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Relative dose 2cb to shrooms

gymstud

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I understand this is not easy to answer but what dise of shrooms
Would you say was equivilant to 36mg of 2cb
I know
A)they are differnt drugs
B)differnt strains have differnt pottencies
C)everyone differnt

So if you do have answer it would be much apretiated
 
OP, you already mentioned why this is difficult to determine. Apparently you haven't done shrooms before, so you should start with a sensible dose. If you have dried cubensis, maybe 2 grams. Respect the shrooms, they can provide very powerful trips, and work your way up gradually until you find your sweet-spot.
 
That advice is terrible, a quarter is going to be invariably more intense than pretty much any 2c-b trip, no matter what. I would suggest 2.5g at most.
 
Even if ya don't like there's only one thing we can say.

2c-b and shrooms are not at all comparable. PEAs and trypts can't be said to have equivalency since they pretend to produce different sorts of highs. For example I find a rather serious 2C like 2c-e very friendly (and your 2c-b is famously friendly), and know I'm gonna have a good time or at worst a 'meh' experience no matter where on the dosage curve I go. On the other hand I have to treat tryptamines at any dosage level with great respect since they'll bite me in the ass at the slightest provocation.

The best advice we can for trying new substances, especially ones of a different class, is to start low and work your way up.
 
I have to treat tryptamines at any dosage level with great respect since they'll bite me in the ass at the slightest provocation.
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So true for me also. Sometimes it's almost like shrooms open a can of whoop ass on you if you go in excepting something nice and fun just to teach you a lesson. Particularly psilocybe subaeruginosa.
 
Never Knows Best said:
2c-b and shrooms are not at all comparable. PEAs and trypts can't be said to have equivalency since they pretend to produce different sorts of highs.
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Of course they're comparable. They are both serotonergic psychedelics, which produce typical classic psychedelia. It would be difficult to compare 2C-B to Salvia, sure, but 2C-B to shrooms (or psilocin) is a completely valid comparison if you are looking for relative intensities at particular doses.

@gymstud, I can't provide you with exact doses, since my 2C-B came in pill form. However, I can tell you that you can indeed judge relative intensities from phenethylamines to tryptamines (and lysergamides), and given the Erowid dose chart for 2C-B, you would be looking at a strong shroom dose to match a 36mg 2C-B trip.

Having said that, I would advise you to start with a reasonable shroom dose. As you know, every compound is experientially different, so you will want to get to know the compound in a friendly way before going balls deep. 20 wet grams (equivalent to 2 dry grams) of psilocybe cubensis is an intense experience for me, so I would recommend starting off at that dose. I may be slightly sensitive, as others seem to recommend slightly higher, but that is my recommendation. You can always take more next time one you're familiar with how that dose affects you.

I hope you enjoy your trip is you do partake!
 
Survived Abortion said:
Of course they're comparable. They are both serotonergic psychedelics, which produce typical classic psychedelia.
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I'm gonna have to disagree with you here SA - I wouldn't deny that they are both serotonergic psychedelics that produce typical psychedelia, but I would deny that this is a sufficient criterion to provide relative dose conversions. 2c-b and mushrooms provide completely different mental alterations and trains of thought and significantly different "feelings" for most people. There is no way for me to really give a good dose conversion because I think that mushrooms are going to be generally more intense than 2c-b at just about all doses - they're just different beasts. I can take 2c-b up to 50mg and still be having fun, even if visuals are making it difficult to see straight - I can take 2g of good mushrooms and be getting little in the way of visuals and still be getting a comeup induced panic attack. The trips are very qualitatively different dose-independently.
 
I understand. All the factors involved are not going to be the same from compound to compound due to their varied effects profile, so it depends on what aspect your comparing. Are we talking head-fuck? Visuals? Body high?

Nevertheless, all aspects taken in to consideration, I personally feel that I can easily cross-compare substances from the alien hyperrealms of DPT to the leprechaun laughter of LSA, in terms of general "tripped-outness". This to me is what the Shulgin scale is for, and is why it applies to all these compounds. If I can reach a +++ on DPT at a specific dose, and a +++ on LSA at a specific number of seeds, then regardless of the differences in individual phenomenological components of the experience, I should be able to say "X number of milligrams of DPT will provide ~ as intense an experience as X number of morning glory seeds".

This comparison may also only properly apply to myself, in that the attempt to give a roughly equipotent dosage guideline to someone for two different compounds may result in a significantly different experiential level of intensity, due to personal sensitivities and such. If this is what you mean, then I see where you are coming from. But I wouldn't let it stop me giving a rough guideline to someone, so that they know for example that 30mg of 2C-T-2 is going to be way more intense than a 75ug hit of LSD, under almost any circumstance.

