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RCs Measuring question w/ out scale

laCster

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ok so i just ordered 30mgs of etizolam which i thought was going to be 30x 1mg etizolam pills, however, it turns out that the etizolam is coming in powdered form. i don't own a scale so i rreally have no way of measuring my doses out. does anyone have any suggestions? should i just eyeball each doses? i was thinking that i could split the powder into 30 different little piles which would make each pile roughly 1mg right???

any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!


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lacster
 
A scale capable of measuring single milligram doses is going to be prohibitively expensive. Use liquid dosing, lacster. Etiz probably isn't water soluble, but I reckon it'd go in to propylene glycol, maybe even ethanol. I don't know what would be a good solvent, though, and don't really care to give advice where I'm not qualified, hopefully someone who's in the know will chip in.
 
for a start, never use their estimations of whats in the bag to measure your hit. They say 30 mg, its just as likely to be 20 or 40. You wouldnt be able to tell by eye.

30 mg is almost nothing, its an impossible dose to eyeball. And Im not saying that purely for the reason of harm reduction, it really is impossible. I have eye balled a single dose of a substance of 40-50 mg and that is just on the edge of what id consider safe if your absolteuyl desperate and have no access to scales, and that is after learning exactly what a 40 mg pile of THAT EXACT SUBSTANCE looks like.

You might be able to dissolve it in something and dose that way, but I have no idea what etizolam is soluble in.

Benzo over doses are really, really, really not fun. So Id invest in a scales. Sorry if this is irresponsible, but failing that I saw on another forum a method of measuring MG amounts of powdered substances. You dip the head of a needle in water about 1-2 mm up, then put it in a bag of your substance of choice. Supposidly what was left on the needle was about 2-4 mg of another substance entirely, etizolam power will be different. If you must go without scales, start by taking 2-3 grains, yes grains sublingually, and increase it by 2 grains until you just feel that benzo buzz. And work from there, and ALWAYS air on the side of caution. A benzo overdose isnt going to kill you (30 mg anyway) but damn its gona ruin the next few days.

Please by a set of mg scales, they really are pretty cheap now.
 
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A benzo overdose isnt going to kill you
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Assuming that someone is completely healthy and does not take any other drugs or alcohol it usually won't, but it can and does kill people when taken with another drug or if they have a health problem (even some minor ones).

Aside from buying an expensive scale that can actually accurately weigh milligrams and under, which it sounds like the OP is unable to do, I like The Dope Man's suggestion of dissolving it in propylene glycol and measuring the liquid. I would even use a greater amount of PG, like double the amount so that 2ml=1mg of etizolam, or triple it and use 90ml of PG so that 3mg=1mg. 1ml is still pretty hard to measure accurately so the greater the volume of PG the easier it will be to measure out doses that are approximately equivalent to 1mg. Just don't forget what the ratio you used was :-)
 
Vader, you can get excellent mg scales for very cheap such as this one -> here. You can find them even cheaper on ebay. I have used this one personally for a while and know people who have used them for years. They hold up very well if you take care of them.
 
Just get a cheap mg scale. You can get one for about $25. It wont be the most accurate but you won't die either. Milligram scales should be bought before even purchasing your first RC
 
where would i even find propylene glycol? would rite aid or cvs work? and is it expensive?
 
I'm not disputing that you can get good mg scales cheap, but they're not all that great if you want to measure doses of one or two mg. I have a gempro, and it's great for 2cs, MXE etc, but for anything with an active dose less than 10 mg, I'd use liquid measurement as well. If you're trying to measure out a 1 mg dose on a .001 scale, you could end up with anything from 0.5 mg to 1.5 mg, which is a significant uncertainty. I'd measure the whole lot, then dilute it and liquid dose. Good to see you posting Cane, it's been a while.
 
laCster said:
where would i even find propylene glycol? would rite aid or cvs work? and is it expensive?
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Yes, they should have it at major drug stores and no it's not expensive.

