Heroin Oxycodone user -- Trying heroin once before MMT

[OxycoDrone]

Hey there,

As some of you know from TDS, I'm an Oxycodone addict who is going on MMT in the next few weeks (May 28th) however my friend is sending my some afghan heroin (~150mg at ~75% purity) this coming week and I'm wondering if there's anything specific I should know. My partner is worried about me, seeing as I'm so close to being done with this curse, so I thought I'd try and make her feel better by being as informed as possible. That being said, I'm a reasonably intelligent user and never put myself in intentional danger or do anything silly like mix my doses with other CNS depressants like benzos.

My tolerance is fairly decent, though lower lately than usual as I'm trying to bring it down in prep for my MMT, but today I IV'd 80mg of OxyContin and felt little-to-nothing. No nod, only a vaguely nice feeling from instant onset, and feel no high now (~2 hours later) and only start to feel really nice and "opiated" after 140mg+

I obviously know the basics such as doing a test shot, and will be buying a couple of micron filters for the occasion. I've done homebake heroin, in that I've cooked up MST with acetic anhydride and IV'd that but it mostly just felt like stronger morphine. I've never done a heroin powder as it's very rare where I live and my friend is getting this from overseas. I'm mostly wondering if there's anything particular I should be wary of, and am mostly making this for my partners peace of mind. I'm 95% sure that it'll go off without any incident but just so she doesn't worry I was considering preparing an IM solution of Naltrexone (all I have access to in terms of an opioid antagonist) but not sure this would be effective in the 1/1000 chance that I overdose. (Only have once before, in a suicide attempt, after shooting >500mg of Oxy at once and I came out of it a few hours later feeling sick but otherwise unharmed)

Thanks guys, it's always nice to have a collection of people who I know have my best interests at heart.

 

[OxycoDrone]

Oh, just to check, which size micron filter should I use? I was thinking the finest/smallest one, but I really don't want to lose anything. I am open to the idea of not using one, would this be an awful idea?

 

[i against i]

not an awful idea, just use a cotton, i don't know what size micron. tbh i would say there is very little chance of you OD'ing even if you shot the whole point and a half at once, with your tolerance.

your partner should probably be more worried about shooting pills.

 

[OxycoDrone]

Yeah, well, I know this but she just worries about things she's not experienced with. She's tried oxy and methadone but point blank refuses to touch heroin.

I am quite worried about talcosis from all the oxy that I've IV'd but the damage is done now -- methadone is only 15 days away and then I can start rebuilding my life and especially my health.

 

[i against i]

best of luck but i shouldn't worry too much about this. unless of course you like it more than you want to quit.

 

[OxycoDrone]

best of luck but i shouldn't worry too much about this. unless of course you like it more than you want to quit.

Very unlikely. As much as I truly love opiates, my life and health are more important. It's taken a long time for that to be the case, but it finally is.

Plus I can't get this kind of heroin in my area, not a chance, so the temptation isn't really there like it is for oxy.

Thanks for helping, means a lot.

 

[i against i]

no worries, hope you enjoy. deffo use at least a cotton tho, wet the cotton before throwing it in as it apparently means it absorbs less but the amount is probably so trivial. also guessing this is #3 like in the UK so you'll need some citric acid or vit c (citric always worked better for me), don't know if you can get it there, but here it comes in little sterile packs from the exchange.

 

[Znegative]

What you should know is that heroin is approximately 2.5x stronger than morphine when injected. IV morphine is about 2x stronger than oral oxycodone (which has an approximate 80% BA, so it's not far off from IV). I would get a scale, and not start off with more than 40mg, as you don't know the purity and you can always work your way up.

 

[pbuilder]

Please OP, I beg you to not even try heroin. What happens when you like it to much and say FUCK MMT.

 

[i against i]

^^good say, now i feel stupid. i've never done oxy, i just assumed it was pretty similar and 140mg tolerance sounds pretty high, da,da,da.

 

[Znegative]

Please OP, I beg you to not even try heroin. What happens when you like it to much and say FUCK MMT.

I was thinking this too. Good IV heroin is way more psychologically addictive than oxycodone IMO, due to the rush. It does seem like a step in the wrong direction if youre planning on getting on MMT and putting down the needle.

 

[Tommyboy]

If its actually afghan heroin then you will need something like citric acid to allow it to dissolve. Also, make sure your partner knows about how to treat opiate overdose. We have a thread on it in the global hr forum.

How do you know the purity? I would never just take someone's word for that, so I always start small and work my way up.

I against I, I wouldn't be telling anybody to just use a cotton filter and that they should be fine doing all the dope at once. That's not HR, and the OP really needs to use a small amount to gauge the strength.

 

[cLoud*]

I can appreciate that you guys are focusing on the HR aspect of him trying IV heroin. But I'm pretty sure there's nothing anybody could say to him, to make him change his mind. I mean, he's already an IV user, now he's just switching opiates. While Z, I do agree completely with you, that he's taking the wrong steps... He's going to do it regardless.


