with Marijuana use and its lasting residual effects. All I am asking you is to address the overwhelming amount of threads when you type in "marijuana derealization" or "marijuana depresonalization" on google. That's all I want you to do dude, LMAO, just see what you have to see about ALL those people and posts.

That's it man.

 

[Chee$e]

Cannabis has been proven to have negative effects on mental health. Get over it. It is a well-accepted fact! Denial of negative side-effects from cannabis is psuedoscience, and should be stomped out.

+10

Good post, I am a smoker and a Cannabis card holder in Northern California and even I am aware of its negative effects.

Sheesh, even kids in high school know it has negative effects LMAO.

People think that Marijuana is some sort of herb that the government doesn't want you to smoke because it makes you think and makes you smarter lol. For every time I have heard a stoner tell me that lmao....when they fail to realize that the damn thing is just as much a drug as anything else...

The only reason I smoke it is to make boring nights seem funner, make TV shows seem funnier, food taste better.

I use it as an enhancer.

 

[yteek]

if you've seen old alcoholics they're fucking mentally retarded, i'd rather be paranoid than have a wet brain.

I'm not talking about becoming an alcoholic, an occasional drink.

For me, its a lot less of a burden to my mental health.

Not getting shit faced on the regular, drinking massive amounts...I think you didn't read my whole post mentioning moderation.

 

[yteek]

But that's my point, if we can't have a dialogue then there's no point in having the discussion. I think it's pretty ridiculous to present the research and data only to be called 'biased'. I've taken great care to present my point of view backed up by the research but apparently that's not good enough.

Tell me, if we're going to have a two sided debate, where is the data to back up your position yteek? You've done a pretty poor job so far.

Its not a debate, you obviously didn't read the original post regarding the concept of this thread. Its not meant to argue, its meant to talk about your personal experiences...not an ongoing back and forth argument that continues to go no where. If you want to go on about how it effects your mental health and not argue...feel free to do so, instead of coming off with your typical argumentative and hostile attitude. If you want, you should consider starting a pro-marijuana blog..that may be a good outlet for your frustrations.

We don't care about your research here( I'm aware of it, I've seen it from both side before...this isn't what this thread is intended for), wrong thread.
STOP TROLLING AE!

Please refer to the OP if you may be confused about the point of this thread

I think there needs to be a thread that goes further into marijuana and how it effects their mental health. I know theres a thread for anxiety but lets shine some light on depression, psychosis, bipolar, and other issues associated with it. If it improves your quality life and your mental health feel free to drop some input.

 

[Artificial Emotion]

Cheese and yteek I've tried to explain it over and over again but you just don't seem to get it. It's like speaking to a brick wall or a robot. You keep saying it's not the point of the thread but you're always willing to try and get in the last word. I seriously don't know why you two even post on a board like this, it's beyond me.

Trolling? Stop trying to bait me I don't have time for that rubbish. I've got better things to do thanks.