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What are long acting benzos?

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I got my GP to prescribe me xanax to get off phenibut because I thought it was a intermediate acting benzo but according to the wiki page, it only lasts 2-6 hours. In my case it lasts 8 hours but I'm just wondering what are some long acting benzos and how long do their effects last. I hear from people saying that clonazepam only lasts 6 hours so I don't see how thats any longer acting than alprazolam. I see that diazepam not only has a very long half life, but it has an active metabolite with an equally long half life. How long does diazepam last?
 
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Xanax for phenibut WD? Wow...

A few much better options would have been Diazepam, Clonazepam (I think when you read clonazepam lasting 6 hours, they are referring to anxiolysis because it will still be there in your bloodstream for many many hours even if you can't feel it.

Diazepam lasts up to 100 hours in some patients with active metabolites lasting much longer like 200mg, so when you dose daily it builds up in a way like methadone.

Call your doctor, switch to Diazepam. Alprazolam seems like a terrible choice.
 
Some have said well into the 30-100 hour mark...

But I have generally redosed long before that..to be safe. ;)

Really...clonazepam also does have a long half life...it just affects
many of us differently...

There are people on this board who keep this information readily available for just such a question..
But, I'm a google girl..

Hang on...smarter ppl are bound to arise shortly. :)

~token

edit: dammit tricomb...gotta be smarter and quicker than me........
 
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Prescribed Clonazepam, it works very well. However, like another person has said, the anxiolysis starts dissapating around the 7th hour and thats usually when you are prescribed to take another. However, the drug will eventually build up in your bloodstream (Clonazepam) and level out..and from what I understand for every dose it takes approximately 4.5 half life's for it to be fully excreted from the body on average. So if you take Clonazepam for 3 days, 6 different doses, and the HL is 33,

Half Life: 33x6 = 198hrs
Anxiolysis: 6x6 = 36hrs

So in reality in a 3 day dose, it will last in your system for at least ~10 days.

EDIT: For Pheni-tapering, I think Clonazepam would be much better than Alprazolam...
 
How much phenibut were you taking? You might not want to replace a GABA-B habit with a GABA-A one. Even if you were to use a GABA-A drug (benzo) to taper off Phenibut, it would not exactly efficient, and you would have to take a lot of benzos.

I know GHB is a lot more potent than Phenibut as a GABA-B drug, but I remember reading on Erowid about some guy who got his doctor to give him Diazepam to taper off, and 70-100mg didn't even touch his GHB withdrawals. The two are not exactly fully cross tolerant...

You might just want to use Phenibut to taper if you have the self control, it will be a lot more efficient.

And token, why do you have to put yourself down so often? Keep your chin up ;) You're a lot smarter than you give yourself credit for.
 
tricomb said:
Checkout the halflife megathread.

Xanax for phenibut WD? Wow...

A few much better options would have been Diazepam, Clonazepam (I think when you read clonazepam lasting 6 hours, they are referring to anxiolysis because it will still be there in your bloodstream for many many hours even if you can't feel it.

Diazepam lasts up to 100 hours in some patients with active metabolites lasting much longer like 200mg, so when you dose daily it builds up in a way like methadone.

Call your doctor, switch to Diazepam. Alprazolam seems like a terrible choice.
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I shoulda made this thread before going to the doctor. She mightn't be at the doctors office today, if you ring your doctor up and tell them you need a script changed, will they write it for you without you having to pay for a doctors appointment? I'm broke at the moment so I owe them money from my last appointment. The whole half life thing confuses me. Phenibut supposedly has a half life of 6 hours yet I feel the effects for over 24 hours. I wonder if it has a lot of active metabolites or something.

ErgicMergic said:
How much phenibut were you taking? You might not want to replace a GABA-B habit with a GABA-A one. Even if you were to use a GABA-A drug (benzo) to taper off Phenibut, it would not exactly efficient, and you would have to take a lot of benzos.

I know GHB is a lot more potent than Phenibut as a GABA-B drug, but I remember reading on Erowid about some guy who got his doctor to give him Diazepam to taper off, and 70-100mg didn't even touch his GHB withdrawals. The two are not exactly fully cross tolerant...

You might just want to use Phenibut to taper if you have the self control, it will be a lot more efficient.