ETA: Make sure you get the food grade kind though (and not one from the automotive department or something). If you need to ask a pharmacist you could make up an excuse as to why you need it, for example that you are using it in an e-cigarette or that you are making your own moisturizer or massage "oil" or something.
 
and so ill dump the powder into 35mls of proylene glycol, get a 1cc syrine and measure out the dose where 1ml is about 1mg..that sound right??
 
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anyone have any other options? as most pharmacies dont keep it on stock but have to order it. i dont have a car so there is only 1 pharmacy withn walking distance.
i might just try start out reallly small like just 1 little spec....i dont have a scale and i dont think ill have propylene glycol in time for me to take the etizolam tomorrw. will the etizolam disolve in any other substances? watter?

does anyone have any ways to measure the etizolam without a scale or propylene glycol. as of now, im just going to eyeball it :(

however i might be in luck and the etizolam might come in a solution already. idk because it said on the page of etizolam that it came in a solution, but then on home page i scrolled down to see a post that was posted a couple days before i ordered that etizolam will no longer come in solutions
 
You could theoretically use ethanol, and dilute to the appropriate point before use. It is soluble in ethanol, so you could measure doses this way, but you want HIGH proof alcohol. Probably just as easy to get a scale, bro, but I'd use a solvent if unable to obtain such a device. Make your own solution. As for what is left after dissolving and filtering, you could wash it through a second time and test an extremely low dose to see if you've gotten most of it out; but if you crushed it and soaked/stirred/shook it over 24-48 hours, you'd probably get most of the drug.

If you aren't worried about dissolving other binders/fillers, then I'd go with 10ml of ethanol to 1mg of the drug, although that's probably extreme overkill. 1cc or less should dissolve 1mg, I'd think, depending on quantity of impurities. After dissolving the etizolam, you could also carefully evapourate the alcohol to achieve lower volumes if you do it all at once.
 
Then you're pretty fucked, bro. :P Sorry...

The best I can think of is use some small container-like device, like a pencil's eraser cap, and eyeball from the full mass a single dose, preferably less, to test. Then you can use this amount and estimate dose repeatedly, but very inaccurately and dangerously. Also, you've got to make sure the powder is quite pure throughout, and not distributed unevenly.

I doubt, unfortunately, that a lone wizard of these arts will appear and offer you a way to accurately measure mass without a scale or a solvent or another means of assessing total volume. Good luck.

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You MIGHT try dissolving it in lightly heated cooking oil for a long time. This would not be suitable for IV use, but you could still measure dose through solvent volume and total drug mass. It would work for anything other than injection, I think. I imagine it's not as fast as ethanol, and might take a longer period with some coaxing through agitation and heat to speed it up.

You could also, though more risky, simply put the powder into a graduated cylinder of some kind and measure out thirty equally tightly packed in doses, very carefully. It'd need to be pretty small, though bigger than a 1cc, definitely. You could actually even just try a large syringe. Pack the powder in tightly, and find out how much, for instance, 5-10 units is, then repeatedly measure out that volume of packed drug until you find total maximum doses and then just do the math to find out how much is in each bit.
 
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I would try glycerine, that should definitely be available at a drug store.


ETA: But TBH if you have no other convenient option eyeballing it should be ok if you don't need an extremely precise dose because 2mg is a recommended dose when used as prescribed for insomnia so it shouldn't be too dangerous is long as you aren't accidentally taking like 10mg in one gulp or something. If you divide it into 30 or just take a grain or two to start with I think it should be ok. The main risk comes from taking much more than you intend. However etizolam is very potent and people taking it for anxiety attacks will usually just take .5mg (1mg of etizolam is approximately equivalent to 10mg diazepam) so be careful - it's always better to take too little than not enough.
 
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^agreed, i am going to start out very very very small, and work my way up...


thanks for the responses guys :)
 
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