(Disclaimer: I don't really believe in leprechauns.)
 
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Survived Abortion said:
This comparison may also only properly apply to myself, in that the attempt to give a roughly equipotent dosage guideline to someone for two different compounds may result in a significantly different experiential level of intensity, due to personal sensitivities and such. If this is what you mean, then I see where you are coming from. But I wouldn't let it stop me giving a rough guideline to someone, so that they know for example that 30mg of 2C-T-2 is going to be way more intense than a 75ug hit of LSD, under almost any circumstance.

(Disclaimer: I don't really believe in leprechauns.)
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I mostly agree with you here. I guess I don't really have a problem giving general comparisons of the type you mentioned (25mg of 2c-t-2 being invariably more intense than 75ug of LSD) but I do have a very difficult time trying to pinpoint specific intensity-equalities like saying "X amount of Drug A is equivalent in intensity to Y amount of Drug B" because that specific intensity is going to be nuanced depending on the drug. Dose range intensity-equalities make sense to me though.
 
@SA - If by "intensity" we are only talking about levels on the shulgin scale, yeah you're right we could give a ballpark range to somebody (obviously this will vary by species of shroom and batch content, but whatevs). My point was mainly that just 'cause you can handle a +++ fine on one substance doesn't mean you can on another, even if it's another Psychedelic. If he were comparing only 2Cs or PEAs to each other, I'd be a lot more comfortable with the question of dose equivalency.
 
Survived Abortion said:
Of course they're comparable. They are both serotonergic psychedelics, which produce typical classic psychedelia. It would be difficult to compare 2C-B to Salvia, sure, but 2C-B to shrooms (or psilocin) is a completely valid comparison if you are looking for relative intensities at particular doses.

@gymstud, I can't provide you with exact doses, since my 2C-B came in pill form. However, I can tell you that you can indeed judge relative intensities from phenethylamines to tryptamines (and lysergamides), and given the Erowid dose chart for 2C-B, you would be looking at a strong shroom dose to match a 36mg 2C-B trip.

Having said that, I would advise you to start with a reasonable shroom dose. As you know, every compound is experientially different, so you will want to get to know the compound in a friendly way before going balls deep. 20 wet grams (equivalent to 2 dry grams) of psilocybe cubensis is an intense experience for me, so I would recommend starting off at that dose. I may be slightly sensitive, as others seem to recommend slightly higher, but that is my recommendation. You can always take more next time one you're familiar with how that dose affects you.

I hope you enjoy your trip is you do partake!
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Man you really can't compare them, it's like comparing heroin and cocaine, completely different drugs.
 
BruceLeeSwag said:
Man you really can't compare them, it's like comparing heroin and cocaine, completely different drugs.
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Funny you should day that cos back in the day I used to say half a point of smack was equal to about 2pills (extacy)
 
IamMe90 said:
I mostly agree with you here. I guess I don't really have a problem giving general comparisons of the type you mentioned (25mg of 2c-t-2 being invariably more intense than 75ug of LSD) but I do have a very difficult time trying to pinpoint specific intensity-equalities like saying "X amount of Drug A is equivalent in intensity to Y amount of Drug B" because that specific intensity is going to be nuanced depending on the drug. Dose range intensity-equalities make sense to me though.
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True, I should have put "~" markers before the "X"s to denote ballpark dosages. I didn't mean to be precise down to the exact milligram, just as you said: dose-range intensity equalities.

Never Knows Best said:
@SA - If by "intensity" we are only talking about levels on the shulgin scale, yeah you're right we could give a ballpark range to somebody (obviously this will vary by species of shroom and batch content, but whatevs). My point was mainly that just 'cause you can handle a +++ fine on one substance doesn't mean you can on another, even if it's another Psychedelic. If he were comparing only 2Cs or PEAs to each other, I'd be a lot more comfortable with the question of dose equivalency.
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Yes, I agree. Just because you can "handle" a +++ on one compound does not necessarily mean you can "handle" a +++ on another. However, I'm assuming we're talking passively about the raw intensity of effects, rather than the psychological repercussions of those effects, which may affect individuals differently based on very personal variables such as mental stamina or psychological sensitivities. I would like to automatically assume by default that people can indeed "handle" the substance for which I am recommending a doseage guideline, without presupposing anything.

If this wasn't the case (in that we allowed our judgement of potential bad outcomes to rule) then none of us would ever make dosage recommendations about anything, and there would be no Erowid dose charts or Big and Dandy dose discussions, since idiosyncratic sensitivities can happen from person to person regarding the same substance, never mind cross-referencing to other substances.
 
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