And token, why do you have to put yourself down so often? Keep your chin up ;) You're a lot smarter than you give yourself credit for.
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Well its a complicated matter because I got addicted to phenibut a couple of months ago, then used zopiclone for a week to counteract w/d symptoms, then ended up getting on phenibut again, then used alprazolam and lormetazepam to get of it, then got back on it again, then used a 3 week supply of xanax to get off it. Now I have been on phenibut for a week, I only took around 1.5g per day so I shouldn't really be addicted but I don't know about how all that previous GABAergic use will affect things. This time I am getting off it for good as college is pretty much finished for the year. I don't have enough self control to taper off phenibut because I feel like absolute crap on low doses for some reason. Benzos on the other hand, I can taper down off them much easier.

stillirie said:
Half Life: 33x6 = 198hrs
Anxiolysis: 6x6 = 36hrs

So in reality in a 3 day dose, it will last in your system for at least ~10 days.

EDIT: For Pheni-tapering, I think Clonazepam would be much better than Alprazolam...
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Ah shit, I really shoulda got clonazepam then. I've never tried it before so I assumed that if I had a paradoxical reaction to it, I'd be screwed but if I can just ring my doc up and get them to write a new script, without having to pay for an appointment, then that'd be fine. Clonazepam sounds perfect because I wouldn't have to constantly worry about the drug wearing off and having to redose. I'm trying to figure out what to say to the doctor now to get her to switch. I don't know how this works, will I have to give her the xanax I have left over or what? I could also go to a different doc, that way I'd get to keep the alprazolam just incase the clonazepam doesn't work.
 
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ErgicMergic said:
And token, why do you have to put yourself down so often? Keep your chin up ;) You're a lot smarter than you give yourself credit for.
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Why? well..i don't have to.
Ty..I'll continue working on that chin thing.

Smart ppl do not continually hurt themselves..
besides, I find credit both overused and overrated.

That said...sincerest..
TY <3
~token
 
Heres what I'm thinking: I go to my other doctor and tell him I'm addicted to phenibut and need a long acting benzo such as clonazepam or diazepam to safely quit. While I've known this guy since I was a kid, hes hard to talk to (I think hes mildly autistic) so I have no idea what to expect there. If that doesn't work then I ring up my other doc and explain the situation. Shes not very knowledgable about psychopharmacology, when I go in there and tell her my situation, she asks me what to do about it lol. Shes real cool so she would probably do it but I don't know how the whole system works and thus, whether they can legally write prescriptions when its not an official appointment. She told me they can't discuss medical things over email but they can over the phone so I suppose this shouldn't be a problem. Have any of you done this before?
 
Benzos can be legally phoned in by an md..one you've seen face to face, anyhow.
I had a smart ass self depricating reply in mind, but I refused...and went w/this^^^
instead

;)
 
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tokenname said:
Benzos can be legally phoned in by an md..one you've seen face to face, anyhow.
I had a smart ass self depricating reply in mind, but I refused...and went w/this^^^
instead

;)
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This is true, Whenever I need to change a med, all I do is email or call my doctor, and within an hour I'm at the pharmacy, I don't pay any money for the email or phone call, just the standard cost of the new prescription at the pharmacy.

It's very common, you do not need to go face-to-face for this.
 
tricomb said:
This is true, Whenever I need to change a med, all I do is email or call my doctor, and within an hour I'm at the pharmacy, I don't pay any money for the email or phone call, just the standard cost of the new prescription at the pharmacy.

It's very common, you do not need to go face-to-face for this.
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Needs tricomb's doctor.....

;)
 
The duration depends on the half-life and the threshold blood-concentration needed to feel effects, which is why diazepam's half life is longer than it's duration of action.
 
tricomb said:
He's the best, helped me through a time in my life where I otherwise would have killed myself most likely.
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<3


So.. contrary to popular opinion, there are a few decent ones out there...
Well, at least one!
This is good.

~token
 
I'm gonna get a new script today but I'm wondering if I should ask for diazepam or clonazepam. Which is longer acting and more potent?
 
My vote would be for diazepam..

and always will be...
but you've gotta find what works for you...
if it doesn't work well enough..let them know.

Good luck!
~token
 
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