....& it also depends on how tight the leash is, that his girl has on him. (no offense, op.) I mean, if he's actually on here, getting HR advice on how to IV heroin, it seems like she's got a solid grip. So I don't think we really have to worry about him going down the "strung-out-heroin-addict" route. Especially since in his original post, he said it's super hard to get dope there. So if anything, he's going to keep shooting oxycodone & be disappointed.

Either way, OP... I really, really hope you follow through with going on MMT. Good luck, bro..

 

[OxycoDrone]

Like I said in the OP, I'm quite aware of doing a "test dose" to make sure it's not far stronger than I thought. And I'm not certain on the purity, but the friend up north who gets it is someone I trust a lot (Been doing opiates with him since we started together in 2008) but obviously I won't blindly take his word and bang it all straight away.

As for getting hooked, there's simply no access to anything like this where I live, and it'd be uneconomical to buy it from overseas every time I wanted a hit. Plus it's far more expensive than oxy here, and I can't even afford my oxy habit.

As for MMT, it's done, it's in the bag and I start on the 28th. After having wanted to go on for over a year, I don't think that I'll be changing my mind just because a rush is nice -- especially when I can't get heroin here, and believe me, I've tried.

I do appreciate the concern though, feels really good to have people care about my safety. I'll take all this into consideration but at this point (assuming it arrives and all that) then I will be doing it, and IV. Nothing is going to change that, so I'm asking how to do it as safe as possible. I'm interested in this citric acid bit though, what's the deal with that, can someone explain it to me? And has anyone got any more info on micron filters or will a cotton suffice?

 

[OxycoDrone]

I can appreciate that you guys are focusing on the HR aspect of him trying IV heroin. But I'm pretty sure there's nothing anybody could say to him, to make him change his mind. I mean, he's already an IV user, now he's just switching opiates. While Z, I do agree completely with you, that he's taking the wrong steps... He's going to do it regardless.


....& it also depends on how tight the leash is, that his girl has on him. (no offense, op.) I mean, if he's actually on here, getting HR advice on how to IV heroin, it seems like she's got a solid grip. So I don't think we really have to worry about him going down the "strung-out-heroin-addict" route. Especially since in his original post, he said it's super hard to get dope there. So if anything, he's going to keep shooting oxycodone & be disappointed.

Either way, OP... I really, really hope you follow through with going on MMT. Good luck, bro..

Thanks Cloud, I just posted pretty much the same thing. I'm going to do it. I won't be letting it fuck up my MMT, the date is set and I couldn't be happier about getting my life back. No one hit will change that. I've seen your posts around quite a bit lately, and you seem like a really decent bloke. Hope you're well, and all that. Friend req me if you like, I really like making friends on here -- it's awesome to have somewhere that I can post my most horrible secrets that my best friends don't even know and no one bats an eyelid. Makes me feel a lot better about myself and nice to feel that some people, somewhere, actually care.

 

[Znegative]

To Add to what Tommyboy said, I would not jump straight to the needle either. There is no way of knowing if the substance you're getting is actually heroin, especially if smack is rare in your area. There is always a chance that it's another opiate alltogether, and the last thing you want to do is shoot something that could be cut with fentanyl (or some other super potent opioid).

Citric acid would be needed if the heroin is in base form to turn it back into salt, as it would not be water soluble otherwise (just like crack)

 

[cLoud*]

Thanks, Oxy.

Are you %100 positive that your dope is going to be coming fom Afgahn? Because like everybody else has mentioned, you're gonna have to break it down. I've heard of people using those "1000MG Vita-c" packets to do it, but don't quote me on that. Cause when it comes to breaking that shit down, I have no clue. Just make sure you start small, especially if it's some fire. Just be careful, mang.

& yo, no disrespect to Z & Tommy, but don't you run that risk any where you cop dope?

 

[OxycoDrone]

Not 100% on the afghan part, but apparently it's in powder form if that helps. My friend who has had this same stuff (and sold it to the guy who is sending it to me) didn't need to use anything special to prepare it so maybe it's not.

Also, same friend has been clean for ~a year and he had 200mg spaced out through a day and got excellent nods and euphoria and said it was just like the heroin he used to score occasionally .. and at the time he used he had a much lower tolerance than me so I think I'll be okay in terms of it being cut with fent, but like I said earlier I'll be trying a test dose first with someone looking after me.

And yeah, smack is rare in my area but this doesn't come from anywhere around here and I trust this friend absolutely, he'd never bullshit me when it came to opiates. As for not jumping straight to the needle, I can't think of any other ROA I'd enjoy .. I'll just shoot less to start off with. This is really just so I can have some backup information incase I'm missing something important -- I'm almost certain it'll go off without a hitch.

Thanks for the concern though

 

[cLoud*]

Drone, I need to hai5 you. ^5.

 

[i against i]

I against I, I wouldn't be telling anybody to just use a cotton filter and that they should be fine doing all the dope at once. That's not HR, and the OP really needs to use a small amount to gauge the strength.

i know i was going on the reducing partners anxiety, a lot of heroin addicts just use a cotton, and a lot of them could shoot that amount and be fine.

nobody said what size micron anyway.